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Bring words of encouragement, and not words to tear down.

It was intended as words of encouragement.... How one reads into them is where tearing down comes into play. If I ask you, "did you take my phone?" One can view this as an inquiry, or an accusation.... It was intended as an honest inquiry, adding to the Point @Behold made. I do not disagree with his initial point but am adding to it a greater depth of understanding as to hearing what the Spirit says to us is more important than just being studious intellectually.

You ever read a passage over and over again, and have one understanding of that passage, and then one day the Holy Ghost shows you a whole new understanding of it?
 
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It was intended as words of encouragement.... How one reads into them is where tearing down comes into play. If I ask you, "did you take my phone?" One can view this as an inquiry, or an accusation.... It was intended as an honest inquiry, adding to the Point @Behold made. I do not disagree with his initial point but am adding to it a greater depth of understanding as to hearing what the Spirit says to us is more important than just being studious intellectually.

You ever read a passage over and over again, and have one understanding of that passage, and then one day the Holy Ghost shows you a whole new understanding of it?



Did you seriously consider my words, or do you merely skim over them until you find something that you feel you have to defend yourself against?



"do you merely rely on your intellectual prowess to understand the Word of God?" is not the same sort of question as "did you take my phone?" Particularly when contrasted with receiving spiritual understanding.

Much love!
 
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Would you not say the millennial reign is a time of restoration to those who are righteous, or are you one of those who do not believe in the Millennial reign?

The Bible says, "And he (God) shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution (or reconstitution or restoration) of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:20-21)

According to Scripture, the earth to come or age to come are perfect, renewed and incorrupt according to Scripture. According to Premillennialism, it is more-of-the-same. In your theology: corruption continues on, the wicked continue on, sin continues on, death continues on, war continues on, rebellion continues on. In your thinking, the second coming is not the closing of time, corruption, Satan and all evil, it is just a transition to the same old same old.

All of the prophets spoke about a time when there would be a renewal of all things. They look forward with expectancy to a time when the curse would be finally removed from creation. This reading locates the time of the fulfilment of the “restitution of all things” as occurring at the Second Advent. This glorious final event sees the elimination of the old temporal degenerate state, and the introducing of the new perfect one. It is not merely the restitution of some things or even most things as some would have us believe, but (in complete agreement with the previous passage we looked at in 1 Peter 4:3-7), of “all things.”

This passage is clear in its instruction: “the heaven must receive (or dechomai, or detain)” Jesus Christ “until the times of restitution of all things.” Just like heaven “received him” (Acts 1:9) nearly 2,000 years ago; it will continue to detain Christ until the “the times of restitution of all things.” Interestingly, the word until used here is the Greek word achri (Strong's 891), which carries the idea of a terminus of time and meaning of up until or up to. It is variously interpreted in the King James Version as far as, for, into, till, even unto, even until.

The termination of this prolonged period – namely the climactic Second Advent – corresponds with the “reconstitution of all things” – thus the introducing of the “new heavens and a new earth” and the eternal state. Christ, therefore, will not appear until the consummation of all things, which is the time when every enemy of Christ and His kingdom are finally destroyed, when this sin-cursed world is destroyed, and the time when the kingdom of God will be finally revealed in all its glory.

This is another conclusive passage that supports Amil and refutes Premil. Premil has 'the restoration of some things'. Their anticipated future millennium is a sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted kingdom like our own. It is not the perfect state they portray. Frankly they try and place a square peg into a round hole. Can we honestly say that a restoration of all things can truly be fulfilled and presented to an earth that remains under the curse, where sin, death and decay still plague and reign among mankind? Would not the wholesale removal of the curse from a regenerated earth be the only viable occurrence? Wouldn't that alone constitute the only optimal and truest possible fulfilment of the restoration of all things?
 

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The Bible says, "And he (God) shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution (or reconstitution or restoration) of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:20-21)

The Millennial reign is the restoration of all things, and a plain reading of Revelation 20 will tell you there is a millennial reign yet to come.... we are definitely not living in it now. The way I see it, God is going to show off to Satan how the earth is supposed to be run for a thousand years so that he can see how foolish he was to think he could do it better, and then Satan and his followers are cast into the lake of fire. So to me the Millennial reign is the time of restoration of all things as God intended and created them to be before the fall. A temporal restitution of all things. The whole Millennium IS The second coming.... Capiche?
 
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"do you merely rely on your intellectual prowess to understand the Word of God?" is not the same sort of question as "did you take my phone?" Particularly when contrasted with receiving spiritual understanding.

You miss my point and got offended by what I said, I Actually LIKED your point and agreed with it by giving you a like on your comment. But alas that was unnoticed by you.... sorry.
 

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The Millennial reign is the restoration of all things, and a plain reading of Revelation 20 will tell you there is a millennial reign yet to come.... we are definitely not living in it now. The way I see it, God is going to show off to Satan how the earth is supposed to be run for a thousand years so that he can see how foolish he was to think he could do it better, and then Satan and his followers are cast into the lake of fire. So to me the Millennial reign is the time of restoration of all things as God intended and created them to be before the fall. A temporal restitution of all things. The whole Millennium IS The second coming.... Capiche?

Where in Revelation 20 does it say that there is going to be a restoration of all things? I see an earth that is increasingly overrun by wicked men.
 
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Would you not say the millennial reign is a time of restoration to those who are righteous, or are you one of those who do not believe in the Millennial reign?
That's a temporary time of restoration from the Premil point of view.

For Amilllennialists like myself, we see an eternal restoration of this fallen earth in the future in the form of the new earth when Christ returns. Peter said "we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth where righteousness dwells" (2 Peter 3:13). And he said we are looking forward to that in fulfillment of the promise of His second coming. Is that what you're looking forward to?
 

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The Millennial reign is the restoration of all things, and a plain reading of Revelation 20 will tell you there is a millennial reign yet to come.... we are definitely not living in it now. The way I see it, God is going to show off to Satan how the earth is supposed to be run for a thousand years so that he can see how foolish he was to think he could do it better, and then Satan and his followers are cast into the lake of fire. So to me the Millennial reign is the time of restoration of all things as God intended and created them to be before the fall. A temporal restitution of all things. The whole Millennium IS The second coming.... Capiche?
It seems to me that things will be how God intended on the eternal new earth where there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain (Rev 21:4). It seems to me that only restoring all things temporarily rather than eternally would be rather pointless. God doesn't need to set up a temporal kingdom "to show off to Satan how the earth is supposed to be run". He will do that with the eternal kingdom He reigns over on the new earth.
 

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Where in Revelation 20 does it say that there is going to be a restoration of all things? I see an earth that is increasingly overrun by wicked men.

Hence the reason why I am a premillennialist. This world as we know it now is ruled by Satan the god of this world right now. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

The Point you are missing is that the entire millennial reign is part of the second coming, when Christ comes he will rule forever and forever....(Daniel 7:18, Daniel 12:3, Revelation 11:15) there is nothing temporary about it. The second coming on this earth is the restoration of all things.
 
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Hence the reason why I am a premillennialist. This world as we know it now is ruled by Satan the god of this world right now. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

The Point you are missing is that the entire millennial reign is part of the second coming, when Christ comes he will rule forever and forever....(Daniel 7:18, Daniel 12:3, Revelation 11:15) there is nothing temporary about it. The second coming on this earth is the restoration of all things.

No. In Premil, the millennium is a rerun of our age with all the awful bondage of corruption still present. It is Amil that has a perfect earth to look forward to.
 

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No. In Premil, the millennium is a rerun of our age with all the awful bondage of corruption still present. It is Amil that has a perfect earth to look forward to.
Keeping lying to yourself. There are pre-mill who see the Millennium as the fulfillment of the 70th week. Your last 1992 years of righteousness and lack of sin, needs some improvement. So stop projecting your indefinite period of time onto the future Millennium reign of Christ on earth. It starts out with a resurrection, so no more of Adam's dead corruptible flesh and blood.
 

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You miss my point and got offended by what I said, I Actually LIKED your point and agreed with it by giving you a like on your comment. But alas that was unnoticed by you.... sorry.
I didn't miss your point, I assure you. And because I point to something doesn't mean I'm offended by it, I realize what it is, so there is no offense. But that doesn't change the nature of the post itself.

Just something to consider.

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Hence the reason why I am a premillennialist. This world as we know it now is ruled by Satan the god of this world right now. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

The Point you are missing is that the entire millennial reign is part of the second coming, when Christ comes he will rule forever and forever....(Daniel 7:18, Daniel 12:3, Revelation 11:15) there is nothing temporary about it. The second coming on this earth is the restoration of all things.

Not true. Why does it come to an end and the earth flee away at the end if there is no end to it? That does not make sense.
 

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Jesus Christ will "Destroy" at his return, not "Restore" as you suggest
Wouldn't that make him a cosmic tyrant?
Jesus told us that the enemy has come to kill and to steal and to DESTROY.
But he came to bring life.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
 
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There is no hint of "going back to the garden" ...
What do you make of this?

Revelation 2:7 NIV
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
 
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Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
! (+ I and II!)

Grace, Peace, And JOY!…
Thanks. I appreciate the welcome and the blessing.

What do you mean when you write,
"And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
! (+ I and II!)" ?

My observation is that there is no consensus in the Body of Christ as to what the "Word Of Truth" is.
It seems to be rightly divided initially to the right and left. And all over the place after that.

A religious cult is easy to spot. They are in the church across the street from yours.
And they feel the same way about you. Where does that get us?

The Good News is that no one is saved by doctrine. IMHO
 
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The restoration of all things

Matt 19:28
Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Acts 3:21
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Rom 8:20-21
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Romans 5:10
For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Isa 65:17
"See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Rev 21:5
He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!"
 

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Thanks. I appreciate the welcome and the blessing.

What do you mean when you write,
"And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
! (+ I and II!)" ?
You are very welcome. The 'links' Rightly Divided (+ I and II), are studies of the way I, imho,
believe God's Word Of Truth should be 'divided' for right understanding - the only way I have
found so Scripture 'makes sense' to me. Brief example:

prophecy/covenants/law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Grace, According To 'The Revelation Of The Mystery'

Thus, to me, the homogenization (way of study) of combining these two together, and
not making distinctions and differences, is Very Confusing.

Hope this explanation helps.
The Good News is that no one is saved by doctrine. IMHO
Totally agree!

And, thanks for your kind and encouraging words of great discussion.
 
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