Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[VictoryinJesus]

Why don’t you try answering my question?

I tried my best to answer your question. Can or will you answer my question? Who is the adulterous woman who curses? Why did God say to be no more of the Adulterous woman but how you have been made free from her way of death, free to marry another, even Him who raised from the dead.

Responses to why people think God is evil and sexist. Confirmed for them by the conversation of most within the church, saying yes God is sexist but SO WHAT?
TRIGGER WARNING
‘God disses Jerusalem.. Of course Jerusalem is a woman Ezekiel 16:30 How weak is thine heart, saith the LORD GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;

Dont touch menstruating women, thats in the torah too, but here it is some more Ezekiel 18:6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman.

God disses again by comparing with a menstruating woman Ezekiel 36:17-18 “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols.’

Why does God say to bless and curse not that you be the children of God? To be blunt …if we are cursing then which woman are we of? any theology that says God kills our first family but don’t worry He will give you a new shinny family to replace them, missing that God is speaking of two covenants. Two women. One an adulterous who brings forth fruit unto death. All of which includes: back biting, puffed up, slanderers, covenant (peace) breakers, hater of their neighbors, boasters in the flesh, still blind of what was demolished, murders, liars, speaking evil of God …all the fruits of the flesh working unseemly things amongst themselves. One Woman not called an adulterous Woman, but Free, delivering children from above, given of God With Jesus Christ her First Fruit, followed by the apostles and disciples who bless and curse not. The wisdom from above being first
Galatians 5:22-26 KJV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


It is not evil that God puts off the adulterous woman and her children (it’s deliverance from the curse) and says by the body of Christ you are no longer called adulterous but Free by the body of Christ to marry another being no longer called an adulterous woman, to bring forth fruit unto God. It is putting off the old way and putting on the new way where Christ said “I am the Way”..

Another response to why people say God is sexist. Hopefully you can see why God refers (out of kindness, hope, and transformation) to Jerusalem you have gone whoring after idols… you have become an adulterous woman sporting her menstrual rags…Romans 7 put off your adulterous ways by the body of Christ, be called no more adulterous but made free to bear Fruit(children) unto God. God will give better children unto Jerusalem than those born of adultery. Going as far as to redeem her from the curse though “a Son is given” …hear Him.

If we say it’s our exes or first children that we sneer at and boast “God gave me better than the first” …to me we miss what exactly is the first and how beautiful and not ugly/evil it is that God …gives better as what is seen with Job. A better covenant keeper (woman), better children and a better house …we know if this house be dissolved, we have a better sure house from God. If we make it literal, we feed into the same things the world says. Even this doctrinal teaching of masters and slaves wishing the home…I’ve seen countless people who don’t go to church, they don’t believe in God yet they still use that teaching of having the same mindset: there are masters, and then there are slaves. Forgoing and never acknowledging “slaves to sin” .

I get you might say none of that makes sense and is a waste of time for you to read. But I do truly feel this all paints God in an evil light that paints God as not gracious, merciful or good. But paints Him as one who would kill our first wives and children but cares not for those wives and first children, only giving us new better ones. It’s bs. Now to suffer God dealt rued our first fruits of death unto sin to given us beauty for ashes…giving us Fruit Bourne unto God. To me that speaks highly of Him…as a deliverer of better things to come..

 

[Wrangler]

I tried my best to answer your question.

Huh? My question was yes or no. What was your answer?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's because you are gynocentric. We are all his clay.

I use to be gynocentric. I do think He is transforming the mind though because I’m telling you that you are or could be of the Proverbs 31 woman, born from above. I now see a man or brother who is weak and without knowledge as Paul spoke of one too afraid to eat…I do see a weak man or brother can be just as much of “a weak vessel” so: the treasure he Carries, the power in “ a weak(earthly) vessel” be of God and not men. I’m including (not excluding) men as well in the Proverbs 31 Woman teaching. If men do not want to think the teaching of the Proverbs 31 Woman is to them also…that is their choice. But I truly don’t see I’m excluding men, but instead including them in born from above, born of the free Woman(New Covenant) who rises while it is still night. As Paul spoke of here: Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

I don’t think that is gynocentric.
Instead it’s androcentrism that says: nope Proverbs 31 is to the women. See…who really excludes men out from the Proverbs 31 Woman?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I did. Your question is: don’t you think her repeatedly cursing God showed her unworthiness?

Yes. She is the adulterous woman. Cursing is what she does. her way leads to death.

^

Huh? My question was yes or no. What was your answer?

How many times do you want me to answer “yes” that is the second time and you still keep saying I haven’t answered your questioning…do you even read my response?

 

[Wrangler]

How many times do you want me to answer “yes” that is the second time and you still keep saying I haven’t answered your questioning…do you even read my response?

All you need to do is clearly answer the yes or no question once. Thanks. (Cursing God is the basis for her unrighteousness. Not sure where you are getting adultery from. Moving beyond that diversion …).

OK. So, you admit Job’s wife is unrighteous. Job is righteous. Yet, you are lamenting that God is not treating opposites as equals.

You do this because you are imposing a Cultural Marxist/feminist take into text that is void of such evil ideology. There! I answered your question to the best of my ability.

 

[Wrangler]

Huh

I don’t think that is gynocentric.
Instead it’s androcentrism that says: nope Proverbs 31 is to the women. See…who really excludes men out from the Proverbs 31 Woman?

Huh? Some things apply to women and not men. Proverbs 31 is one such thing.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

All you need to do is clearly answer the yes or no question once. Thanks. (Cursing God is the basis for her unrighteousness. Not sure where you are getting adultery from. Moving beyond that diversion …).

OK. So, you admit Job’s wife is unrighteous. Job is righteous. Yet, you are lamenting that God is not treating opposites as equals.

You do this because you are imposing a Cultural Marxist/feminist take into text that is void of such evil ideology. There! I answered your question to the best of my ability.

one question. If you will answer as direct as you told me to answer, it will help.

There are only two Women. Only two Covenants. The old covenant. And the New covenant. Where Paul spoke of they were born of the free woman and not the bond Woman.

Which Woman do you say you are born of?
The free Woman?
or the bond Woman?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Huh


Huh? Some things apply to women and not men. Proverbs 31 is one such thing.

You have exclude yourself from the Proverbs 31 Woman then? She is not me. She is beyond women as a female gender …to her it is granted to be clothed, and her clothing is the righteousness of the Saints. How can you deny the womb of the Woman made Free by the body of Christ, while you claim to born from above? Again…who removes males as being or having no part of the Woman above who is Free…when even Paul spoke of her as the Mother of us all???

 

[Wrangler]

Which Woman do you say you are born of?
The free Woman?
or the bond Woman?

Again, gynocentricism. I do not say which woman I was born of. That is a False Alternative. My freedom does not come from the woman I was born of.

I learned something a few weeks ago. Women conceive, give birth. Men beget, give life. Why do you disregard the man who begat me in your question?

 

[Wrangler]

She is beyond women as a female gender

Nonsense.

the Proverbs 31 Woman then? She is not me.

That's for sure.

 

[Wrangler]

@VictoryinJesus,

Have you triumphed over feminism? It doesn’t seem like it.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Again, gynocentricism. I do not say which woman I was born of. That is a False Alternative. My freedom does not come from the woman I was born of.

I learned something a few weeks ago. Women conceive, give birth. Men beget, give life. Why do you disregard the man who begat me in your question?

It’s right there in front of you. Paul says it clearly …we are not born the bond woman, but of the free woman. He points upwards , to above, refers directly to the free woman as New Jerusalem above. The same New Jerusalem that Christian’s say they wait where if “this place” “this house” “the vessel” is dissolved….God prepared New Jerusalem, Gods house which comes down from above and clothes the people with the New Man Christ, all which is given of God.

You’re still stuck as if she is a female (which you must find offensive and a disadvantage to males). Still “female”… instead of letting go of male and female. the free Woman above …New Jerusalem …is a place prepared of God where His Son is; the same Spirit that was in Christ, same Spirit of the Father, same Spirit that prepared a place called New Jerusalem (the mother of us all). She is the one who IS…the Woman saved through children birth because that Free Woman”s Fruit is excellent (Christ).

 

[Wrangler]

It’s right there in front of you. Paul says

Paul did not write Proverbs.

Good vid on dangers to women from promiscuity.

 

[Wrangler]

This vid gets really good at the 12 minute mark. Shout out to @Mink57 where he acknowledges your "not all" mantra. LOL But the point is too many women are crazy in living life with no sense of responsibility.

Proverbs 31 women at 23:30. the kind of woman men want.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Paul did not write Proverbs.

Good vid on dangers to women from promiscuity.

Correct. But considering what was written here and where did Paul learn it? From the same Spirit in Proverbs.:
Galatians 4:24-31 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which genders to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, you barren that bear not; break forth and cry, you that travail not: for the desolate has many more children than she which has an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. [30] Nevertheless what says the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

And here:
Romans 7:1-4 Know you not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he lives? [2] For the woman which has an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.<you are going to struggle with by the body of Christ …you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead…see your going to say it’s bigger than you. You’re going to work it out so you’re not “the woman” …then will you be instructed to marry another, even Him who is raised from the dead? How are you going to swing that one? Are you a man instructed to marry another man, even Him who raised up from the dead? Your going to break your own rules to avoid being the woman spoken of who has been made free, called no more an adulterous woman…that “you” should bear fruit unto God? Then you’ll have men marrying a man Christ. If you care to stay literal. But you won’t when it’s offensive.

Paul didn’t write proverbs, neither did Paul write Numbers 5 either, concerning the adulterous woman and…

the free Woman, called clean, called no more an adulterous woman. Being “washed” “and made clean” in Jesus Christ who gave His body “for her” that she be called more excellent, bearing fruit unto God, which Fruit is through Christ. Paul was taught by the Revelation of Jesus Christ…which does point to Jesus Christ. Do you not think Proverbs 31 and Numbers 5 helped with Romans 7?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Nonsense

You said it is nonsense that the Proverbs 31 Wiman goes beyond female gender.

From Proverbs 31:
She opens her mouth in wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
Her children rise up and bless her, her husband also, and he praises her saying “Many daughters have done nobly, but you Excel them all.

^if that is you (or mens) “finding an excellent wife” and it’s your wife you “the husband” praises, saying “Many daughters have done nobly but you excel them all…and her children “rise up also calling her blessed …

I don’t know your family dynamics. I don’t know if the grandchildren belong to “the evil daughter” or are kids from another? I don’t know if you have an ex wife, or if this is your first wife. I just don’t buy you are the husband who praises his wife.

This proved a wise policy as her evil daughter began attempting to cause a wedge in our marriage using the grandkids. Her machinations and schemes failed by the grace of God.

I do know of One husband who gave of His body to wash her with His own blood…

 

[Mink57]

This vid gets really good at the 12 minute mark. Shout out to @Mink57 where he acknowledges your "not all" mantra. LOL But the point is too many women are crazy in living life with no sense of responsibility.

Proverbs 31 women at 23:30. the kind of woman men want.

And if the situation beginning at 23:50 was reversed, do you think that young man would have stuck by his wife?

Or... would the young man have pulled the plug?
Or had an affair while his wife was laboring in the hospital?

That may be the kind of woman a man wants, but it's ALSO the kind of MAN that a WOMAN wants. After all, "in sickness or in health" applies to BOTH spouses. EQUALLY. Right?

Statistically, no.

Sadly, men are 7 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ABANDON a terminally ill partner, than women.

But why?

Because she does most of the caretaking inside the home. If she becomes too sick to deal, he often feels...
...a sense of anger...and entitlement to her caretaking...and resents her if that's absent. Have experienced this myself.

Other men often encourage him to leave. After all, he didn't sign up for "that". (yet his vows say he did...)

Talk about unfairness, Wrangler.

Equality comes in one of two ways. Either men STEP UP, or women STEP DOWN. You don't seem to like the idea that so many women are stepping down...and stepping OUT of the whole dating game.

Funny how the men who are stepping OUT...the women wouldn't want ANYWAY...

 

[Wrangler]

Correct. But considering what was written here and where did Paul learn it?

You are desperate to make connections that aren't there. Proverbs 31 is about a virtuous woman.

 

[Wrangler]

I don’t know

Finally, an honest thing you've written. Please elaborate on how you have triumphed over feminism.

 

[MA2444]

I don’t know your family dynamics. I don’t know if the grandchildren belong to “the evil daughter” or are kids from another? I don’t know if you have an ex wife, or if this is your first wife. I just don’t buy you are the husband who praises his wife.

None of my grandchildren are from my evil sons wife. I have an ex wife. She was my first wife. We have two sons from us and no extras slipped in, no kids out there from a previous relationship. I showered that little girl with praise and compliments during the entire marriage.

It backfired on me. I gave her too many compliments which made her feel like she could do better than me. I made her feel like she was more than she is. She's gone. I'll never make that mistake again! 26 years down the drain.

So what's my problem? I did everything right according to worldly standards. (I know what I did wrong).