Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

So they said they werent chads but then they turned out to be chads, gotcha.

Talking to Mink is like talking to the wall or a robot that repeats, "I'm a victim and will not take any responsibility." Although she says she's in her 60's, her writing comes off as a petulant teen.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

For instance, Jesus prayed that God would take "the bitter cup" from him. This is not referring to a literal cup filled with bitter contents.

I have to leave for an appointment soon. I did read your post. But I will read it closer later. I did notice a shift in your tone recently towards me. I do believe you care for me and you are trying to help me. But I’m also trying to help you.

What you said above “Jesus prayed that God would take “the bitter cup” from Him. How can you not at least consider that Numbers 5 speaks of the Woman drinking the bitter water, with the dirt from the tabernacle floor, that is put in “an earthen vessel” and if she be clean, she will bear fruit. That is why I said I saw Jesus Christ in it. his drinking of the cup of bitterness. The law of jealousies being if the woman has not strayed and trespassed the Lord …it begins with…if she has she will be called an adulterous Woman and “a curse among her people” this was spoken to Israel…
Numbers 5:6 Speak unto the children of Israel, ‘When a man or woman shall commit any sin that men commit, to do a trespass against the LORD, and that person be guilty;’
I see something beautiful in His drinking of the cup of bitterness. He told His disciples
Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, You know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

Numbers 5 helps with the law of Jealousies when a man or woman commits any sin against God. It shows also the Woman who drinks and overcomes being called no adulterous woman…by the body of Christ. Why would Jesus Christ reference drinking of the cup of bitterness, if there is nothing to it. he himself connected it to the law of Jealousies.

You said “This is not referring to a literal cup filled with bitter contents.” I get this but I don’t think it’s figurative but Spirit. Figurative language doesn’t have the keys to life and death. They gave Him Gall and bitterness to drink. (but He overcome it) he suffered a great contradiction of sinners. They were indeed bitter towards Him and were jealous of Him and His threat to their superiority as little lords and gods. For you there are many lords and gods, but we know there is One God, One Lord. They did laugh Him to scorn and shame. Yet He asked the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. That He beared this cup of bitterness and did drink of the shame set before Him, despising the shame but enduring it for the joy set before Him …that makes it more than figurative but active doing of drinking of the cup of bitterness of those who said they waited for the King and Lord of Israel, but instead they crucified Him.

Some even spiritualize Song of Songs.

They are Spirit. Otherwise they are highly sexual. Even the world understands the sexual side of Song of Songs…saying “dang the Bible has some sex in it” but what they can’t see it the Spiritual in Song of Songs that transcends sexual intimacy but intimacy with God.

 

[Wrangler]

There's plenty men get out of feminism. I don't think for a second they have no reasons to support it. It allows them to be lazy.

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The first sentence, sex without committment, is how feminism seduces men. When I was a young Chad, I thought feminism was great. Not sure what women got out of it, but I thought it was great for the purposes of low cost sex. A young man said young women today are whore's. He stays away from such feminist sexual predators. MGTOW.

 

[Wynona]

The first sentence, sex without committment, is how feminism seduces men. When I was a young Chad, I thought feminism was great. Not sure what women got out of it, but I thought it was great for the purposes of low cost sex. A young man said young women today are whore's. He stays away from such feminist sexual predators. MGTOW.

Growing up, thankfully I didn't entirely pick up on the real expectation my parents had:

Oh sex? If you need to get it out of your system, use birth control and be discreet. Just focus on getting that degree and avoid marriage till you build a career. Maybe late 20s early 30s.

People know that most men and women aren't realistically waiting till 30 to have sex. But because career and education have become idols, no one reinforces purity and marriage anymore.

 

[MA2444]

Talking to Mink is like talking to the wall or a robot that repeats, "I'm a victim and will not take any responsibility." Although she says she's in her 60's, her writing comes off as a petulant teen.

Oh man! I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday, lol.

 

[Wrangler]

I did notice a shift in your tone recently towards me. I do believe you care for me and you are trying to help me.

The shift is related to debating how evil evil feminism is to understanding God's word.

I get this but I don’t think it’s figurative but Spirit.

Why can't it be both? Ever see a Venn diagram?

How can you not at least consider that Numbers 5 speaks of the Woman drinking the bitter water, with the dirt from the tabernacle floor, that is put in “an earthen vessel” and if she be clean, she will bear fruit.

Not sure why you ask this question but it really is besides the point I made about inequality, i.e., no parallel verse for husbands.

Figurative language doesn’t have the keys to life and death.

Why does figurative language have to have the keys to life and death?

BTW, words do not have the keys to life and death. Perhaps you don't even realize you are using figurative language here. People hold keys, not words.

the Spiritual in Song of Songs that transcends sexual intimacy but intimacy with God.

Huh? God made sex. The Hindu's have a health relationship between sex and the divine. Many Christians still embrace a puritanical view. There is no "transcending" sexual intimacy for intimacy with God for sex is mean to glorify God, acting in obedience to the command to "be fruitful and multiply."

Satan perverts the good that God created to make it NOT glorify God, i.e., transcend this form of obedience to God in exchange for giving into list apart from glorifying God.

 

[Mink57]

Talking to Mink is like talking to the wall or a robot that repeats, "I'm a victim and will not take any responsibility." Although she says she's in her 60's, her writing comes off as a petulant teen.

Oh man! I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday, lol.

Funny... I was thinking the same thing about BOTH of you!

 

[Wrangler]

Talking to Mink is like talking to the wall or a robot that repeats, "I'm a victim and will not take any responsibility." Although she says she's in her 60's, her writing comes off as a petulant teen.

Funny... I was thinking the same thing about BOTH of you!

It’s not funny at all because reality: we aren’t victims and DO take responsibility. Not only is it not the same thing, it is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

This just goes to show the feminists idea of equality is totally perverted.

 

[Mink57]

It’s not funny at all because reality: we aren’t victims and DO take responsibility.

Oh, b.s. on THAT. You talk about things like how many men are in prisons...like it's WOMEN'S fault for men being there in the first place.
You talk about men dying sooner than women. My Goodness...didn't you as "superior" men GET THAT even BEFORE feminism took hold? So...why didn't YOU men do something about male mortality THEN?

Seems like your patriarchal system failed MEN as much as it did WOMEN. Your complaints are funny. You men created the system of Patriarchy, and yet so many of you complain about the "rules". Women had NOTHING to do with "the rules". For example, you complain about MEN having to be the one's who ask a woman to marry. WOMEN didn't set that 'system' up, yet NOW you're expecting women to solve YOUR problem?

Women may have enjoyed the idea of being ASKED to marry, but if MEN didn't like that idea of ALWAYS being the one to ask, how come men didn't protest SOONER? Talk about responsibility....!

And talk about victimhood!

Not only is it not the same thing, it is the EXACT OPPOSITE.

This just goes to show the feminists idea of equality is totally perverted.

See the above response.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh, b.s. on THAT. You talk about things like how many men are in prisons

That's a fact, not indicative of victim mentality.

 

[Mink57]

That's a fact, not indicative of victim mentality.

YOU'RE the one who brought it up, dude. Like, how come feminism isn't addressing THAT issue.

If more men are in prison than women, why don't MEN address the issue?

After all, MEN were in prison more than women because of ....what? Women were too "delicate" to be subjected to the harshnesss of prison? Who wrote THAT rule?? How come men didn't protest SOONER?

 

[Wrangler]

You talk about things like how many men are in prisons...like it's WOMEN'S fault for men being there in the first place.

Not at all. This statement is the worst form of feminism, COMPETITIVE feminism. How you rationalize accepting inequality when it suits you is very creative.

 

[Wrangler]

If more men are in prison than women, why don't MEN address the issue?

Because men aren't feminists so much.

 

[Wrangler]

Seems like your patriarchal system failed MEN as much as it did WOMEN.

Then why are equalitists-feminists giving themselves priority seating in the equality goals?

 

[Mink57]

You claim you take responsibility, Wrangler?

How about the statistic that says that 7 out of 10 men ABANDON their terminal ill wives?

Is THAT taking 'responsibility'? Is THAT the "provide and PROTECT" that Wynona is talking about?

Statistics PROVE that MOST men would abandon their wives in her hour of need.

Think THAT'S o.k.????

 

[Mink57]

Then why are equalitists-feminists giving themselves priority seating in the equality goals?

You don't seem to get what "equality" means. It's not the same thing as being the SAME. BUT...even if we're ALL not the same, don't we ALL deserve the same respect? The same LOVE that Jesus preached?

 

[Mink57]

Because men aren't feminists so much.

Weak answer. If you as a man protest against "having" to ask a woman to marry you...and if you, as a man, don't want to face the possibility of being turned down...then why, you as a man, haven't protested against this...system...sooner?

 

[MA2444]

Seems like your patriarchal system failed MEN as much as it did WOMEN.

Oh bull cookies. Firstly, it isnt "his" Patriarchal system, it's Gods. So your problem is with the Lord and not men. Didnt they ever teach you that, we wrestle not against flesh and blood...?
That's men. That's women. Men just want a woman that's pleasent to be around and can make a good sandwich. Not someone with a bad attitude and complains about everything.

You seem to have deceived yourself about who's side your on and who's side we're on. And if you cant hang, go home.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh bull cookies. Firstly, it isnt "his" Patriarchal system, it's Gods. So your problem is with the Lord and not men. Didnt they ever teach you that, we wrestle not against flesh and blood...?
That's men. That's women. Men just want a woman that's pleasent to be around and can make a good sandwich. Not someone with a bad attitude and complains about everything.

You seem to have deceived yourself about who's side your on and who's side we're on. And if you cant hang, go home.

1. IDEAL -v- PRACTICAL REALITY: Typical of all Leftist ideologies, totally succumbed to the Nirvana fallacy of ideal perfection. In the real world there is no perfection.

2. FRUIT: And what fruit has the divinely inspired merit system of Patriarchy yielded? The benefits of civilization, technology, record life expectancy, climate control, clean running water, gas stoves and refrigeration, electronics, tremendous health care capabilities and unprecedented wealth. In short, everything that is materially good in this life that we enjoy and need.

3. LACK OF HUMILITY AND APPRECIATION: There is not one bit of appreciation for ALL she has, all the blessings God has given her through the patriarchy. She condemns the good for not being better, closer to the ideal.

4. RESENTMENT & COVETING: All she has is unending bitterness and resentment for not have more, which she covets could be hers, which she'd be entitled to in her feminist utopia.

Anyone reading her posts can observe they ooze these failings.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Why can't it be both? Ever see a Venn diagram?

Good question. It’s the flesh that says it can’t be both. I do see the literal. I’ve lived the literal long enough to know it like the back of my hand. I’ve heard what you are telling me about literal. If you would pay attention, you are the one saying it can’t be both….that it can only be figurative which strangely gives the literal perspective of men and women, yet calls figurative language the same as Spirit. I’m not asking you to drop the literal perspective, or figurative language but I am asking you to at least consider another perspective, without calling it a tortured perspective. You ask why can’t it be both. Both means two perspectives. You keep telling me there is only one perspective, excluding the other. I get your arguments now so before you say there is only one perspective and it’s God’s. You have repeatedly said there are two sometimes it’s literal and sometimes it’s Spiritual, and discernment is knowing the difference.


You asked ‘Not sure why you ask this question but it really is besides the point I made about inequality, i.e., no parallel verse for husbands.’
It’s not beside the point. You brought up Jesus Christ drinking of the cup of bitterness. Is He a man drinking of the cup of bitterness? Is He …the model of: Ephesians 5:25-28 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; [26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, [27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. [28] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loves his wife loves himself.
Or Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
You can’t deny Romans 7 speaks to men too being made free by the body of Christ, to be married to another, even to Him who raised from the dead, to bring forth fruit unto God.

Why does figurative language have to have the keys to life and death?

I never said figurative language has to hold the keys to life and death. Unless I misunderstood you are saying figurative language is the same as Spirit. But it’s not. When Jesus Christ said “My Words are Spirit, they are Life” that goes beyond figurative language. Instead 1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

BTW, words do not have the keys to life and death. Perhaps you don't even realize you are using figurative language here. People hold keys, not words.

Psalm 10:7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

Psalm 12:3-4 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speak proud things: [4] Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

James 3:8-10
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. [9] Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. [10] Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

I already suspect you’ll say that the above just proves people hold the keys, not words. His words are different though: They are Spirit.

Huh? God made sex. The Hindu's have a health relationship between sex and the divine. Many Christians still embrace a puritanical view. There is no "transcending" sexual intimacy for intimacy with God for sex is mean to glorify God, acting in obedience to the command to "be fruitful and multiply."

I made a mistake in saying there is no sex in the Bible. I knew that would not go over well. What I meant is if the Song of Songs is only viewed as highly sexual, then even the world says it’s such an erotic book to be found in the Bible. See…the world agrees. It’s sexually erotic. Even …I can’t remember where but they say two men long sexually for each other in the songs of songs.

you said “There is no "transcending" sexual intimacy for intimacy with God for sex is meant to glorify God, acting in obedience to the command to "be fruitful and multiply." “
There are two types of flesh…terrestrial (earthly) which has glory.
But there is also the celestial (heavenly) which is a different kind of Glory.
Take your comments that acting in obedience to the command to “be fruitful and multiply” which I assume you mean where a man and woman have intercourse and a baby is conceived, and then born.

But there is another …obedience to the command to “be fruitful and multiply” it is not sexual. Because Paul spoke to them as children, Timothy as a son. There is “to be fruitFul” and to “multiply” where God gives the increase. That is the bearing fruit in Numbers Five Numbers 5:28 KJV - 28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. (Be fruitful and multiply)

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Be fruitful and multiply)

Both of the above is bearing children unto God. To bear fruit of the Spirit of God. It is this “bear fruit” and “multiply” that Glorifies God. He even gives a parable of the different kinds of ground where the seed is sown and what ground increases in Fruit. I have two daughters and five grandchildren. Im not disputing the literal. But I also see there is a birth of Spiritual children. Why do you only think sex and making babies glorifies God? What of that Bourne of the Spirit of God? For that born of flesh is flesh. That born of Spirit is Spirit.

Satan perverts the good that God created to make it NOT glorify God, i.e., transcend this form of obedience to God in exchange for giving into list apart from glorifying God.

It only has to be sex. Why a virgin then?