Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

Not very committed to equality, are you? Such is feminism.

I SAID that if HE invites HE pays, and if *I* invite, *I* pay! Is that not fair? To me that's not about "feministm"; that just plain common courtesy!

As a consequence of this lack of responsibility and sense of entitlement, many men are no longer taking NAG's on date's that cost anything. Women's response? Make vids complaining about it. Easier than taking responsibility.

Want me to post such vids?

Oh pleez don't post anymore videos...

 

[Mink57]

It most certainly is up to you to help someone become a better man! (And what is it with the quotes?) The entire purpose of woman's existence is to make the man a better man. That's Biblical. Eve made life better for Adam. That's why God created her! What are you talking about?! What kind of selfish world view do you have of relationships? If you don't make each other better, what is the point?! Abandoning this responsibility is yet another reason feminism is evil. Just EVIL!

There is NOTHING in the Bible that says even REMOTELY what you're talking about. There is NOTHING in the bible that says that the purpose of a woman's existence is to make the man a better man...ESPECIALLY since JESUS informed us that not ALL will marry.

Every woman I loved made me a better man. I'll never forget being publicly honored by my High School yearbook committee, along with about 5 other couples for being the loving couples we were. Frankly, I did not realize they were even aware of my 2-year relationship (a long time in high school). When they first told me and my gal to stand up, I did not know where it was going and felt protective of my love. Going from feeling a potential threat to public honor was a very, nice reversal.

She definitely made me a better man. In fact, my career has followed suit in pursuing Continuous Improvement. I embraced that Spirit at a tender age and only sought women who could step up to the plate, stand by my side in life's journey as we work to make our lives better through making each other better.

Today's feminists don't want to go through life's journey with a partner. They want the man to already be made, which is why they expect any prospective date to make $500K. Meanwhile, she's working for minimum at Walmart.

Yes, I want to man to already be a better man.
No, I don't expect ANY date/boyfriend/husband to make a 6 digit figure. As I explained before, I was NEVER with someone who made 6 digits.

And no, I never worked at WalMart.

Why do we have a relationship with God and Jesus and any relationship, really if not that it makes you better? Unbelievable!

A man will not make me into a better woman, and I have no interest in making a man a better man. Jesus will make me into a better woman IF he wants to.

 

[Mink57]

Life is not fair. Your utopian system is make believe, not obtainable in the real world. Another reason why feminism is evil.

THIS life isn't fair but...

Think it will be fair in Heaven?

 

[Wrangler]

@Mink57, when I read your victim stories of bad relationships with men while totally avoiding responsibilty and accountability, I'm reminded of this The Happy Wife School channel on youtube. I believe it could change your life for the better. The Happy Wife School.

In the vid below:

• Natalie Portman, a leading Competitive Feminist, declares that a woman is not responsible for her actions; that her bad actions are the fault of men.
• At the 7:50 mark the feminist declares that she does not care if what she says is contradictory.

 

[Wrangler]

I SAID that if HE invites HE pays

Revealing 2 things. You God complex and lack of responsibility. Who are you to make the rule? If you are a feminst and believe in equality, GO BE EQUAL. That includes being equal at each and every step.

This hypocritical post shows how feminists abandon equality when it benefits them.

 

[Mink57]

Revealing 2 things. You God complex and lack of responsibility. Who are you to make the rule? If you are a feminst and believe in equality, GO BE EQUAL. That includes being equal at each and every step.

This hypocritical post shows how feminists abandon equality when it benefits them.

WHY do you keep ignoring the rest of what I posted? And I'M not making up the rules. They're rules of ETIQUETTE and they're common knowledge.

"The traditional etiquette rule that the man covers the date hasn't kept up with the times, nor does it take into account who pays when it's a same-sex couple on a date.
Instead of defaulting to letting the fella pay, follow the birthday party rule: The one who did the inviting does the paying."

https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2016-09-22/who-picks-up-the-tab-when-paying-the-bill-in-5-awkward-situations

 

[Webers_Home]

"The Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil." (Gen
3:22)

In other words; Adam became a tin God, viz: Adam became his own guiding light, so to speak,
and the effect wasn't limited to him, no; his entire posterity, everyone all at one time that very
day, became a tin God too.

It's commonly believed that the tin-God syndrome (a.k.a. the so called fallen
nature) is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? Whence did Eve obtain it?

She was already fully constructed with material taken from Adam's body,
and fully sentient, prior to him tasting the forbidden fruit so was impossible
for Eve to obtain the tin-God syndrome from Adam by means of heredity.

Nor did she obtain it from the forbidden fruit because when Eve tasted it
nothing happened. She went right on in the buff unashamed as usual and
wasn't compelled to make herself a loin cloth till after Adam tasted the fruit,
at which time they both set to work with the fig leaves.
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[MA2444]

I was right. You DEFINITELY don't know what emotional intelligence is!
This from Wikipedia: "the ability to monitor one's own and other people's emotions, to discriminate between different emotions and label them appropriately, and to use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior".

Emotional intelligence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is a tall and stinky pile of crap. Wiki huh? No wonder your mixed up!

You might be thinking of Idealism or something like that. A woman who chooses the wrong man 5 times cant be pragmatic except after the fact. After the damage is done.

Your definition of emotional intelligence is quite polar opposite from emotional intelligence. Emotions should never guide our thinking. Unless you like bad relationships?

Matthew 7:13-14 "...For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Even if you made 10 "poor choices", they may have been for 10 different reasons. Wouldn't fault you for having standards.

Yeah but I didnt. Maybe one or two poor choices at the most.
But having standards as you call it, has something wrong with it if it leads you to 5 failed relationships, let alone 10! Don't you think? Or else you just cant learn from your mistakes?

Which doesnt make you emotionally intelligent. It makes you of a non pragmatic and low vaue emotional intelligence. I told you what emotional inteeligence is. The abilty to manage your emotions when they run high and to stay grounded in reality and therefore make sensible decisions with regard to who you are dating.

How dumb could you be, 5 times? !! They saw you coming. And you had no clue who they were. Oh they surprised me later on...Uh-huh...You aint that stupid so stop talking like it, lol.

Emotions may be for praying with, but I don't believe that they're ONLY for that reason.

Perhaps not. I thought about that after writing it and came up with anger/being very happy/surprised any situation which gives your emotions a jolt and gives you that dopamine, the girls fav! It seems like emotions warn us about something that is going to happen or did. Which makes us happy or sad or fearful or whatever. SOmetimes it is appropriate to act on emotions but not very often.

 

[MA2444]

I never said I was so "moral and pure", but I DID have standards. If I first meet you and tell you I own a dog and you say "I LOVE animals!"...and then after dating a few weeks I see you kick my dog, you're HISTORY. You HID your true self from me.

I grew up with animals and love dogs. And if you ever aid you wanted to get a cat, I'd prolly boot you out! Lol!! Cats always stink up the house, bleh.

It's not up to me to 'help' someone become a 'better' man. We have a whole book written on how to be a decent person, and it's called the Bible.

Fair enough. You were looking for a potential husband, not a Patient! I get that!

But it sounds like you hung out your shingle for more patients and you got them every time! What happened there? Those poor dumb scumbag men outsmart you? Now that shouldnt be!

After how many relationships did you begin looking towards the Bible?
And after how many more relationships did you decide that Biblical Patriarchy was not for you? Before or after your 10 year hiatus?

 

[Wynona]

@St. SteVen

I saw you posted a link about women in ministry but do you mind sharing your position on that?

 

[Wynona]

Today was a good example of being respectful without resorting to being a doormay, which is not helpful.

My husband seemed determined to get all the unpacked clutter out of the living room. Today I said, " The things in the living room will be fine if they sit there over the next frw days. The three of us (roommate included) will not if we don't take a break."

He said nothing but thats usually when he concedes an issue.

I can voice my thoughts, requests, opinions, and counsel respectfully without pushing my way in the results. Having a second, different perspective is useful and I would never advise a wife simply never share concerns or give up her voice to acknowledge headship.

The key is usually timing and the Holy Spirit can help me to know a good way to bring something up.

Now that submission has become habitual, my concerns hold more weight than in the past when we often power struggled.

 

[MA2444]

Maybe she figured you weren't REALLY serious that night, but just had the where-with-all to say...whatever you said and how you said it...to get her attention. Who knows.

Oh, and in your Joey How You Doin? voice, I'd quickly respond in my best Rachel voice (the time she and Ross were drunk and got married in Vegas), "I'm doin' good, baby, how YOU doin?"

That's a good comeback! I can see why the bad boys liked you.

And likewise, I could see red flags immediately sometimes, but not always.

Now you're changing your story. You said you couldnt see them because they were hiding them from you, to which I replied, so what you can still see them!

And I can't have the same attitude because...?

Oh you can have that attitude. But you said you couldnt see any red flags.
Now you say you could, but ye changing it up a bit now hey?

The red flags aren't always apparent IMMEDIATELY, especially the 'deal-breakers' I mentioned in the other post.

You are 100% wrong here. They are apparent immediately and are mostly not able to be hid, if you know what to look for. You don't. I get that.

I didn't "isolate" myself. I did a bunch of soul-searching. Began my Walk With God around that time, too. Jesus was in my life. He's the only "man" I need.

Well said.

I'm not "dumb." I'm so far out of the loop regarding drugs that unless someone was EXTREMELY high, I couldn't tell. A friend of mine from long ago, did a line of cocaine in front of me. I couldn't tell any difference in her behavior, speech, mannerisms, etc. People have also smoked weed in front of me. Again, I couldn't tell if they were high because they weren't acting any different. But again, if they were completely WASTED, I could tell they were on...something. But again, how often did I see that? I just wasn't exposed to that lifestyle because I REMOVED MYSELF from it.

What's a "tweeker"?

There's a whole science behind recognizing drug use, and some common sense. Sorta like reading body language almost but more.

A Tweeker is someone who does Speed. Like Meth heads. They usually all jittery and cant sit still.

 

[Wynona]

 

[Wynona]

I saw two women agreeing together that if their husbands did the dishes, it was for the household, not for them as wives. As in, they should not expect gratitude or praise as if they did something special for them.

We need to understand that the marriage relationship thrives on service and selflessness, not expectations.

I used to think I would never enjoy doing chores for my husband but once I quit my job, they all fell to me which seemed logical. I learned to take pride in doing this well and pleasure in making my husband feel relaxed and happy above nagging him about some chore.

Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant. Whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many. (Mark 10:43-45 somewhat paraphrased)

 

[Wynona]

 

[Mink57]

That's a good comeback! I can see why the bad boys liked you.

I don't know 'bout that. I went from being pretty shy to being quick-witted what seemed like almost overnight, between high school and college.

Now you're changing your story. You said you couldnt see them because they were hiding them from you, to which I replied, so what you can still see them!

I'm not changing anything. I could see them SOMETIMES. Other times, they were hidden. There are obvious red flags and red flags that are more subtle.

Oh you can have that attitude. But you said you couldnt see any red flags.
Now you say you could, but ye changing it up a bit now hey?

I said I didn't know what red flags were way back when, but that doesn't mean that I didn't know that something wasn't right. If someone says, "Don't let him disrespect you..." there are a NUMBER of ways once can disrespect you. And when in my teens, I certainly didn't know them ALL.

You are 100% wrong here. They are apparent immediately and are mostly not able to be hid, if you know what to look for. You don't. I get that.

No, they're not. If they were apparent immediately, I never would have accepted a date from them in the first place. I may have dated a "few" men, but that doesn't mean that I accepted EVERY invitation for dates. Not even close!

Well said.

Thank you. He's been my fortress. My rock. Since he's been in my life, I have felt no 'calling' to be with any man...which is o.k. with me.

There's a whole science behind recognizing drug use, and some common sense. Sorta like reading body language almost but more.

Is there? Really? I never knew! The drug culture is so foreign to me!

A Tweeker is someone who does Speed. Like Meth heads. They usually all jittery and cant sit still.

Thanks! I learned something! Probably a piece of information I'll never have to use! I see people on the street (here in Las Vegas) like that all the time. I figured it was probably drugs but...I wouldn't have been able to say what kind.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen

I saw you posted a link about women in ministry but do you mind sharing your position on that?

I agree with the white paper. It should be read in total. But...
This is a good summary statement of the biblical model of women in ministry roles.

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Biblical Examples of Women in Ministry​

Old Testament history includes accounts of strong female leadership in many roles. The following are striking examples: Miriam was a prophet to Israel during the Exodus, alongside her brothers Moses and Aaron (Exodus 15:20). Deborah, both a prophet and a judge, directed Barak to lead the army of Israel into successful combat against Israel’s oppressors (Judges 4 to 5). Huldah, also a prophet, authenticated the scroll of the Law found in the temple and helped spark religious reform in the days of Josiah (2 Kings 22:14–20; 2 Chronicles 34:22–28).

The New Testament also shows that women filled important ministry roles in the Early Church. Tabitha (Dorcas) initiated an effective benevolence ministry (Acts 9:36). Philip’s four unmarried daughters were recognized prophets (Acts 21:8,9). Paul singled out two women, Euodia and Syntyche, as “women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers” (Philippians 4:2,3). Priscilla was another of Paul’s exemplary “fellow workers in Christ Jesus” (Romans 16:3,4). In Romans 16, Paul greets numerous ministry colleagues, a large number of them women. In these greetings, the word Paul uses to speak of the work (kopiao), or labor, of Mary, Tryphena, Tryphosa, and Persis (Romans 16:6,12) is one he uses extensively for the labor of ministry (1 Corinthians 16:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:12; 1 Timothy 5:17).

Phoebe, a leader in the church at Cenchrea, was highly commended to the church at Rome by Paul (Romans 16:1,2). Unfortunately, translation biases have often obscured Phoebe’s position of leadership, calling her a “servant” (NIV, NASB, ESV). Yet Phoebe was diakonos of the church at Cenchrea. Paul regularly used this term for a minister or leader of a congregation and applied it specifically to Jesus Christ, Tychicus, Epaphras, Timothy, and to his own ministry. Depending on the context, diakonos is usually translated “deacon” or “minister.” Though some translators have chosen the word deaconess (e.g., RSV, because Phoebe was female), the Greek diakonos is a masculine noun. Therefore, it seems likely that diakonos was the designation for an official leadership position in the Early Church and the proper translation for Phoebe’s role is “deacon” (TNIV, NLT, NRSV) or “minister.”

Moreover, a number of translations reflect similar biases by referring to Phoebe as having been a “great help” (NIV) or “helper” (NASB) of many, including Paul himself (Romans 16:2). The Greek term here is prostatis, better translated by the NRSV as “benefactor” with its overtones of equality and leadership.

Junia was identified by Paul as an apostle (Romans 16:7). Beginning in the thirteenth century, a number of scholars and translators masculinized her name to Junias, apparently unwilling to admit that there was a female apostle. However, the name Junia is found more than 250 times in Rome alone, while the masculine form Junias is unknown in any Greco-Roman source. Paul clearly was a strong advocate of women in ministry.

These instances of women filling leadership roles in the Bible should be taken as a divinely approved pattern, not as exceptions to divine decrees. Even a limited number of women with scripturally commended leadership roles affirm that God does indeed call women to spiritual leadership. Source

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[Wynona]

I agree with the white paper. It should be read in total. But...
This is a good summary statement of the biblical model of women in ministry roles.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Biblical Examples of Women in Ministry​

Old Testament history includes accounts of strong female leadership in many roles. The following are striking examples: Miriam was a prophet to Israel during the Exodus, alongside her brothers Moses and Aaron (Exodus 15:20). Deborah, both a prophet and a judge, directed Barak to lead the army of Israel into successful combat against Israel’s oppressors (Judges 4 to 5). Huldah, also a prophet, authenticated the scroll of the Law found in the temple and helped spark religious reform in the days of Josiah (2 Kings 22:14–20; 2 Chronicles 34:22–28).

The New Testament also shows that women filled important ministry roles in the Early Church. Tabitha (Dorcas) initiated an effective benevolence ministry (Acts 9:36). Philip’s four unmarried daughters were recognized prophets (Acts 21:8,9). Paul singled out two women, Euodia and Syntyche, as “women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers” (Philippians 4:2,3). Priscilla was another of Paul’s exemplary “fellow workers in Christ Jesus” (Romans 16:3,4). In Romans 16, Paul greets numerous ministry colleagues, a large number of them women. In these greetings, the word Paul uses to speak of the work (kopiao), or labor, of Mary, Tryphena, Tryphosa, and Persis (Romans 16:6,12) is one he uses extensively for the labor of ministry (1 Corinthians 16:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:12; 1 Timothy 5:17).

Phoebe, a leader in the church at Cenchrea, was highly commended to the church at Rome by Paul (Romans 16:1,2). Unfortunately, translation biases have often obscured Phoebe’s position of leadership, calling her a “servant” (NIV, NASB, ESV). Yet Phoebe was diakonos of the church at Cenchrea. Paul regularly used this term for a minister or leader of a congregation and applied it specifically to Jesus Christ, Tychicus, Epaphras, Timothy, and to his own ministry. Depending on the context, diakonos is usually translated “deacon” or “minister.” Though some translators have chosen the word deaconess (e.g., RSV, because Phoebe was female), the Greek diakonos is a masculine noun. Therefore, it seems likely that diakonos was the designation for an official leadership position in the Early Church and the proper translation for Phoebe’s role is “deacon” (TNIV, NLT, NRSV) or “minister.”

Moreover, a number of translations reflect similar biases by referring to Phoebe as having been a “great help” (NIV) or “helper” (NASB) of many, including Paul himself (Romans 16:2). The Greek term here is prostatis, better translated by the NRSV as “benefactor” with its overtones of equality and leadership.

Junia was identified by Paul as an apostle (Romans 16:7). Beginning in the thirteenth century, a number of scholars and translators masculinized her name to Junias, apparently unwilling to admit that there was a female apostle. However, the name Junia is found more than 250 times in Rome alone, while the masculine form Junias is unknown in any Greco-Roman source. Paul clearly was a strong advocate of women in ministry.

These instances of women filling leadership roles in the Bible should be taken as a divinely approved pattern, not as exceptions to divine decrees. Even a limited number of women with scripturally commended leadership roles affirm that God does indeed call women to spiritual leadership. Source

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I have my doubts about the female apostle. An apostle travels and starts churches in various locations. Paul was against women having spiritual authority over men.

1 Timothy 2:12
King James Version
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

However, I do believe both men and women are all called to ministry. To minister is to serve. Leading is a type of ministry but there are so many others. You listed Tabitha, which is a great example. I also agree that women helped significantly in evangelism in the early church. Women also prophesy.

Here is a ministry I feel called to.

Titus 2:3-5
King James Version
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[Wrangler]

They're rules of ETIQUETTE

Sexist rules of etiquette are OK as long as they benefit men! It shows your lack of commitment to equality.

Guess what? Thanks to feminism, those rules of can no longer apply.

This is the evil of feminism. Women have the freedom of modern women by men ought to still be bound by traditional roles. That’s hypocrisy.

 

[Wrangler]

Instead of defaulting to letting the fella pay, follow the birthday party rule: The one who did the inviting does the paying."

Hence, MGTOW. Proving the ongoing sense of entitlement of feminists. If you want to be equal, go be equal.

This is why feminism has made sex relations worse. This rule doesn’t apply when guys go out with their buds. Why is that? Sex. Female privilege.

The last thing feminists want is equality when it does not benefit them.