Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wynona]

Yes, bragging. Do you know who cooled the dinner on Mondays for the previous 13 years? Most me.

You'll get mad when you hear this. Ready?

When I worked, we argued about housework a lot. One day after becoming a housewife, I heard a Titus 2 type older wife explain that because her husband works hard to provide, she sees her role as making his life easier and chooses to have zero expectations for what he does when he comes home from work.

If he chooses to help, great! But not expected. Socks on the floor? Why argue? She just picks them up and there's no tension. Service is a Christian virtue. The man sacrifices. The woman honors it with service.

I decided to adopt this mindset. It's been five years. We rarely argue now. It is a lot more peaceful to let little things go and to have the mindset of we both relax at home and chores are not his job when he arrives.

The reward for me is that he puts the energy he saves from getting to relax and not argue right back into work and providing for us. He has increased his income and skill level each year since I became a housewife.

 

[MA2444]

The man was not ALWAYS the head of the wife. Not until AFTER Adam and Eve sinned. What sense would it make for God to have said to Eve, "...and your husband shall rule over you", if Adam had ALWAYS ruled over her? Pretty obvious that it wasn't ALWAYS like that.

So the first thing she did with her independance was to go out and get in trouble. Cant you see that women need boundries? They need a man at the head of the table. And we need Jesus as our head.

Unless of course you leave her, become incapacitated or pass on. Then she'll HAVE to pay bills. So, let's dispense with the "ever" part, ok?

You mean if I write ever you think I'll be making alimony payments from beyond the grave?! I can see where saying ever would counfuse a girl into thinking she was getting extended payments, lol! I guess.

Everybody knows it's till death do we part. Or whenever she decides to leave. I dont think women marry for love at all. It's always the money. how many Proverbs 31 Wives do you think are alive in the world?

 

[Mink57]

So the first thing she did with her independance was to go out and get in trouble. Cant you see that women need boundries?

Adam and Eve were BOTH guilty. Adam got into trouble with his independence, too. They BOTH could have used their free will to say 'no'. Eve could have said 'no' to the serpent. Adam could have said 'no' to Eve. Eve blamed the serpent for tricking her. But Adam blamed both Eve AND God. They were both supposed to listen to God.

If women need boundaries because of Eve, then men also need boundaries, because of Adam.

They need a man at the head of the table.

No, they don't. In fact, a Pew Research survey found that: "In 43% of all couples it’s the woman who makes decisions in more areas than the man. By contrast, men make more of the decisions in only about a quarter (26%) of all couples. And about three-in-ten couples (31%) split decision-making responsibilities equally." Personally, I prefer the latter.

"Significantly, in a large plurality of couples – 43% – men don’t have the final say in any of the four areas tested. These men either share decision-making with their partners or defer to them."

Women Call the Shots at Home; Public Mixed on Gender Roles in Jobs

A new survey finds that in 43% of all couples it’s the woman who makes decisions in more areas than the man. By contrast, men make more of the decisions in only about a quarter of all couples.

www.pewresearch.org

And we need Jesus as our head.

THAT I agree with. If Jesus tells us not to steal and my husband wants me to steal, who do you think I'm going to listen to, a.k.a. defer to, a.k.a. submit to? (Spoiler: NOT my husband!)

You mean if I write ever you think I'll be making alimony payments from beyond the grave?! I can see where saying ever would counfuse a girl into thinking she was getting extended payments, lol! I guess.

Oh, ha, ha. You know what I meant! Nothing to do with alimony!

Everybody knows it's till death do we part. Or whenever she decides to leave. I dont think women marry for love at all. It's always the money.

Can say something similar about men. That they don't marry for love, they marry for sex and to have a maid.

And as far as 'till death do us part', I've explained before that this is NOT a separate 'vow' from all the others. If it was, then the other vows wouldn't matter. You may as well say something like, "Well, I vow to never cheat on you (and forsaking all others) but if I DO, you can't leave me!" I have my own angst with traditional wedding vows (even though I've said them before), but that's another discussion.

how many Proverbs 31 Wives do you think are alive in the world?

Probably quite a few! At least, if the Proverb was a bit modernized. Not a whole lot of women make their own clothes anymore but they still usually have the task (instead of their husbands) to purchase clothes for the family.

The first thing about Pvbs. 31 is that the husband "trusts her judgment." That's in the very beginning of the passage. Considering the above, that 43% of married women make most of the household decisions, I'd say that many of those husbands defer to those wives for one reason or another and probably because they "trust her judgment."

The woman in Proverbs 31 was a woman who worked outside of the home. She wasn't staying in the house with the kids all day, cooking, cleaning, etc. She was busy, busy, BIZ-ZEE!

Also, she was out purchasing property...with her own money. Interesting that in Colonial America up until the late 1800's MOST American women were not allowed to do that...by LAW. I understand that Wynona pointed out that SOME women had that power. But in MOST states, they didn't.

In all honesty MA2444, I wonder if the woman in Prvs. 31 had it better...or worse than today's modern woman...

 

[Mink57]

Yes, bragging. Do you know who cooled the dinner on Mondays for the previous 13 years? Most me.

So, you're bragging about "cooling" the dinner on Mondays for 13 years?

Yes, I'm just teasing you...trying to bring a little levity to the thread!

 

[Mink57]

That's a good agreement.

It worked for US.

 

[Wrangler]

So, you're bragging about "cooling" the dinner on Mondays for 13 years?

Yes, I'm just teasing you...trying to bring a little levity to the thread!

Ironically, one of the most frustrating things about my "cooling" that my wife had to adjust to is letting the food rest or cool.

Actually, I do most of the cooking most days. I doubt she has cooked 5% of the meals. In the spirit of a little levity, I'll share this. I already shared my favorite argument. Now, I'll share my favorite complaint my wife ever made.

One night after dinner, she bitterly complained about being sick of washing dishes, that she's always washing dishes. This launched this tirade of a response from me:

I spend hours earning the money to buy the food. I then spend a couple of hours buying the food. Then I spend an hour or more cooking the food. And all you do is spend 10-15 minutes washing dishes! How about if we change roles and I won't even complain about washing dishes?​

S-I-L-E-N-C-E. This is woman's nature, always coveting a better deal. There is a vulgar term that describes this subconscious behavior, "sh_t test." When she gives me a "sh_t test," I appeal to feminist ideal of equality. If things are fair and you turn them around, they are still fair. If it's not fair what she is doing and we turn it around, she'll get the better end of the bargain. She NEVER takes me up on my generous offer to let her do 75% or more of all the work! Funny that!

 

[MA2444]

No, they don't. In fact, a Pew Research survey found that: "In 43% of all couples it’s the woman who makes decisions in more areas than the man. By contrast, men make more of the decisions in only about a quarter (26%) of all couples. And about three-in-ten couples (31%) split decision-making responsibilities equally." Personally, I prefer the latter.

"Significantly, in a large plurality of couples – 43% – men don’t have the final say in any of the four areas tested. These men either share decision-making with their partners or defer to them."

Women Call the Shots at Home; Public Mixed on Gender Roles in Jobs

A new survey finds that in 43% of all couples it’s the woman who makes decisions in more areas than the man. By contrast, men make more of the decisions in only about a quarter of all couples.

www.pewresearch.org

What's wrong with that? The woman should be allowed to make decisions in the home. The home is her domain. Especially during peace time. But as soon as a crises happens they wont want to make the decisions anymore. They'll hand the reins back over to the man with gladness! The S has been ripe to hit the fan for some time now. This country will prolly be at war by the end of 2024. Does anybody really think that all those migrants are all abused families from abroad? How many soldiers in plain clothes are mixed in.

If the election is contested (Has to be!) then we will be at civil war. If the migrants hit us, we're stilll at war. I bet Femisnism fades into the woodwork during the war. What was once a strong independant woman will be helpless females crying, Men, Save me! And we will because that's what we do, lol.

But during peace time yes the house is the domain of the Wife. She decides what curtains will go up in this room. She largely picks out the furniture. She is in control. Big deal. She spends most of her time there she should be able to fix it up as see wants to to make it nice. And the men really dont care one way or another, lol. As long as shes happy.

But you shouldnt think that man does not have the last word and the man has the power to VETO anything of his Wife that he wants to. All women are different so there's no consistency. Some women will surly have suggestions and be good suggestions so she can handle a decision making job like that. House Manager. I got lucky when I was married because everything that girl touched turns to gold! She was good at lots of stuff and dumb as a peanut at the same time, lol. But some girls dont bring skills to the table. How many women say they dont cook nowadays? They will wind up single and alone.

 

[Biblepaige]

What's wrong with that? The woman should be allowed to make decisions in the home. The home is her domain. Especially during peace time. But as soon as a crises happens they wont want to make the decisions anymore. They'll hand the reins back over to the man with gladness! The S has been ripe to hit the fan for some time now. This country will prolly be at war by the end of 2024. Does anybody really think that all those migrants are all abused families from abroad? How many soldiers in plain clothes are mixed in.

If the election is contested (Has to be!) then we will be at civil war. If the migrants hit us, we're stilll at war. I bet Femisnism fades into the woodwork during the war. What was once a strong independant woman will be helpless females crying, Men, Save me! And we will because that's what we do, lol.

But during peace time yes the house is the domain of the Wife. She decides what curtains will go up in this room. She largely picks out the furniture. She is in control. Big deal. She spends most of her time there she should be able to fix it up as see wants to to make it nice. And the men really dont care one way or another, lol. As long as shes happy.

But you shouldnt think that man does not have the last word and the man has the power to VETO anything of his Wife that he wants to. All women are different so there's no consistency. Some women will surly have suggestions and be good suggestions so she can handle a decision making job like that. House Manager. I got lucky when I was married because everything that girl touched turns to gold! She was good at lots of stuff and dumb as a peanut at the same time, lol. But some girls dont bring skills to the table. How many women say they dont cook nowadays? They will wind up single and alone.

This thread insists women are to be enslaved to their husband. The idea isn't biblical. It's the opposite of that in fact.

Jesus was born into the Jewish patriarchal system. In part that very thing is why his pregnant mother and Joseph had to leave their hometown. Because under that rule of the fathers Mary being pregnant and unwed would be stoned to death.

Jesus destroyed that patriarchal concept. Having women Disciples,was but one example.
Women discovered the empty tomb. A woman brought news of Jesus resurrection.

And the other Disciples followed women leading them to that empty tomb to see for themselves our Lord was gone from there. Men following the leading of women in Orthodox Jewish culture at that time was a no no. It didn't happen.

Jesus freed women. And even Paul a Pharisee said we are all one in Christ. There is no Greek or Hebrew. No distinction,division, of male and female. We are one in Christ.

I say,hold to Jesus example. Those who belittle the identity of women as having a lesser place due to their sex are precisely where they want to be. Jesus freed women. Hold on to that.
Slave mentalities are incapable of imagining freedom and equality.
Just as Jesus said.

 

[MA2444]

Probably quite a few! At least, if the Proverb was a bit modernized. Not a whole lot of women make their own clothes anymore but they still usually have the task (instead of their husbands) to purchase clothes for the family.

The first thing about Pvbs. 31 is that the husband "trusts her judgment." That's in the very beginning of the passage. Considering the above, that 43% of married women make most of the household decisions, I'd say that many of those husbands defer to those wives for one reason or another and probably because they "trust her judgment."

The woman in Proverbs 31 was a woman who worked outside of the home. She wasn't staying in the house with the kids all day, cooking, cleaning, etc. She was busy, busy, BIZ-ZEE!

Also, she was out purchasing property...with her own money. Interesting that in Colonial America up until the late 1800's MOST American women were not allowed to do that...by LAW. I understand that Wynona pointed out that SOME women had that power. But in MOST states, they didn't.

In all honesty MA2444, I wonder if the woman in Prvs. 31 had it better...or worse than today's modern woman...

If she's a Proverbs 31 wife then of course he would trust her judgment. Mine was not a Proverbs 31 wife and I trusted her judgment. She was talented though and doing everything was nothing to her.

But all those girls running around who are self proclaimed independant women who have no skills and never had to learn to cook are going to be in a sad shape because they will be single and alone when they get older.

 

[Wrangler]

The first thing about Pvbs. 31 is that the husband "trusts her judgment."

Perhaps this is the first failure of feminists in relationships. They don't trust or respect men. They've even been indoctrinated NOT to respect or trust her husbands judgment.

This explains the folly of feminism in relationships, leading to women to be less happy than before.

 

[Mink57]

Ironically, one of the most frustrating things about my "cooling" that my wife had to adjust to is letting the food rest or cool.

Actually, I do most of the cooking most days. I doubt she has cooked 5% of the meals. In the spirit of a little levity, I'll share this. I already shared my favorite argument. Now, I'll share my favorite complaint my wife ever made.

One night after dinner, she bitterly complained about being sick of washing dishes, that she's always washing dishes. This launched this tirade of a response from me:

I spend hours earning the money to buy the food. I then spend a couple of hours buying the food. Then I spend an hour or more cooking the food. And all you do is spend 10-15 minutes washing dishes! How about if we change roles and I won't even complain about washing dishes?​

S-I-L-E-N-C-E. This is woman's nature, always coveting a better deal. There is a vulgar term that describes this subconscious behavior, "sh_t test." When she gives me a "sh_t test," I appeal to feminist ideal of equality. If things are fair and you turn them around, they are still fair. If it's not fair what she is doing and we turn it around, she'll get the better end of the bargain. She NEVER takes me up on my generous offer to let her do 75% or more of all the work! Funny that!

I just had an epiphany with what I bolded. You seem to view your wife's behavior as the behavior of ALL women, just as you hear MY complaints about my late husband...or even SOME men I've known, as if my complaints extend to ALL men.

In other words, you're projecting your own experiences with your wife and a few women onto ALL women and onto ME.

Wrangler, what your wife told you, was appalling. And how you responded was brilliant. While living overseas, we had a young couple as next door neighbors. She was a SAHM wife with NO children, and I was a SAHM with two. Also, I drove...she didn't.

She traveled back to the states a few times a year, at her husband's expense. One time she was gone for a month. While she was gone, her husband invested in a new sound system. Value: $450. Once she came back, I took her grocery shopping. She started tossing all these expensive items into the cart. I looked at her cross-eyed and she said, "I'm getting even with "John". I went away for a month, and he bought himself a sound system. HE DIDN'T BUY ME NUTHIN'!!"

I was like, and THEN . I reminded her that her husband just spent over $600 on AIRFARE for her to go back to visit her friends and family in the states. PLUS, he gave her spending money, even though she was staying at her parent's house. The sound system is something that they BOTH can enjoy, while SHE was the only one who enjoyed that month-long vacay! Like you say Wrangler, S-I-L-E-N-C-E. I KNOW she wasn't willing to get a job, even though her husband worked TWO jobs.

In other words, I, as a woman, CALLED HER OUT. I don't like unfairness, whether it comes from a man OR a woman.

Just...no. It's not "women's" nature, because I, and SOME other women, are NOT like that.

 

[Mink57]

What's wrong with that? The woman should be allowed to make decisions in the home. The home is her domain. Especially during peace time. But as soon as a crises happens they wont want to make the decisions anymore. They'll hand the reins back over to the man with gladness! The S has been ripe to hit the fan for some time now. This country will prolly be at war by the end of 2024. Does anybody really think that all those migrants are all abused families from abroad? How many soldiers in plain clothes are mixed in.

Not ALL women are like that, just like not all men would want to step up during a crisis.

If the election is contested (Has to be!) then we will be at civil war. If the migrants hit us, we're stilll at war. I bet Femisnism fades into the woodwork during the war. What was once a strong independant woman will be helpless females crying, Men, Save me! And we will because that's what we do, lol.

Eh. Doubtful.

But during peace time yes the house is the domain of the Wife. She decides what curtains will go up in this room. She largely picks out the furniture. She is in control. Big deal. She spends most of her time there she should be able to fix it up as see wants to to make it nice. And the men really dont care one way or another, lol. As long as shes happy.

And THEREIN lies the 'rub'! The decisions she makes regarding preparing a nice home FOR YOU are no 'big deal'. Meanwhile, it's a VERY big deal for HER. That shows a lack of gratitude on YOUR part!

But you shouldnt think that man does not have the last word and the man has the power to VETO anything of his Wife that he wants to. All women are different so there's no consistency.

All MEN are different, so there's no consistency with MEN, either!!!

Some women will surly have suggestions and be good suggestions so she can handle a decision making job like that. House Manager. I got lucky when I was married because everything that girl touched turns to gold! She was good at lots of stuff and dumb as a peanut at the same time, lol. But some girls dont bring skills to the table. How many women say they dont cook nowadays? They will wind up single and alone.

I have no idea. I've heard of a few women who don't cook (...and who are PROUD of that fact). And SOME may end up single and alone. But others DO cook (yours truly), and they're single and alone...and THRIVING (again, yours truly).

Believe me, plenty of women these days are dropping out of the dating game because to them, it's just not worth weeding through the countless men, countless bad dates, to find the 'prince'.

 

[Mink57]

If she's a Proverbs 31 wife then of course he would trust her judgment. Mine was not a Proverbs 31 wife and I trusted her judgment. She was talented though and doing everything was nothing to her.

And your complaint is...........?

But all those girls running around who are self proclaimed independant women who have no skills and never had to learn to cook are going to be in a sad shape because they will be single and alone when they get older.

It's interesting that you said earlier:

But during peace time yes the house is the domain of the Wife. She decides what curtains will go up in this room. She largely picks out the furniture. She is in control. Big deal.

Yes, she's in control. Big deal, as you say. Well, cooking is part of that skill set. But HEY! If a man doesn't even appreciate that...in PEACE time...why bother doing that at all for someone?

Women want to be appreciated JUST AS MUCH AS men want to be appreciated.

 

[Wrangler]

This is a great vid on modern dating. The chic suggested they go out to the most expensive place in town and when he said since she planned it, he's anticipating she is going to pay for it. Her reaction as feminist written all over it. LOL

 

[Wrangler]

I just had an epiphany with what I bolded. You seem to view your wife's behavior as the behavior of ALL women

You are in denial that there is such a thing as woman's nature as different from the nature of men.

Because of this, you cannot handle any application of this simple reality. Funny because I thought you recognized female hypergamy. This is just another application of that.

This is a vid by a woman about women's nature. There are tons of them out there.

 

[Mink57]

Perhaps this is the first failure of feminists in relationships. They don't trust or respect men. They've even been indoctrinated NOT to respect or trust her husbands judgment.

Some women have better judgment than their husbands. I'm sorry Wrangler, but some men can be positively daft in some areas. Consider a man who wants to invest the entire nest-egg in some scheme.

This explains the folly of feminism in relationships, leading to women to be less happy than before.

No, women are not as happy because they're not being treated fairly yet. They still do 70% of the childcare and housework, even if they have a job...even if they're the breadwinner.

Feminism isn't the problem. People's beliefs are the problem.

 

[Biblepaige]

I just had an epiphany with what I bolded. You seem to view your wife's behavior as the behavior of ALL women, just as you hear MY complaints about my late husband...or even SOME men I've known, as if my complaints extend to ALL men.

In other words, you're projecting your own experiences with your wife and a few women onto ALL women and onto ME.

Wrangler, what your wife told you, was appalling. And how you responded was brilliant. While living overseas, we had a young couple as next door neighbors. She was a SAHM wife with NO children, and I was a SAHM with two. Also, I drove...she didn't.

She traveled back to the states a few times a year, at her husband's expense. One time she was gone for a month. While she was gone, her husband invested in a new sound system. Value: $450. Once she came back, I took her grocery shopping. She started tossing all these expensive items into the cart. I looked at her cross-eyed and she said, "I'm getting even with "John". I went away for a month, and he bought himself a sound system. HE DIDN'T BUY ME NUTHIN'!!"

I was like, and THEN . I reminded her that her husband just spent over $600 on AIRFARE for her to go back to visit her friends and family in the states. PLUS, he gave her spending money, even though she was staying at her parent's house. The sound system is something that they BOTH can enjoy, while SHE was the only one who enjoyed that month-long vacay! Like you say Wrangler, S-I-L-E-N-C-E. I KNOW she wasn't willing to get a job, even though her husband worked TWO jobs.

In other words, I, as a woman, CALLED HER OUT. I don't like unfairness, whether it comes from a man OR a woman.

Just...no. It's not "women's" nature, because I, and SOME other women, are NOT like that.

Unfortunately threads like this let us know those who really dislike women.

 

[Wrangler]

This is a great short showing the hypocrisy of feminists. They hold out treating him as a wife until he first proves he's husband material. The woman who triumphed over feminism asks WHAT IF men think the same way? The vid ends by this women asking the feminist, who gives herself all kinds of credit for giving great dating advice, what is the name of her boyfriend again? S-I-L-E-N-C-E.

 

[Wrangler]

Unfortunately threads like this let us know those who really dislike women.

No, those who really dislike feminism. I love women. Hate feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

Some women have better judgment than their husbands.

Didn't you say something about opinions recently?

No one said anything different. However, it doesn't answer the question you keep dodging.