Renewable Salvation

[robert derrick]

I'll call it "theologically ignorant heretics" teach that you can be "re-saved", as if you can be re-saved then Jesus would have to die on the Cross again.

So, "ignorant, theologically Ignorant, spiritually blind", heretics would teach that of course.

One of us is a heretic. That's for sure. Because neither of us agree with the other. I'll stick with being saved by faith and justified by works. You can keep your faith alone stuff.

 

[robert derrick]

Do you have a Quote of mine you can post that show that i teach "unrighteous works" for anyone to practice?

That is what OSAS teaches by claiming to be saved and uncondemned by faith alone, even while doing unrighteousness at the same time.

I asked a plain question for you to clarify, and be sure, but you don't answer. So I'll try again.

Is anyone saved and justified by Christ, nor condemned, while doing unrighteous works of the flesh at the same time?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Or you do not know how to saying it without contradicting yourself. As I said. take time to think about what you are saying, to make sure you didn't just say the opposite just a few lines before.


I have. I've been waiting for you to wind down, but you keep coming back like a moth to the flame.

You've done it before, and you'll do it again. OSAS believers never keep their word for long.

Good day sir.. You are not sincere. all you want to do is argue. I will do to you as I do with another one that is puffed up and just not respond to you anymore

 

[Charlie24]

Faith + works = Ensuring our salvation unto the end.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge...

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

The only thing sure about OSAS is justifying ourselves by our own faith alone, while falling before the devil.



To be saved, stay saved, ensure saved. All the same. If we don't add those things of virtue to our faith, then nothing stays sure unto the end.



Adding virtue and godliness to our faith does not make the grace of God void, as you preach. Because we can only do so with help of the grace of God.

OSAS grace to remain uncondemned while sinning against Christ, is false.



True. You teach justification has nothing to do with salvation. You teach apart from Scripture, lie about Paul doing the same, and make James to be a liar.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.


Salvation having nothing to do with works, whether good or evil, is not the salvation of God, neither is the false grace that enables it.



And until unproven, no justification nor salvation. Unproven faith alone without works is dead.


True. Until faith is completed with works, faith is dead, being alone, and can save no man.


True salvation.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

And there are those that teach a salvation of saving oneself through their own dead faith alone.

The former risks leaving the first works of faith to do our own righteousness, and no longer run well. The latter is the pitiful mush of hearing only, that isn't even in the running.

By great grace through faith of Jesus, I am ensuring my salvation unto the end, by keeping myself from sinning in spirit and deed:

We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is not touching him.

You and a few others here don't need Christ crucified to forgive your sins. It is evident you can keep the Laws of God perfectly.

So rather than be exempt from judgement through faith in Christ, you will be judged on your performance in keeping those Laws and Commandments.

In my case, I can do nothing to earn salvation, so I trust totally in the performance of Christ. Any good works that are accomplished through me are the works He prepared for me, I don't claim those works, I'm just doing what God expects me to do, being that my works are planned for me. Any rewards I receive for works are the works He has performed through me, they are His credited to me through my faith.

So good luck on that, Robert.

 

[Behold]

One of us is a heretic. That's for sure. Because neither of us agree with the other.

I know who it is..

I vote : YOU

Here let me prove it, Robert.

Go and find my 300 + Thread and my 6000 + posts and find the Cross of Christ in them 99%, and notice that i always and ONLY Give Jesus the SAVIOR, ALL = the credit due HIM ALONE for saving us and keeping us saved.
Why?
Because that is the "Preaching of THE CROSS" that is.... ""THE Gospel of the GRACE of God. ""
That's PAUL's Gospel....and that is all i preach, as all i teach is "Pauline Theology."

You dont have that Gospel or any of that to offer., Robert.

Go now and compare your posts. Threads.
See how many DONT" Talk about the CROSS, .. the CROSS, THE CROSS., as Salvation.

What did you say Robert Derrick.... "you say they dont exit"? Yes i know, but you can spell "cross"in your next post, if you like., or you can go and edit ALL your Threads and Posts that dont have the Cross in them, when you are talking about Salvation... You can add a few "crosses" to them.... you know, just to try to fool the kiddies....and the Mods.

Robert, Notice how many times you state in most of your posts or Threads that discuss SALVATION... that Jesus isn't enough and some works and commandments and repenting and confessing, need to be up there on the CROSS with Him.

There is your Galatians 1:8 issue.... Robert.

You're not fooling me ....., but you may have some of these members confused, and that is what heretics do.
They CONFUSE and cause CHAOS

Do You want to see some CONFUSION being birthed,??? = then read anything "the" Episkopos posts.....Videos, Threads... any of it.
He's mastered it., and so have you.

 

[robert derrick]

Let me show you something.

Before you are saved, you can do the same good works, that you do after you are saved.

True. They are called naturally neighborly sheep.

In both cases, they are the same works.

And here is the great error that does not acknowledge the Spirit.

The saints of God cannot be doing the same works of neighborly sinners, because we now do all things with a purified heart by the Spirit of Christ. Sinners can only do what comes natural to anyone that wants to do some good, but not with the pure Spirit of the Lord.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

I see that your blindness about the simplicity of faith with works, vs works without faith, is that you do not acknowledge the spiritual purity at work, in those that do the righteousness of God, vs those that do their own righteousness.

Your saving faith alone has nothing to do with works, because your saving faith alone has nothing to do with the Spirit.

You do not acknowledge the difference between works from spiritual purity, and works from an unclean mind, and so all works are the same to you and having nothing to do with saving faith.

It is impossible for me to now do the same things the same way as before knowing Jesus, with His Spirit alive within me. Your doctrine is ignorant of this.

If you give to the poor when you are a hell bound sinner, or if you give to the Poor the day after you are saved....Its the same WORKS and they are meaningless to God, and have nothing to do with Salvation.

As I said, you are blind to the spiritual purity that makes all the difference to God. We must first love God with all the heart of a purified soul, before we can ever love our neighbors and be justified by Christ.

The good works of sinners are good outwardly, but only the good works of saints are first good inwardly.

Your great error is to treat all outward works the same, having nothing to do with the saving faith, because you do not acknowledge works from spiritual purity are not the same in sight of God, as works from spiritual uncleanness.

But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Why?
Because Salvation, is the CROSS OF CHRIST.........and nothing else.

Already corrected.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

its not a good thing to say that the Cross of Christ, is a "mental illness"

You are the one to first use the phrase “mental illness”, I just turned it around on yourself and now you are straight up lying about me sir.

Renewable Salvation

You see. You just don't know your own gospel and doctrine. So I do not know what I believe. Dude go away. If this is all you have, you have nothing..

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[Michiah-Imla]

You need to realize that you only come to the Forum to try to prove that the Born again, can go to Hell.

Not at all.

But when I see HALF-TRUTHS being paraded around, I provide the full TRUTH.

I want to free you from your chains and prevent others from being shackled by them.

“…ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)

What shall lies do?

 

[ButterflyJones]

Those that are only saved by their own faith alone, so long as they are in this life to believe it.

Eternal salvation is only for them that endure temptation and obey Jesus Christ unto the end.

Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

We receive eternal salvation only at the end of our faithful obedience to Christ in this life. Then is when no law, faith, nor prophecy of Scripture is needed in the resurrection of the dead.

Our salvation is only as good as the life we are living today, whether doing righteously or sinfully.

Meaningless sophistry.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

God's grace for help in time of need is to endure temptation, resist the devil, and overcome sinning.

If we are sinning with the devil, we have no grace of God, because we don't want God's help to resist the devil.

Many Christians want the grace of OSAS instead, for help to not be condemned with the devil, while sinning with him.

OSAS doctrine is false grace and faith of sinful man alone.

Your offense against God's grace and eternal irrevocable grace gift of Salvation blinds you.

Only God can open your eyes. Like scales over Saul's vision, unless or until those are fallen away by God, you'll continue to argue from a natural minded perspective unable to understand the things of God because they are foolishness to you.

 

[360watt]

This is always the case in these discussions...

Mixing up what a believer does having already received salvation.... THE faith.. with the first initial salvation... saving faith.

So a verse like 'faith without works is dead ' gets used for initial salvation.. when it's context is acts of service from those already with faith.

Abraham.. Rehab etc.. had faith before doing their acts of service

The other part of it is James 2 will get seperated from the likes of the book of John or Romans.. rather than put alongside to compare to get the truth.

 

[Raccoon1010]

This is always the case in these discussions...

Mixing up what a believer does having already received salvation.... THE faith.. with the first initial salvation... saving faith.

So a verse like 'faith without works is dead ' gets used for initial salvation.. when it's context is acts of service from those already with faith.

Abraham.. Rehab etc.. had faith before doing their acts of service

The other part of it is James 2 will get seperated from the likes of the book of John or Romans.. rather than put alongside to compare to get the truth.

We get forgiven and are saved, and then are not perfect and don't follow God the Father's will perfectly which is sin. Then we need to repent again and perhaps Jesus will forgive us. That is works meet for repentance. Saved by Jesus if we do works meet for repentance.

Is that what you mean?

 

[360watt]

We get forgiven and are saved, and then are not perfect and don't follow God the Father's will perfectly which is sin. Then we need to repent again and perhaps Jesus will forgive us. That is works meet for repentance. Saved by Jesus if we do works meet for repentance.

Is that what you mean?

No.. saved once, and for all. Eternal life beginning at the moment of salvation. Good works though are the thankful response for that having taken place. A thank you back to Jesus for being the freedom giver.

When you look at James 2-- you see the line 'faith without works is dead'

But then go to John and you see many verses about 'believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will have eternal life'-- that has no works involved.

Contradiction? No.

Different subjects. James is mostly about what happens AFTER conversion. Alot of the book of John is the initial of how to be saved through believing in Jesus, not by works.

Another example-- 'work out your own salvation with fear and trembling'.. the context of this verse is not about eternal salvation.. getting a place in heaven.. but daily service. Having a life 'salvaged' to Jesus.

Another example--'be baptised for the remission of sins' .. this isn't about water baptism giving eternal salvation. It's being baptised by immersion in water in regards to what happened earlier at conversion.. a picture of it.. as symbol of it. The 'for' in this verse in the Greek is 'eis' which can mean like 'in regards to' 'in reference to' 'because of'

Gotta read the context of who is talking to whom, what is the subject and what is the occasion for speaking.

 

[mailmandan]

robert derrick said: Playing games with words and philosophy of meanings, is not believing and teaching the plain words of Scripture.

What games? I gave you a clear and concise explanation and backed up my arguments with Scripture.

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.

Look in the mirror.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, (shown to be righteous) and not by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14) Bare profession of faith only.

There is no justification without works, because justification is by works.

Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by faith (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3) many years before he was said to be justified (shown to be righteous) by works. (Genesis 22; James 2:21)

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Amen!

The evidence of the faith is the works of faith. God's faith is faith and works together. There is not one without the other. there is no substance to faith, without the evidence of works. Faith alone without works is without substances of God to save any man

That's not what Hebrews 11:1 means. Substance is connected with "assurance" and evidence is connected with "conviction." The NASB 1995 reads - Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. You are trying to re-define faith to "include" works and basically make no distinction between faith and works. Roman Catholics make the same error. They erroneously teach we are saved by faith "infused" with works.

Hearing only and faith alone by hearing is not an act. The only ones accounted as righteous are doing the word of righteousness.

You are wrong again. Romans 4:2 - What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that doeth righteousness (does so because he) is righteous and not in order to become righteous. 1 John 3:7 - Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. (NLT) Doeth righteousness/practices righteousness is the demonstrative evidence that children of God are righteous.

Once again, no man is righteous by faith alone. Only them doing righteousness are called the righteous of God.

Man is justified by faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone. (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) Imputed righteousness apart from works. Only the righteous are doing/practicing righteousness. That is the demonstrative evidence that they are righteous. You put the cart before the horse because you erroneously teach works righteousness/salvation by works.

Faith alone righteousness is imaginary doctrinal righteousness of man without doing righteousness.

The doing righteousness part comes "after" one has been accounted as righteous by faith in Christ alone, "apart from works." (Romans 4:5-6; 1 John 3:7)

Doctrinal righteousness by faith alone, is as real as faith alone: it doesn't exist.

Accounted as righteous by faith in Christ alone "apart from works" is very real. (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; Philippians 3:9) You obviously trust in works righteousness and not in Christ alone, which is a fatal mistake! (Romans 4:5-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9)

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Once again, Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, (shown to be righteous) and not by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14) Bare profession of faith only. In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

The imaginary gospel of saved and justified by faith alone and not by works, does not exist.

Wrong again. Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

The imaginary gospel of works righteousness/salvation by works is a false gospel which results in grave consequences for those who embrace this "different" gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We do not save and justify ourselves by our own doctrine of our own faith. We can dote about words with great swollen meanings, so as to make for ourselves one really swell gospel by faith alone. But it doesn't make it real, nor does it save us.

Doctrine alone saves no man.

If you do not believe the correct doctrine then you will not be saved.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Be sure to read that over very carefully. We have access by faith into grace.. (Romans 5:2) Not faith and works.

The false faith of works, is faith based upon works we do without Christ. We do our own works, that we then begin to believe and trust in.

Whether with or without Christ, we are not saved by works in general. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).

It's better than dead faith alone without works, but it does not justify us with Christ.

Dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works" is not authentic faith in Christ and justifies no-one because that is an empty profession of faith and not genuine faith. (James 2:14) Authentic faith in Christ makes us alive together with Christ and we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)

Man owns the works, by his own faith alone. Christ owns the works, by doing them with the faith of Jesus.

I hear this similar erroneous argument from Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists. Saved by works done in faith/saved by "these" works and just not "those" works. etc.. etc.. Again, we are not saved by works in general.

Man owns the doctrine by his own faith alone. Christ owns the doctrine by doing His word.

More works salvation nonsense, which stems from pride.

If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Better start with God's will in John 6:40. Man's efforts beyond that and without that is not God's will. All you have without that is self righteous man seeking to save himself by works.

CONTINUED...

 

[mailmandan]

robert derrick said: The doctrine of one's own faith alone, speaks of himself, not of Christ.

The faith is in Christ alone for salvation. It's all about Christ and not about us. Jesus Christ receives 100% credit for man's salvation.

Alone is added to the word of God. The only time alone appears with faith in Scripture, is to condemn it as dead.

Common argument made by works-salvationists. The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus works? NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone.

And this is not at all what is being taught for salvation and justification by faith alone without works.

Are you really that blind?

Having faith in Christ alone, is not having faith alone.

It's having faith that trusts in Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6) which is not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14) Works-salvationists cannot grasp this truth.

OSAS does not teach having faith in Christ alone, but having salvation by faith alone.

OSAS teaches that we are eternally secure in Christ. We are saved through faith in Christ alone. Period. I'll never forget the confusion and frustration I felt as a lost Roman Catholic several years ago when believers tried to explain the truth to me. I did not get it either, just as you don't get it now.

Our works have no merit. Doing God's works by His faith, by which we are justified, is His merit in us working with us to do His word and will, and not be faith alone hearers only.

Oxymoron. If we were saved by works (even if it's only in part) then there would be merit on our part for doing these works in order to receive salvation. You can't have it both ways no matter how much you try and sugar coat it.

And so now you say there is unfruitful and barren faith. You call faith alone that saves, barren and unfruitful faith: dead.

Unfruitful, barren faith is an empty profession of faith/dead faith (James 2:14) and not authentic faith. (Ephesians 2:8-10) There seems to be no end to your confusion.

There is no faith alone at all, ever. Unfruitful and unbarren seed and faith is dead. There is no saving faith without roots:

Faith must be firmly rooted and established "first" before it can produce fruit/works. (genuine good works)

But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

No depth of earth, no root, no moisture, withered away, falls short of firmly rooted and established faith that results in salvation.

Adding the things of virtue and godliness to our faith completes the faith that saves and justifies us with Christ. Until then that faith is incomplete, barren, and unfruitful, and saves no man at all.

Another passage of scripture that is often misinterpreted by works-salvationists. By cultivating the qualities listed in 2 Peter 1:5-7, Christians can be sure that God has called them and elected them. These fruits will confirm it. Make sure you have been called and elected - bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety).

To practice these qualities gives evidence of salvation, though they are not the basis (or cause) of salvation. They are the effect. Cause of being in Christ (FAITH) effect of being in Christ (WORKS).

For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (vs. 8). For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins (vs. 9).

What is the object of the forgetting? Is this forgetting temporary because this believer had fallen into error or does this lack of fruit exist because this person’s "cleansing" was merely an external reformation that did not come from a truly changed heart?

The genuineness of their profession will be demonstrated as they express these virtues. These fruits confirm their divine source. 10 Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. Proverbs 24:16, we read - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

The work of faith to add these things to our faith, is the roots of living faith, that is not dead and alone.

Adding these things to our faith demonstrates that our faith is a living faith and is not dead/alone/barren of works.

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The just do live by faith.

Only those living the faith of God, are justified by Christ. Faith alone 'before' living the faith is dead and has no root at all.

Only those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation are justified by Christ. (Romans 3:24-38; 4:5-6; 5:1) Faith that remains alone (barren of works) demonstrates that it's a bare profession of faith/dead faith. (James 2:14)

Until that harmony of faith and works is completed, there is no genuine salvation of faith alone.

As I already explained, man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24) Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

The consummation of our marriage to Christ, to be flesh of His flesh, and bone of His bone, is only by doing the word of faith, and not by faith alone and hearing only.

Only those who have authentic faith in Christ and are saved are doers of the word. Pseudo Christians/make believers are simply going through the motions of being doers of the word in their vain efforts to obtain salvation by works.

Faith apart from works does not exist, except in the minds of vain imagination.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

Man is saved by faith in Christ alone (apart from the merit of works) yet authentic saving faith in Christ does not remain alone (apart from the presence of works). Take some time to dwell on that until the truth finally begins to sink in. Only the Lord can open your heart and your eyes to the truth. I will continue to pray for you.

 

[mailmandan]

Normally I would say here that you have confused justification and our sanctification by joining them together creating faith + works = salvation.

There is only one way of salvation and that by faith in the finished work of Christ. When you add the works of sanctification to that faith in order to be saved, you have made the Grace of God void. That means Grace has passed you by and there is no hope of salvation without it.

If you want to take the responsibility of teaching that to the unknowing, that is on you.

I teach that Paul taught us that works have absolutely nothing to do with salvation, that is apart from works. The works come in through our being set apart unto God to do good works, totally and completely separate from our salvation.

James teaches us that those works prove our justification, not that we are saved by them! He even goes to the point of telling us how that faith and works are working together to prove our salvation.

But there are some here who have added them together and have created a false salvation that promotes man saving himself through those efforts of his good works. May God have mercy on you!

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to place their faith in Jesus Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to humble themselves and receive Christ through faith. Such people are self promoters who suffer from a terminal case of self righteousness.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@mailmandan

I guess you’re a “no-works-salvationist”

“…they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.” (Acts 26:20)

No Paul, @mailmandan frowns upon these “works”…

 

[Behold]

No.. saved once, and for all. Eternal life beginning at the moment of salvation. Good works though are the thankful response for that having taken place. A thank you back to Jesus for being the freedom giver.

That will Preach.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The faith is in Christ alone for salvation. It's all about Christ and not about us. Jesus Christ receives 100% credit for man's salvation.
Roman Catholics make the same error. They erroneously teach we are saved by faith "infused" with works.


I hear this similar erroneous argument from Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists.

The Catholic Church doesn't teach that we are saved BY works.
WHO told you that?

The Church teaches that we are saved by the grace of God because of what Jesus did on the cross and His Resurrection.
HOWEVER, as the Bible clearly teaches - works are an essential element of faith - and NOT just a byproduct of it.

Paull makes this crystal clear . . .
1 Cor. 13:11-3
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Gal. 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

He explains that the works that are PART of out faith were prepared for us in advance by God (Eph. 2:10). They are not our own – otherwise, they would NOT be efficacious.
Jesus drives this point ho mini the Lesson of the Sheep and the Goats (Matt. 25:31-46).

This is why James warns that faith without works is DEAD (James 2:24).
He explains that if ALL you do is “believe” – then you’re NO better off than the DEMONS (James 2:19).
Faith = Belief + Surrender/Obedience

 

[Charlie24]

The Catholic Church doesn't teach that we are saved BY works.
WHO told you that?

The Church teaches that we are saved by the grace of God because of what Jesus did on the cross and His Resurrection.
HOWEVER, as the Bible clearly teaches - works are an essential element of faith - and NOT just a byproduct of it.

Paull makes this crystal clear . . .
1 Cor. 13:11-3
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Gal. 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

He explains that the works that are PART of out faith were prepared for us in advance by God (Eph. 2:10). They are not our own – otherwise, they would NOT be efficacious.
Jesus drives this point ho mini the Lesson of the Sheep and the Goats (Matt. 25:31-46).

This is why James warns that faith without works is DEAD (James 2:24).
He explains that if ALL you do is “believe” – then you’re NO better off than the DEMONS (James 2:19).
Faith = Belief + Surrender/Obedience

BoL I don't think we have ever agreed on anything, but I do share your belief that our works are prepared for us and they are not our own, but credited to us through faith in the finished work of Christ.

But the things you are saying here are not what I'm hearing from the RCC. They have a firm belief that faith and works are necessary for salvation. This means faith + works = salvation, this is not Biblical.

 

[Behold]

The Catholic Church doesn't teach that we are saved BY works.
WHO told you that?

The Pope told you that., BreadofLife

The Pope teaches that "baptismal regeneration" is how you are saved.
He lied to Billions and enjoys it every time.

His entire "cult of mary" priesthood teaches it.

1.) "water is required for salvation', or as the demonic Douay Rheims "bible" teaches., in John 3

>"Born again BY water".<

God says we are born again by the Holy Spirit., not by the city water supply.

Here is an eternal update for you, BreadofLife, .. the water didn't wash away your sin.. even if you were sprinkled, confirmed, and dunked 53 more times this week.

Now.. BreadofLife......did.you want to tell us again.... that Noah & Family were saved by the water that was killing everything that moved by drowning everything that had breath on the entire surface of the planet including NOAH and FAMILY had they got in that "saving water".?

Good luck with that "water cult"...= nonsense.

What you should do, is go any Jehovah's Witness forum, as they teach that theological garbage, also.
You'd be a hero there, but here, on a Christian forum, you're just a obvious deceiver, who's deceived and exposed again.

See you there, "Einstein"...