Revelation 12:1 - 12:5 looks like it should be fulfilled September 15-19, 2023

[Davy]

Oh brother... we have people here who are trying to interpret prophecies with astronomy. Revelation 12:1-2 has nothing to do with space.

More like astrology if you ask me.

 

[Davy]

It says that a great sign appears in heaven:

"And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.​

John is merely being given a representation of that "woman" symbolizing Israel. Genesis 37 in Joseph's dream is where those symbols of the 12 stars, sun, and moon, are given:

Gen 37:9-10
9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, "Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me."

10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, "What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?"
KJV

Easy peasy:
sun = Jacob
moon = Jacob's wife
eleven stars = Joseph's brothers (Joseph making 12)

And then it says that another sign, a second sign, appears in heaven:

The sign appears in heaven.

"And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems.​

Revelation 12:9 tells us the title of "dragon" is another name for Satan. Thus Satan is that "red dragon".

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

That particular ten horns, seven heads, and only 7 crowns... was when Satan drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth in rebellion with him, in the 1st world earth age which God destroyed at Genesis 1:2, which is why the earth laid a waste and a ruin at Genesis 1:2.

Therefore, Revelation 12 is showing us the earth beast kingdom that Satan originally rebelled against God with, and God destroyed it off the earth.

Then that red dragon awaits to devour Abel, of the Seed of the Woman that Christ would be born through. The man Child in the next verse 5 represents Jesus Christ.

Rev.12:6 represents the 1st half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27, i.e. the last 7 years of this present world. So at verse 6 is where Revelation 12 moves the prophetic line to modern times.

I know Satan, working through Herod, tried to kill baby Jesus in the first century. But the Son of Man was caught up to God and to His throne. But this isn't JUST about that. The subject of the prophecy is about a sign that appears in heaven. And another sign, a second sign, that also appears in heaven.

These would seem to be describing a celestial representation of real events that have taken place. A prophetic prologue to Satan, the great dragon that was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, prior to his attack on God's People throughout medieval Europe.

The Revelation 12:7-9 Scripture is still... yet to happen today. That is NOT about Satan's rebellion of old in the 1st world earth age.

The Revelation 12:7-17 verses ALL... go together within the same timeline. This is EASY to know simply because the Rev.12:10 verse declares Christ's Salvation, something that NEVER happened back at Satan's originally fall. And, Revelation 12:11 points to the martyrs of the 5th Seal of Rev.6, which is ONLY for the very end of this world, during the "great tribulation" time. Then Rev.12:17 especially, about God's elect that keep His commandments and HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

So one would have to be Biblically illiterate to think that happened in sometime in past history, or even at Satan's original fall. And that is probably why you are PUSHING all that astrology stuff, TO TRY AND CONFUSE THE ACTUAL MEANING OF REVELATION 12.

All this means brethren in Christ, another Judaizer trying to sneak in has bitten the dust.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Has nothing to do with space?

That is correct.

It says that a great sign appears in heaven:

What heaven? Do you understand what the Lord talked about in Revelation 12? For example, you quoted:

"And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.​

And then it says that another sign, a second sign, appears in heaven:

The sign appears in heaven.

"And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems.​

We see verses with heaven, woman, sun moon stars, crown, dragon, seven heads, ten horns, etc. The problem is people like you as a natural man with a carnal mind will think God is talking about literal things in heaven. Sorry to disappoint you this is not how God wanted us to understand. IT takes spiritual discernment to u understand what God is talking about it.

For example, the woman in Revelation 12 symbolizes the Congregation of God (Covenant Israel). The congregation of God is often symbolized as a woman who is betrothed to God. The heaven here is symbolizing the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN on Earth where the congregation dwells. Not literally a woman floating in space or an astronomy fantasy. Selah!

‘Dragon' Feature on Mars - NASA Science

Part of the canyon floor and wall rock in southwestern Melas Chasma on Mars meanders in a pattern resembling a dragon.

mars.nasa.gov

So? It is "NOT" literally a dragon, isn't it? Come on! Just like many images out there, people are making claims of seeing angels, Christ, the devil, etc. Get real. Time to get back to Scripture and find God's interpretation in there! Not National Geography or Popular Science.

As for the rest of your post filled with nonsense, I won't respond. None of it comes close to the Biblical Truth.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Revelation 12:1 - 12:5 is in reference to the stars in sky.

False!

The stars are messengers of the congregation, Israel. Children of God are as STARS because when Christ dwell within them they take on the responsibility to bring the light o f theLord to the World. For example, they are vessels or messengers carrying the light in the darkness. We are in Christ, and He is in us, therefore we are lesser lights to light the earth. This is why stars are used in scirpture to symbolize the servants or messengers of the Lord. You need to learn to allow Scirpture to interpret itself, not your favorite space magazine, for the Lord "reveals" to us the myserty of this symbolism of the stars. We read:

Rev 1:20

• The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Here God has unambiguously revealed to us the "symbolism" of what the Candlesticks represented, and what the stars represented. The Candlesticks signified the Churches and the stars signified the messengers (angels) of the Churches. And so once again there is no need to speculate or guess what it symbolizes. God tells us plainly!
These 12 stars are representing the messengers of the congregation of Israel. The number 12 in scripture often specifically identifies with the lord's congregation. The 12 tribes which represented the Old Covenant with Israel, and the 12 Apostles representing the New Covenant with israel. They all symbolize the same thing. That these are the messengers or Servants of God in the Kingdom of heaven.

The 12 Stars are arranged as a Crown to illustrate that they are Kings and they reign. Crowns in scripture are symbolic of a kingdom or reign. They are her crown, a Kingdom of Priests because they are in Christ. This is just as God said of the Old Testament Congregation,

Exodus 19:5

• "..And ye shall be unto Me, a Kingdom of priests, and a Holy nation."

Note (not coincidentally) that God says the same thing of the New Testament Congregation,

1st Peter 2:9

• "But ye are a Chosen generation, a Kingly Priesthood, an Holy Nation.."

These things aren't incidental, God is equating the Old Covenant congregation of God and the New Covenant congregation of God. They have the same promises and agreements because both Covenants are with the same Israel. In the New Covenant side of the cross, it has been confirmed, or strengthened (Hebrews 9:16-17) and made new in Christ's blood. The Covenant is with this woman. Her messengers are her crown in Christ, Kings (rev 5:9-10) and Priests unto God.

Of course, the "type" was set long ago when Israel's son Joseph had a dream, and he dreamed that his 11 brothers (or tribes of his father Israel) were symbolized by eleven stars. You see, God is alerting us that the stars represent the Children of Israel (Genesis 37:9-10). God Interprets these things for us as He knows what He is doing even when we do not. These 12 stars a crown of the woman symbolize "The Children of Israel" in Christ.

And so this first verse tells us that this woman (Covenant Israel) is clothed with the righteousness or light of Christ, and that Christ by that light guides her steps or lights her path. And that the messengers as little lights of Christ, reign in Christ as Kings and Priests unto God. This woman in Heaven symbolizes the congregation of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Therefore, the vision of Revelation 12 has NOTHING to do with space literally!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Looks like there's two Revelation 12 signs, 7 years apart.
And two solar eclipses 7 years apart.

There are other reasons that lead me to seriously suspect that the same prophetic "time", that Jesus was talking about early in mark, is fulfilled.

Again.

“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.​

Sigh... You love to interpret based on secular magazines, astronomy etc. I get it but you got it all wrong, sorry. Nothing in Revelation is talking about two eclipses crossing over America 7 years apart. That is a speculation and private interpretation on your part.

And the verse you quoted in Luke 21:25-26 is not something you made it out of. Again spiritual discernment. Remember the woman with the sun, moon and stars which has everything to do with the congregation of Israel. Per the verse, it is talking about the New Testament congregation prior to the Second Coming, so the signs in the sun, moon, and stars at that time are about the JUDGMENT of this unfaithful congregation! LIke I said before, people like you with the carnal mind will be looking for PHYSICAL SIGNS, physical stars falling, etc. Wrong! Those signs are SPIRITUAL in nature. You may say, "hey the verse seems to prophesy of literal danger and trauma going on," but the operative word there is "seems" to be physical danger.

Listen, there are two things to consider. If these signs were physical, there would be no signs at all BECAUSE we always have and always will have great earthquakes, famines, wars, eclipses, and rumors of wars. These are NOT Biblical signs at all, they are normative for the world. There are those Christians who add that this must then be speaking of really massive physical signs so that they're not normative. But if that were the case, then again we have a contradiction, because then everyone would see the signs and it could "NEVER" be business as usual (as required by these scriptures). No, the only way to understand these signs is the way God intended them to be understood. By comparing scripture with scripture and letting God be the interpreter. Then we see that the only way that some see these signs and others do not (business as usual) is by understanding the symbolic nature of the scriptures. Understanding which comes only in the mind of Christ. Spiritual signs are revealed in symbolic language.
God is talking about His New Testament unfaithful congregation. It can fall and come under judgment of God just as easily as national Israel were when they forsake their first love. The judgment of God is that their candlestrick will be moved out of its place, their light has gone out, they become delusional, spiritually insane, perplexed and in confusion. This is a portrait of spiritual night terrors upon the congregation of Israel where false prophets and christs (signifies as stars falling). This is what happens when the POWERS of the heaven (kingdom of Heaven, congregation of Israel) are SHAKEN, the stars (messengers) fall to the earth no more to be reflectors of God's light. This is their judgment. The powers of the Kingdom of heaven are symbolically the sun, moon and stars, representing the lights of God's kingdom! Selah! The same stars in Revelation 11 said Satan cast down to the earth the moment the old testament congregation fell when Christ went to the Cross! Same thing! This means these lights will be put out as God's judgment on the unfaithful congregation, so Luke 21 is talking about the fall of New Testament congregation (not Israel in the Middle East) prior to Second Coming. That is why churches all over the world are spiritually in apostasy today. If you have spiritual eyes to see!


Otherwise, go and have fun playing with literal balls of nuclear fusion out in space, and let me know how some of these will come down crashing upon this poor planet called Earth. You must be dreaming! :)