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It is not considered biblical doctrine what the Pharisees said in the New Testament about Jesus. Not one thing that they ever said about Jesus was correct including that Jesus was of the devil. There is no doctrine from any credible New Testament writer that ever said only God can forgive sins. None.

Luke 5:
[24 a]But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins…

John 10:
[30] I JESUS and my Father God are one.

John 10:
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because JESUS that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Apparently you are not of Understanding the Heavenly Father, Son, Holy Spirit ARE…
ONE…ONE Lord God Almighty. Creator and Maker of ALL things. The First. The Last. Without Beginning. Without Ending. The ONLY Forgiver of SIN.

You can step up in your own place of a lowly Human and Forgive Trespasses.

 

[Peterlag]

Luke 5:
[24 a]But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins…

John 10:
[30] I JESUS and my Father God are one.

John 10:
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because JESUS that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Apparently you are not of Understanding the Heavenly Father, Son, Holy Spirit ARE…
ONE…ONE Lord God Almighty. Creator and Maker of ALL things. The First. The Last. Without Beginning. Without Ending. The ONLY Forgiver of SIN.

You can step up in your own place of a lowly Human and Forgive Trespasses.

This verse below that you quote proves that someone besides God can forgive sins. Because the verse says the Son of man can do that too.

Luke 5:
[24 a]But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins…

 

[Ronald Nolette]

None of the verses that you quote above teach what you are saying it teaches. Only you and the Catholics can twist the Scripture to see things that are not there.

Well then enlighten us. If they do not teach what they say, then what do they teach.

BTW Baptists, Evangelicals and 99% of those who profess to be Christian say they teach the divinity of Jesus. what say you?

 

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This verse below that you quote proves that someone besides God can forgive sins. Because the verse says the Son of man can do that too.

Luke 5:
[24 a]But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins…

Can’t Spiritually Understand FOR YOU.
Jesus and His Father are ONE and the SAME GOD, who CAN FORGIVE SIN.

 

[Peterlag]

Can’t Spiritually Understand FOR YOU.
Jesus and His Father are ONE and the SAME GOD, who CAN FORGIVE SIN.

You said only God can forgive sin. Where is that stated in the New Testament? Show me a place that says only God can forgive sins. And again, don't quote the unbelievers saying it for they did not provide biblical doctrine.

 

[Peterlag]

Well then enlighten us. If they do not teach what they say, then what do they teach.

BTW Baptists, Evangelicals and 99% of those who profess to be Christian say they teach the divinity of Jesus. what say you?

They are all a spin off from the Catholics. Scholars admit that there are only about eight verses in the entire New Testament that can be understood to say that Jesus is God, and every one of them can either be translated in a way that supports the Biblical Unitarian position, or disputed textually, or can be explained from the use of the word “God” in the culture.

 

[Taken]

You said only God can forgive sin. Where is that stated in the New Testament? Show me a place that says only God can forgive sins. And again, don't quote the unbelievers saying it for they did not provide biblical doctrine.

Rolleyes

1 John 1:
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If you are ignorant of WHO ”he” is that would be YOUR conundrum.

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, [B} I will be to him A Father, and HE shall be to me A Son? [/B]

Eph 1
[9] Having made known unto us (apparently NOT YOU), the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Your lack of Spiritual Understanding is beyond juvenile and boring to continue with you.

 

[Peterlag]

Rolleyes

1 John 1:
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If you are ignorant of WHO ”he” is that would be YOUR conundrum.

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, [B} I will be to him A Father, and HE shall be to me A Son? [/B]

Eph 1
[9] Having made known unto us (apparently NOT YOU), the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Your lack of Spiritual Understanding is beyond juvenile and boring to continue with you.

Not one verse above says only God can forgive sins. People (so called Christians) on these sites make up all kinds of stuff and say this is biblical doctrine. They cannot give a verse when I ask for one because they made the statement up. Or in your case they quote what the unbeliever said. When a verse cannot be provided because there is none. Then I'm often told there's something wrong with me for not seeing the verse that is not there.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They are all a spin off from the Catholics. Scholars admit that there are only about eight verses in the entire New Testament that can be understood to say that Jesus is God, and every one of them can either be translated in a way that supports the Biblical Unitarian position, or disputed textually, or can be explained from the use of the word “God” in the culture.

Baptists are not Catholic spinoffs, sorry.

The unitarian position is not biblical and cite me one greek scholar who gives a textual dispute. Specificity and not a simple generic accusation is needed Peter.

And as all but 2 of the NT books are written by Jewish believers, they would not bandy about the term god casually.

 

[Behold]

You said only God can forgive sin. Where is that stated in the New Testament? Show me a place that says only God can forgive sins. And again, don't quote the unbelievers saying it for they did not provide biblical doctrine.

One of the ways that we understand that a verse is "taken out of context" is by this rule.

If 343 verses say "NO"< and 1 verse says "YES"< then you dont use the ONE VERSE to try to prove the 343 are wrong.

See that?
That is what HERETICS do.

Now....Notice...

This..... = "you are given the keys.... "whatever you bind".... "the sin you forgive".

That one talks about Peter "the Rock" and a few cults decided that God built the Body of Christ on "Peter".

So, we see that all it takes is one verse, and then here come the heretics who take one verse, and they twist it into the creation of A theology, and even INTO the creation of a false "church".

Now, you have this one verse that says..>"whose=ever sin you forgive"..

And then you have 27 NT Epistles, mostly written by Paul, and you wont find a verse in 27 Epistles where an Apostle forgives anyones sin.

So, why is that?

Its because "that ROCK is CHRIST" and not Peter, and its because YOU can't forgive anyone's Sin.

Only God can do this, as Only God provided THE WAY .. John 14:6... to do it. = The CROSS of CHRIST., and that is not Peter, and its not any PRIEST or any Believer, born again.

 

[Peterlag]

One of the ways that we understand that a verse is "taken out of context" is by this rule.

If 343 verses say "NO"< and 1 verse says "YES"< then you dont use the ONE VERSE to try to prove the 343 are wrong.

See that?
That is what HERETICS do.

Now....Notice...

This..... = "you are given the keys.... "whatever you bind".... "the sin you forgive".

That one talks about Peter "the Rock" and a few cults decided that God built the Body of Christ on "Peter".

So, we see that all it takes is one verse, and then here come the heretics who take one verse, and they twist it into the creation of A theology, and even INTO the creation of a false "church".

Now, you have this one verse that says..>"whose=ever sin you forgive"..

And then you have 27 NT Epistles, mostly written by Paul, and you wont find a verse in 27 Epistles where an Apostle forgives anyones sin.

So, why is that?

Its because "that ROCK is CHRIST" and not Peter, and its because YOU can't forgive anyone's Sin.

Only God can do this, as Only God provided THE WAY .. John 14:6... to do it. = The CROSS of CHRIST., and that is not Peter, and its not any PRIEST or any Believer, born again.

So you have a verse from the New Testament that says only God can forgive sin? Please provide it here.

 

[Peterlag]

Baptists are not Catholic spinoffs, sorry.

The unitarian position is not biblical and cite me one greek scholar who gives a textual dispute. Specificity and not a simple generic accusation is needed Peter.

And as all but 2 of the NT books are written by Jewish believers, they would not bandy about the term god casually.

All Protestants groups are spin offs from the Catholics and they believe the same doctrine as the Catholics do. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[Behold]

So you have a verse from the New Testament that says only God can forgive sin? Please provide it here.

Jesus said that He is the only way to the Father.. ."all that come to the Father, come by ME".

John 14:6

See that "ME". that is the "narrow way". that is the "straight gate"

That excludes any other means to try to have sin forgiven.
So, we find that only God provided Jesus as "The Way" to be forgiven.

Jesus is the only ONE.. the only WAY.

Jesus said. 'I and my Father are ONE".

Jesus said "If you've seen ME, you've seen The Father".

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus said that He is the only way to the Father.. ."all that come to the Father, come by ME".

John 14:6

See that "ME". that is the "narrow way". that is the "straight gate"

That excludes any other means to try to have sin forgiven.
So, we find that only God provided Jesus as "The Way" to be forgiven.

Jesus is the only ONE.. the only WAY.

Jesus said. 'I and my Father are ONE".

Jesus said "If you've seen ME, you've seen The Father".

Now since I like you just a little bit I want to see if I understand you. You have no verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sin. But you do have a verse or two that says Jesus can forgive sin. And that to me means there's at least two who can forgive sin. God and Jesus Christ. Now where am I wrong?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All Protestants groups are spin offs from the Catholics and they believe the same doctrine as the Catholics do. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

You are very wrong about much of Romanism was spun off to protestantism. The Episcopalians and Lutherans to a measure but the rest , no!

Water baptism is relevant but not for salvation, but discipleship.

Just remember you said this:

They are all a spin off from the Catholics. Scholars admit that there are only about eight verses in the entire New Testament that can be understood to say that Jesus is God, and every one of them can either be translated in a way that supports the Biblical Unitarian position, or disputed textually, or can be explained from the use of the word “God” in the culture.

Jesus is called Jehovah of Hosts in Is. 44:6 so all passages that say Jehovah of Hosts refer to HIM!

Why is this important? For the Bible Scholars and great translators of Jesus day were experts in knowing the word of God. but Jesus had this to say of them:

John 5:38-40

King James Version

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38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Elohim= plural of Elowah
Adonai=plural of Adon.

God said LET us make man in our4 image- Man is made in the image of God alone!

Jesusis Emmanuel= God with us!

Sorry Peterlag but the Unitarian/Watchtower position is unbiblical.

 

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Not one verse above says only God can forgive sins. People (so called Christians) on these sites make up all kinds of stuff and say this is biblical doctrine. They cannot give a verse when I ask for one because they made the statement up.

Regarding your accusations Against persons broadly identifying themselves in the Association of “CHRISTIAN”….

First of all…the TERM “CHRISTIAN” IS BROAD TERM…simply meaning a FOLLOWER of JESUS CHRIST and the TEACHINGS OF HIS GOSPEL.
** AT ANY TIME this individual, By his OWN power, and exercise of his OWN freewill CAN STOP Following, Reject, Denounce his Following and Association With God, With Jesus Christ, With Gods Word, With Christ the Lord Jesus’ Gospel.
** In Just manner, in turn, the Lord God WILL acknowledge that Individuals DESIRE, and LIKE-WISE, LEAVE that Individual.

Secondly….there are EXPRESS persons who call themselves and others call them “CHRISTIANS”, which IS “THEIR” Right to “associate” with whomever “THEY” please…
WITHOUT REGARD of YOUR OPINION.

Thirdly….the TERM “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN” or “CONVERTED CHRISTIAN”has a different MEANING than the Term “CHRISTIAN”.

Fourthly…the TERM “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN” or “CONVERTED CHRISTIAN”…
EXPRESSLY Applies to an Individual, who “HAS” FREELY, exercised his RIGHT to GIVE God CONTROL OVER his WHOLE…(body, soul, spirit) Being…
He has given his OWN (Bodily) LIFE (BLOOD), unto DEATH …. GIVEN God Authority to SAVE (restore his soul)…GIVEN God Authority to QUICKEN his own natural spirit into a spiritual spirit (born of Gods SEED)….expressly FOR that mans CONFESSION of Love, Belief, Trust IN the Lord God Almighty).
** AND THAT mans ACT, is promulgated, BY the Individuals TRUE HEARTFUL CONFESSION.
** THIS Individual CAN NEVER “reject” the Lord God.
** THIS Relationship between God and That individual IS ESTABLISHED ….
“ONCE and FOREVER”.
** THIS Relationship IS “MAINTAINED”, by, through, of….THE SPIRITUAL POWER “OF GOD”, that which HAS Spiritually ENTERED INTO that mans BODY….Fulfilling Gods Promise to FOREVER KEEP that man WITH GOD!
** [B THIS RELATIONSHIP decision COMES with a WARNING….[/B]

** BE SURE of YOUR Decision to implement a Relationship WITH the Lord God…IT’S PERMANENT!

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Learn the HISTORY…
* God established A marriage UNION between one man and one woman.
* The INTENT, was for one man and one woman, so long as they both be alive, that they REMAIN in their “committed” marriage relationship….
*. Whelp…that has become a very acceptable FAILURE. Revealing the WEAKNESS of the Power of man.
* A COMMITMENT made unto God, of ONE individual….(is NOT “KEPT…MAINTAINED”…by the Power of man, who has historically PROVED, the majority are FAILURES in maintaining their Commitments.)
* A COMMITMENT heartfully, truthfully, Freely MADE between A man and God…IS KEPT by the Power of God….FYI, which IS the SUPREME POWER of ALL POWER.

Continued…to your next point.

 

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@Peterlag

Continued….You IGNORING the Content of the Old Testament…

The OT is FULL of Laws, Statutes, PRECEPTS, SECRETS, EXAMPLES

When You IGNORE the OT content, YOU FAIL (by, through, of, in) the NT…TO KNOW IF:
Laws, are ongoing or fulfilled /obsolete
Statutes, are ongoing or fulfilled /obsolete
Precepts, are ongoing or obsolete
Secrets, are knowledge Revealed
Examples, resulting WITH or WITHOUT God.

Scripture…IS GODS APPROVED “KNOWLEDGE”, in written form, FOR the “EXPRESS Benefit” Of man-KIND to be EXPOSED TO…via. Hearing and Reading.

RARELY DOES Scripture point blank Give. Gods “UNDERSTANDING” In the Written Word of God.

(Gods UNDERSTANDING of His OWN KNOWLEDGE, IS DIRECTLY ( Given FROM God TO the Individual…SUPERNATURALLY…Gods Spirit to the mans spirit).

Your DEMANDS…(IGNORE the Old Testament) is ludicrous, elementary, juvenile, unworthy to conclude Gods Truth.

Your DEMAND… You require SCRIPTURE be Written “word for word”, as a man “expresses his Understanding.”

I said…”Only Gods Forgives SIN”…
THAT IS MY CONCLUSION…FROM “MY” study of Scripture…
….OT men OF ISRAEL, Gods People…WHO one on one conversed with God, WHO recognized and stated they sinned Against God and ONLY God forgives SIN…
…NT men OF ISRAEL, Gods People, WHO ALSO recognized and STATED, God ONLY forgives SIN…(as they were challenging JESUS for forgiving a persons SIN.)

IN Jesus’ FEW short YEARS ON EARTH…
Gods PEOPLE “ISRAEL”, were being Introduced to Gods PROMISED MESSIAH…and HE was NOT “what the Jewish People Expected”…(a nobody man from Nazareth, no wealth, no kingdom, no army)…YES,
Absolutely The TRIBESMEN were Skeptical.

At the VERY same time ISRAEL was being introduced to Gods Christ Messiah…the Gentiles were being introduced to …
The INVISIBLE Jewish God…and His VISIBLE Christ Messiah.

IT IS ONLY YOUR dilemma, and option of Freewill, to Decide, Choose your OWN Belief….ISRAEL…Gods People have a 4,000 year head-start, of particular things that applied to them, that had nothing to do with Gentiles.

Yes …A man CAN SIN Against God…IS a man not Believing. IN God.
Yes….A man CAN ALSO Encourage others to NOT believe…also is AGAINST God.
Yes….Oneself Preaching TO NOT BELIEVE IN God, is a SIN Against God.
Yes…SIN IS AGAINST God.
Yes…ONLY God FORGIVES SIN.
Yes…A man CAN SIN AGAINST Jesus.
Yes…SIN Against God, Against JESUS…IS a man NOT Believing IN God, not believing IN Jesus.
* IT IS ONLY…The Lord God Almighty WHO “IS” Divine…ie SINLESS.
* IT is ONLY…a man AGAINST, the Lord God Almighty…THAT REQUIRES FORGIVENESS…for the man to BECOME “MADE” Quickened, born again, and thus have a SECURItY, to FOREVeR BE IwTH the Lord God Almighby.

* THAT SIN…and THAT FORGIVENESS….and THAT RECONCILIATION…IS ONLY Applicable REGARDING THE OFFERING and WORKS OF THEE ONE SINLESS DIVINE…
Lord God Almighty.

If you think a Lowly man, whose own power ranks Lower that the Created powerful Angels,who themselves HAVE NO authority TO forgive SIN Against God…

You have neither studied Scripture or failed miserably to understand the gravity of the difference between OFFENSES of man AGAINST GOD…and. OFFENSES of men against men….THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!

Men are NOT taught men are Divine, HOLY, SINLESS..
Men are NOT taught to BELIEVE IN men.
Men are NOT taught man is a mans Savior.
Men are taught tO “FORGIVE”…
TRESPASSES and DEBTS…

Men are NOT God…
GOD IS ONE…Lord God Almighty.
Leave the Forgiveness of SIN where it belongs…WITH GOD!

 

[Peterlag]

You are very wrong about much of Romanism was spun off to protestantism. The Episcopalians and Lutherans to a measure but the rest , no!

Water baptism is relevant but not for salvation, but discipleship.

Just remember you said this:


Jesus is called Jehovah of Hosts in Is. 44:6 so all passages that say Jehovah of Hosts refer to HIM!

Why is this important? For the Bible Scholars and great translators of Jesus day were experts in knowing the word of God. but Jesus had this to say of them:

John 5:38-40​

​

King James Version​

​

​

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Elohim= plural of Elowah
Adonai=plural of Adon.

God said LET us make man in our4 image- Man is made in the image of God alone!

Jesusis Emmanuel= God with us!

Sorry Peterlag but the Unitarian/Watchtower position is unbiblical.

What is a Unitarian/Watchtower position?

 

[Behold]

Now since I like you just a little bit I want to see if I understand you.

Thank you.
I like you also.

You have no verse in the New Testament that says only God can forgive sin.

The Cross is the "one Way"., according to the NT.
Jesus said, "I am THE WAY".
This is the "Narrow way", its the Only Way...
Its the ONE WAY.
1.) Jesus is Salvation.

So, as only Jesus was provided by God as the Sacrifice for the sin of the world... then When Jesus says/. .. "No person comes to the Father, but by ME".. then that is the one verse, that is proclaiming the only Way that God can forgive sin.

Notice again.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME...... Eternal Sacrifice for SIN"...

not Peter
Not Paul
Not "behold"
Not you.
Not the "cult of the virgin" or its black robed Priests.

Jesus is the only WAY, that God has provided, which is qualified to forgive our Sins.

Only a Sinless SACRIFICE can be THE ONE WAY....

See all that?

That's one verse.. its one Phrase. Its one TRUTH.

A.) Only Jesus Saves.

 

[Peterlag]

Thank you.
I like you also.



The Cross is the "one Way"., according to the NT.
Jesus said, "I am THE WAY".
This is the "Narrow way", its the Only Way...
Its the ONE WAY.
1.) Jesus is Salvation.

So, as only Jesus was provided by God as the Sacrifice for the sin of the world... then When Jesus says/. .. "No person comes to the Father, but by ME".. then that is the one verse, that is proclaiming the only Way that God can forgive sin.

Notice again.

"Jesus is the ONE TIME...... Eternal Sacrifice for SIN"...

not Peter
Not Paul
Not "behold"
Not you.
Not the "cult of the virgin" or its black robed Priests.

Jesus is the only WAY, that God has provided, which is qualified to forgive our Sins.

Only a Sinless SACRIFICE can be THE ONE WAY....

See all that?

That's one verse.. its one Phrase. Its one TRUTH.

A.) Only Jesus Saves.

The Lord must like you because I do not feel inspired to add or subtract to what you just said.