Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

I showered that little girl with praise and compliments during the entire marriage.

It backfired on me. I gave her too many compliments which made her feel like she could do better than me. I made her feel like she was more than she is. ... I know what I did wrong.

Here's the evil of feminism rearing it's ugly head. She meant this derisive comment to apply to me. Any man who dares hold a feminist to account is automatically deemed misogynistic. Ergo, "I just don’t buy you are the husband who praises his wife."

In feminist ideology a man cannot simultaneously call a woman out on her BS AND praise her when it is merited also. They are always after equality of benefit, never equality of responsibility. Benefit is what they feel entitled to. Held accountable feels like hate. They only want one-sided equality, which is no kind of equality at all.

I don't care if she is "buying" what kind of husband I am for I am not on trial in this thread, feminism is. And she still has not explained how she has triumphed over feminism. The reason is obvious! She hasn't.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You are desperate to make connections that aren't there. Proverbs 31 is about a virtuous woman.

I don’t think it’s a desperate attempt. I know no other “Woman” who rises while it is yet night. Except the Free Woman joined to Christ. her freedom of Him, Him who she pledges marriage to, even Him who raised from the dead.

I know no other Woman who in her mouth is the Law of kindness. How she is more excellent than all, excelling. Paul spoke to the Corinthians saying 2 Corinthians 6:11-13 O you Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. [12] Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. [13] Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be you also enlarged.<which tells me Paul had no qualms with New Jerusalem which is above, or …in the mouth of New Jerusalem is the law of kindness.

Everything “she” does in Proverbs is what Christ does…puts using a field, where with the Fruit of the field, she planted a vineyard. James 3:17-18 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. [18] And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

It is God that increases the Proverbs 31 woman prepared for the Son. For honor and Glory. You don’t have to believe me. In my opinion you are not the husband who sets within the gates, and blesses his “body” “wife”…it is Christ. It is Christ, God the Father and the Woman who is Free by the body of Christ. It’s a place prepared. In all scriptures God’s Way comes from that which is above. Not what is handed down from men to men. It’s a “New Creature” way beyond …”yep that is teachings to women only.” Then don’t read any of the proverbs because the place prepared of God, God’s promises of children given out from the “woman made free” by and through the body of Christ. The Spirit in Father, Son, and even the Same Spirit that rules the place of their abode, the heavenly. That Spirit is present all through out Proverbs. If you can’t understand earthly things and squabble and debate over even the simplest “earthly” things like who takes out the trash and who tends to the children (which children you are)…how can you understand heavenly things. Two women. One an adulterous Woman…if you fulfill any part of the law, then you must fulfill all of the Law. If you fail in any part…you fail in All. Being called an Adulterer. You asked earlier or made a comment …of how did you get “Adultererous” and “the woman who curses God proving her as unworthy” out of the same thing. adulterous and cursing God is the same “Woman” …you have read it over and over. But reduce it to YOUR wives.

New Jerusalem above which is Free, this “Woman” this “fertile ground” her fruit is excellent. You want to know how I know? When the Spirit descended upon Jesus Christ and the heavens opened, God said this is My beloved Son( Fruit) in whom I am well pleased. I can tell you Jesus Christ honored Father and Mother Above. Born of the Spirit. Which God and New Jerusalem is Spirit. As is the Son. The law of kindness on her tongue, as the Father and the Sons tongue as well.

 

[Wynona]

I wanted to talk about how Satan uses distractions in women's lives when it comes to fulfilling the purpose God has for us.

Three categories of women: the distractors, the internally distracted, and the externally distracted.

The distractors are pretty obvious. If you want to be a Godly helpmeet to your husband, they have all kinds of advice and opinions to undermine that goal and just straight up mock you at times. If it's not, they are simple adding drama, chaos, and false obligations in your life to the point where you are distracted from simply focusing on your husband, kids, and home. They are the pushy mother or mother-in-law, the girlfriend that wants a three hour phone call to rehash the same problem again and again, the fun girl who just wants to have girls night and shenanigans that aren't entirely innocent but wants someone to do it with, the one who all but accuses you of wasting your life.

The internally distracted may be on their way in wanting to improve themselves, but go about it the wrong ways with lesser pursuits. This was me for many years. I wanted to have a single minded pursuit of some goal like mastering the cello, some career track, or a language, but it kept changing every couple weeks because none of those things had anything to do with the purpose God had for me. Satan internally distracted me with lust, gluttony, desire for approval from my family and friends, and ever changing education and job goals that had no benefit to my husband whatsoever.

Once I began to read the Bible for myself and gain the wisdom that my purpose as a wife was being the helpmeet alongside my husband as he fulfilled his call from God, I gained a lot of clarity about why none of my pursuits never stuck. Since then, I have been an active housewife for five years. No other pursuit has ever lasted nearly that long.

Now that it's harder for Satan to distract me internally because of the Word, he sends others to distract me. They do this by either discouraging choices I'm making under the biblical priorities God lays out for me or by just being a constant source of stress and chaos in my life. This is Satan's war against the saints. I plan to fight back by remembering that it's not flesh and blood that I'm battling against, but powers and principalities of darkness. I plan to fight back through prayer in the secret place. I know what I'm here for and I have short term and long term goals to get through. I won't allow Satan to hinder me and distract me from these goals because these are the ones God entrusted to me.

 

[Wrangler]

I don’t think it’s a desperate attempt. I know no other “Woman” who rises while it is yet night.

Appeal to Ignorance. Many women (not in quotes) rise while it is still night - even women who have not accepted Christ as their lord.

Your entire line of reasoning is desperate because it is a Diversion to your personal experience in triumphing over feminism.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Finally, an honest thing you've written. Please elaborate on how you have triumphed over feminism.

You are right. My husband keeps telling me the religious already set in the concrete beliefs are not the audience. It’s the Women out there who have heard evil things about God as a male centric God who have become so frustrated with questions like why does God hate women. So much. And even weak men who have be told they are not to be joined to New Jerusalem above, the Free Woman in Romans 7 that bears fruit unto God.

Who the “Woman” is, to me tears down male centric and feminist alike when the focus is removed off gender directed towards: two Covenants. One Covenant genders sin unto death. Of course God is against it, so I think if feminists who hate God for the wrong message of Him could ever see it is not speaking of “women” but covenant…they might see God is indeed a Loving God. Neither male centric or feminist. That is how I think I can overcome feminism but helping women who just like me had been told lies. If feminism would forget what male centric has taught for its selfish gain…now calling feminism selfish gain…if feminism could forget and see “woman” as two covenants, maybe they could see the beauty in God destroying the first, to establish the Last.

Yea, I’m speaking to the choir who is perfectly content with gender and he said, she said.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Your entire line of reasoning is desperate because it is a Diversion to your personal experience in triumphing over feminism.

You think you’ve overcome feminism through use of the flesh. You hate feminism as much as feminism hates male centric. Flesh doesn’t overcome flesh, honestly I despise your arrogance in thinking you’ve overcome what you haven given birth to. A hate of God for who has the highest position in the Heavenly, New Jerusalem. I wonder if you were to stand at the gates of New Jerusalem where Father and Son abide …will you say “nope, men have no part in the Free Woman above, the Mother of us all.” Sad part is your teaching others the same mantra that you say overcomes feminism, I’m shocked no one can read how you speak of your daughter, sons wife or whoever and then follow your thoughts and mindset …right into the bowels of “the Adulterous woman”, which you say you hate. Not even pausing the consider which woman are you of. Neither?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

don't care if she is "buying" what kind of husband I am for I am not on trial in this thread, feminism is. And she still has not explained how she has triumphed over feminism. The reason is obvious! She hasn't.

You are right. That is why I’m going to go talk to feminists instead. It is obvious they hate God but maybe…possibly…what they hate is the lie they have been told of who God is.

 

[Wrangler]

I wanted to have a single minded pursuit of some goal like mastering the cello, some career track, or a language, but it kept changing every couple weeks because none of those things had anything to do with the purpose God had for me. Satan internally distracted me with lust, gluttony, desire for approval from my family and friends, and ever changing education and job goals that had no benefit to my husband whatsoever.

Lots of people fall for that.

 

[Wrangler]

You think you’ve overcome feminism through use of the flesh. You hate feminism as much as feminism hates male centric. Flesh doesn’t overcome flesh

So, you admit feminism is not of God but of the flesh. How have you triumphed over feminism, again?

 

[Wynona]

None of my grandchildren are from my evil sons wife. I have an ex wife. She was my first wife. We have two sons from us and no extras slipped in, no kids out there from a previous relationship. I showered that little girl with praise and compliments during the entire marriage.

It backfired on me. I gave her too many compliments which made her feel like she could do better than me. I made her feel like she was more than she is. She's gone. I'll never make that mistake again! 26 years down the drain.

So what's my problem? I did everything right according to worldly standards. (I know what I did wrong).

You may not trust her but it seems that you clearly still love her.

Even now, you talk about mistakes you made in the marriage more than her issues, taking some responsibility for what she became. She may not be there but the marriage mindset has stayed. Not a wasted 26 years. A lesson learned.

 

[Wrangler]

You are right. That is why I’m going to go talk to feminists instead.

I caution you to be careful and suggest you answer the question I've asked numerous times before embarking on such a risky proposition.

2 Corinthians 6:14-15
The Temple of the Living God
14 Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? 15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil[a]? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?

Why not talk to @Wynona and others who have triumphed over feminism?

 

[Wrangler]

I despise your arrogance

You ought to examine where this hate is coming from. I've said many times:

Love women​

Hate feminism​

It's not arrogance but confidence, total confidence. Some ideas are evil. We are constantly told White Supremacy is bad. And I've pointed out the fact many times that feminism is the worst -ism of 20th century, worse than communism and fascism combined.

Not even pausing the consider which woman are you of. Neither?

Nope. No need. No need to adopt your tortured take on Proverbs 31.

 

[Wynona]

Why not talk to @Wynona and others who have triumphed over feminism?

I consider @VictoryinJesus a personal friend on here. She's good people.

 

[Wrangler]

There is a 106 yo grandmother who tells her 38 year old granddaughter that if you don't have a man, you got nothing. She has triumphed over feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

Satan uses distractions in women's lives when it comes to fulfilling the purpose God has for us.

Three categories of women: the distractors, the internally distracted, and the externally distracted.

This is true, not only for feminists but non-feminists, for women and for men.

I feel we are like children, drawn to a shiny new object. Scripture teaches us to take all thoughts obedient to Christ. It is shiny and new but is it for us?

Grace limits what we say to not only what is true but what is helpful.

 

[Wrangler]

I consider @VictoryinJesus a personal friend on here. She's good people.

Great! An alcoholic, new to Christ, new to living a life not controlled by alcohol may want to talk to all her alcoholic friends about the good thing she’s found in Jesus.

Prudence cautions against it until there is some established pattern of recovery. Otherwise, instead of cleaning the dirty, one who is newly clean may backslide and become dirty once again.

I see the triumph over feminism in your posts. Not hers.

 

[Wynona]

I see the triumph over feminism in your posts. Not hers.

My rejection of feminism was almost a decade long process. It doesn't have to necessarily take that long (I had few mentors at first) but rejecting something that is so ingrained in modern culture can be a long game.

I don't see @VictoryinJesus
as feminist supporting or a full blown promoter of biblical patriarchy.

I just wouldn't be discouraged over it.

It would be nice if everyone's entire worldview could adjust to a Scripture in an instant. Mine didn't. The enemy often snatches away seeds of the Word and we forget it. Staying in Scripture ensures we put those seeds back in.

If we want to influence people away from unbiblical ideology, my thinking is listening and patience can strengthen that. I enjoy making strong statements and expressing my views with a strong consistent voice

But it's not because I expect people to agree with me instantly. I expect a lot of pushback even. People usually only move to your side halfway or a quarter. But I consider this more realistic than expecting to reverse an ideology in one paragraph or even one conversation.

I suppose I am implying that you are being impatient but I try not to tone police on the forums. Different ways of speaking can be different and still be okay.

I just see this topic as a long haul that needs patience. Some agree, some are opposed, some are in the middle. Others lurk. Those opposed may never fully give ground but it's great to debate them for the sake of the ones on the fence.

 

[MA2444]

You may not trust her but it seems that you clearly still love her.

Even now, you talk about mistakes you made in the marriage more than her issues, taking some responsibility for what she became. She may not be there but the marriage mindset has stayed. Not a wasted 26 years. A lesson learned.

Sure I still love her. She's the mother of my children.

I had to make a learning experience out of it so I didnt go insane and start acting stupid, lol. I dont want to disparage her, that's too much like gossiping and I'm against that. Besides, there was more good in her than bad.

 

[Mink57]

None of my grandchildren are from my evil sons wife. I have an ex wife. She was my first wife. We have two sons from us and no extras slipped in, no kids out there from a previous relationship. I showered that little girl with praise and compliments during the entire marriage.

It backfired on me. I gave her too many compliments which made her feel like she could do better than me. I made her feel like she was more than she is. She's gone. I'll never make that mistake again! 26 years down the drain.

So what's my problem? I did everything right according to worldly standards. (I know what I did wrong).

*Hands MA2444 a Dagwood Sandwich before beginning my rant*

You know...what's interesting to me about what's bolded is that there seems to be a tie-in between how you treated your wife and how that affected her, and how some women USED to treat their husbands...and how it may have affected THEM.

Treating someone well...showering her with compliments and praise...bringing him his slippers and newspaper... is one thing. But it CAN become too much, to where the receiver of that treatment/praise goes to their heads. And gratitude is somehow lost...reduced to a "job" or a "role". Appreciation goes by the wayside. Humility goes by the wayside. These days, the mantra from BOTH men and women is "I DESERVE..."

Do they REALLY????

 

[MA2444]

*Hands MA2444 a Dagwood Sandwich before beginning my rant*

You know...what's interesting to me about what's bolded is that there seems to be a tie-in between how you treated your wife and how that affected her, and how some women USED to treat their husbands...and how it may have affected THEM.

Treating someone well...showering her with compliments and praise...bringing him his slippers and newspaper... is one thing. But it CAN become too much, to where the receiver of that treatment/praise goes to their heads. And gratitude is somehow lost...reduced to a "job" or a "role". Appreciation goes by the wayside. Humility goes by the wayside. These days, the mantra from BOTH men and women is "I DESERVE..."

Do they REALLY????

Dagwood Sandwiches, My Favorite!

When I first met her, she was just another girl to my 22 yr old self that I wanted to get with. She grew up poor on a farm in Poland and only knew 5 or 6 words of English when I met her. But I didnt let the language barrier slow me down, lol! I was able to nicely let her know what I want. And "No" was one of the words that she knew! But I found her beautiful and I wanted her and had never really been told no before, lol. So it was sort of a conquest for me too (How a 22 yr old thinks). But she had such a humble spirit and was real sweet. But she kept saying No and it got to be almost 6 months later and still no. So I thought well she prolly is not going to ever say yes to me. And I took one day off and went out with my brother instead and went back the next night and I guess it scared her that I didnt come around one day and she didnt want me to not come back. So she gave in finally after 6 months. She must've got pregnant the first time we did it, but she was saying yes now so I didnt miss a night, lol. And whoa she got pregnant fast. I saw the shape of belly start to change and told her before she knew!

And I did some deep thinking about her. This had never happened to me before. She was going to have my child. So I thought I better get her a place is what I should do. , so I rented a small basement apt, what I could afford and we moved in to it...And she still barely knew any english. She was so humble in spirit that it bothered me. She would ask if it was ok if she got a drink of water. (Doh!) I tried to convince her, this is your house. I knew that essentially, she was a stranger in a strange land and was prolly very worried. So I hovered over her and took care of her. I figured, so this is my time. My turn to have a kid. I might as well do it right if I can.

But it bothered me when she would ask for things in the house. As if she was a guest instead, the momma. I felt bad but loved her humble spirit and highly skilled cooking that she could do. So I made it my mission to lift her up in spirit. So I started complimenting her and it grew to be a habit. She did get comfortable eventually and I should have stopped, but she liked it and I knew she did so I didnt stop...and that was a mistake.

I went in business for myself 10 years later and I didnt care about money. I just wanted a family so I gave her all the money and she did good keeping the books and stuff. I gave her a lot of money, too much. Because she couldn handle it. She got used to it and was loving life when we doing 6 figures and then when the economy was sliding down I guess she didnt want to downsize her money flow. She got materialistic. Also my fault. But the economy wasnt my fault! Just the Materialistic Monster that I created.

How's that Led Zepplin song go? Na na na na no-body's fault bu-ut mineee.