Renewable Salvation

[Eternally Grateful]

You see. You just don't know your own gospel and doctrine.

So I do not know what I believe.

Dude go away. If this is all you have, you have nothing..

 

[robert derrick]

27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”


28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”


29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”



You gospel is not a gospel at all. It is not good news, it is sad news

It's good news to all saints and prophets of old, that searched wholly for the deliverance from sinning, that only comes by the Christ of God dwelling within them:

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The bad news that makes you sad, is that your own faith alone is dead, and if we are sinning with the world, we are also condemned with the world, and need to come to the Advocate for the whole world, and be restored to the faith, salvation, righteousness, and justification of Jesus Christ.

that people can thing even for a second they are righteous enough to be saved. when God said otherwise.

More confusion. If we are made righteous by faith alone, then the moment we believe we are righteous enough to be saved.

And you even go on to say, that no one can be saved without ever doing one work of righteousness.

You need to settle down, take time before you write, and even if you're going to contradict Scripture, then at least try not to contradict your own words.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Yes He did. The Scriptures I quote are what He says.


Thanks. And I'll leave you with your gospel of being irrevocably saved by your faith alone.

You twist scripture you don't understand. Then blame others for not understanding your errors.

Who in Christ would ever put themselves under the falsehood their salvation is not eternal?

God's grace is his faith for us.

 

[robert derrick]

Nothing I can say will be accepted by you, That's why when I address you, I'm actually addressing those reading on in hopes that they will receive some understanding.

I'm not as good as you. I only continue correcting your teaching as a good exercise in rightly dividing the word of truth to correct the gainsayers. If others learn from it, then that's fine, but I'm not pretentiously altruistic.

Your gospel is of faith alone, God's gospel has nothing to do with your faith alone, other than to condemn it as nothing and can save no man.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

No. (It's a rhetorical question to show the absurdity of being saved by dead faith alone)

 

[robert derrick]

So I do not know what I believe.

Or you do not know how to saying it without contradicting yourself. As I said. take time to think about what you are saying, to make sure you didn't just say the opposite just a few lines before.

Dude go away.

I have. I've been waiting for you to wind down, but you keep coming back like a moth to the flame.

You've done it before, and you'll do it again. OSAS believers never keep their word for long.

 

[Behold]

The bad news that makes you sad, is that your own faith alone is dead, and if we are sinning with the world, we are also condemned with the world, and need to come to the Advocate for the whole world, and be restored to the faith, salvation, righteousness, and justification of Jesus Christ.

You are actually teaching a sort of off bizarre idea of getting "re-saved".

The reality is, if a person is born again, then they are way past needing to worry about their salvation, as Jesus is our Salvation.

What a believer has to do, that is actually important, is to renew your mind so that you understand what it means to God, for the believer to have become a New Creation.

That is the most important thing you can do, regarding your FAITH, as from that understanding, the Power of God becomes "i can do all things through Christ", and God will show you some BIBLE>.... and until you have this revelation, you will be confessing and worrying about sin and works, and worrying about dead faith and 100 other things that are not the main focus., of which some of them are just Cultish Cross Rejecting Garbage., that is often related to the Heretic John Calvin's Theology.
Episkops is a prime example of obsession with John Calvin's hellish nonsense theology.
If you want to learn that "dung", then do look him up, as he'll fill you full of it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if a person is born again, then they are way past needing to worry about their salvation

Oh no, not at all!

O wait!

What’s this?

“…brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure…” (2 Peter 1:10)

“And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Peter 4:18)

 

[robert derrick]

Who in Christ would ever put themselves under the falsehood their salvation is not eternal?

Those that are only saved by their own faith alone, so long as they are in this life to believe it.

Eternal salvation is only for them that endure temptation and obey Jesus Christ unto the end.

Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

We receive eternal salvation only at the end of our faithful obedience to Christ in this life. Then is when no law, faith, nor prophecy of Scripture is needed in the resurrection of the dead.

Our salvation is only as good as the life we are living today, whether doing righteously or sinfully.

God's grace is his faith for us.

Meaningless sophistry.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

God's grace for help in time of need is to endure temptation, resist the devil, and overcome sinning.

If we are sinning with the devil, we have no grace of God, because we don't want God's help to resist the devil.

Many Christians want the grace of OSAS instead, for help to not be condemned with the devil, while sinning with him.

OSAS doctrine is false grace and faith of sinful man alone.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm not as good as you. I only continue correcting your teaching as a good exercise in rightly dividing the word of truth to correct the gainsayers. If others learn from it, then that's fine, but I'm not pretentiously altruistic.

Your gospel is of faith alone, God's gospel has nothing to do with your faith alone, other than to condemn it as nothing and can save no man.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

No. (It's a rhetorical question to show the absurdity of being saved by dead faith alone)

Normally I would say here that you have confused justification and our sanctification by joining them together creating faith + works = salvation.

There is only one way of salvation and that by faith in the finished work of Christ. When you add the works of sanctification to that faith in order to be saved, you have made the Grace of God void. That means Grace has passed you by and there is no hope of salvation without it.

If you want to take the responsibility of teaching that to the unknowing, that is on you.

I teach that Paul taught us that works have absolutely nothing to do with salvation, that is apart from works. The works come in through our being set apart unto God to do good works, totally and completely separate from our salvation.

James teaches us that those works prove our justification, not that we are saved by them! He even goes to the point of telling us how that faith and works are working together to prove our salvation.

But there are some here who have added them together and have created a false salvation that promotes man saving himself through those efforts of his good works. May God have mercy on you!

 

[Behold]

“…brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure…” (2 Peter 1:10)

“And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Peter 4:18)

I just told you , or rather asked you if you have a MENTAL ISSUE that causes you to keep coming to the ChristianityBorad, to try to prove that Blood Bought Born again Christians, can Go To HELL.

You could not answer, and now here you are again posting your ONE Obsession.

Realize yourself., Michiah-Imla

 

[robert derrick]

You are actually teaching a sort of off bizarre idea of getting "re-saved".

Renewed to salvation, saved again, resaved. You can call it what you want.

The reality is, if a person is born again, then they are way past needing to worry about their salvation, as Jesus is our Salvation.

Already corrected.

What a believer has to do, that is actually important, is to renew your mind so that you understand what it means to God, for the believer to have become a New Creation.

Mental salvation is for hearers only.

That is the most important thing you can do, regarding your FAITH, as from that understanding, the Power of God becomes "i can do all things through Christ",

True. Which does not include sinning works of the flesh.

you will be confessing and worrying about sin and works,

Only if doing them. But better than worrying about them is, to return to the Advocate to be forgiven again, and pray for power and strength not to return to sinning again. Worrying doesn't help anything.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

If you're not doing unrighteous works of the flesh anymore, then good for you. But you must repent of your doctrine that teaches others to actually practise it unto more ungodliness.

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Jesus doesn't say Jezebel is doing these things herself, but only teaching others how, and still believe they are saved: OSAS.

 

[Behold]

“…brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure…” (2 Peter 1:10)

“And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1 Peter 4:18)

I'll teach your verses for you, as your cult certainly can't do it for you, Michiah-imla.

"give dilligence to make your calling and election sure".


this is.....Paul Teaching.....>"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?""""

And its teaching that if your faith is wrong, you are "fallen from Grace"...so, check your faith and make sure you are not trying to keep yourself saved..as that is the "fallen from Grace" issue.

So, that is not Paul teaching that salvation can be lost.

And that is JUDE teaching.....>"contend for the REAL Faith"...

See, you have to hold on to the right understanding of Salvation = "Have become the righteousness of God, in Christ"....."Made righteous", or you'll slip into legalism, and be found trying to prove that the born again can go to hell, for example.


Next..

"""If the Righteous barely be saved'""", is saying that they are, Michiah-Imah

 

[Behold]

Renewed to salvation, saved again, resaved. You can call it what you want.

I'll call it "theologically ignorant heretics" teach that you can be "re-saved", as if you can be re-saved then Jesus would have to die on the Cross again.

So, "ignorant, theologically Ignorant, spiritually blind", heretics would teach that of course.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I just told you , or rather asked you if you have a MENTAL ISSUE that causes you to keep coming to the ChristianityBorad, to try to prove that Blood Bought Born again Christians, can Go To HELL.

Do you have a mental issue that causes you to give false hope to sinning Christians despite the many warnings in scripture?

 

[Behold]

If you're not doing unrighteous works of the flesh anymore, then good for you. But you must repent of your doctrine that teaches others to actually practise it unto more ungodliness.

Do you have a Quote of mine you can post that show that i teach "unrighteous works" for anyone to practice?

The reason you posted that, with no quote, quotes, is because you are a sinful liar.
As a born again Christian is going to post a quote or quotes, and not just accuse and imply.

I told you that a few times before, Robert, but i guess you just prefer to be dishonest.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I'll teach your verses for you, as your cult certainly can't do it for you, Michiah-imla.

Says the cultists…

"give dilligence to make your calling and election sure".

this is.....Paul Teaching.....>"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith

No, it’s Paul teaching what he said by inspiration of God in that very passage! Not what he said elsewhere in scripture.

""If the Righteous barely be saved'""", is saying that they are, Michiah-Imah

Because you are a god unto yourself!

Selecting, by your own authority, what scriptures apply to you!

I hope repentance is still available to you…

 

[Behold]

Jesus doesn't say Jezebel is doing these things herself, but only teaching others how, and still believe they are saved: OSAS.

Let me show you something.

Before you are saved, you can do the same good works, that you do after you are saved.
In both cases, they are the same works.

If you give to the poor when you are a hell bound sinner, or if you give to the Poor the day after you are saved....Its the same WORKS and they are meaningless to God, and have nothing to do with Salvation.
Why?
Because Salvation, is the CROSS OF CHRIST.........and nothing else.

So, there goes your works, and water baptism, and commandment keeping, and Law keeping, and your cult., Robert.

 

[Behold]

Says the cultists…No, it’s Paul teaching what he said by inspiration of God in that very passage! Not what he said elsewhere in scripture.
Because you are a god unto yourself!Selecting, by your own authority, what scriptures apply to you!
I hope repentance is still available to you…

As i told you.

You need to realize that you only come to the Forum to try to prove that the Born again, can go to Hell.
You've not denied this, or that you have an obsession with this DEED, and ive told you that in 10 posts, obo.
If you deny it now, its a little too late...isn't it.
So, You should repent of that devil led "ministry" and you should get away from it, forever.
Find something that honors God's Son, and do that instead, Michiah-Imla.
Start now.

 

[Behold]

Do you have a mental issue that causes you to give false hope to sinning Christians despite the many warnings in scripture?

Jesus on the Cross, is the "one time eternal sacrifice for sin"... so, all the born again, have this Salvation.

its not a good thing to say that the Cross of Christ, is a "mental illness" but you are the 2nd one to say something like that in the last week, on a Thread, that ive read.
Episkopos said that Jesus is a "whipping boy", and you call it "mental illness" as the right understanding of the Grace of God.
Episkopos said that the Grace of God is just "free stuff"..

What do i call it?
"Thank you Jesus".

What does God call it?

"the BLOOD Atonement".

 

[robert derrick]

Normally I would say here that you have confused justification and our sanctification by joining them together creating faith + works = salvation.

Faith + works = Ensuring our salvation unto the end.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge...

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

The only thing sure about OSAS is justifying ourselves by our own faith alone, while falling before the devil.

When you add the works of sanctification to that faith in order to be saved,

To be saved, stay saved, ensure saved. All the same. If we don't add those things of virtue to our faith, then nothing stays sure unto the end.

you have made the Grace of God void.

Adding virtue and godliness to our faith does not make the grace of God void, as you preach. Because we can only do so with help of the grace of God.

OSAS grace to remain uncondemned while sinning against Christ, is false.

I teach that Paul taught us that works have absolutely nothing to do with salvation, that is apart from works.

True. You teach justification has nothing to do with salvation. You teach apart from Scripture, lie about Paul doing the same, and make James to be a liar.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

The works come in through our being set apart unto God to do good works, totally and completely separate from our salvation.

Salvation having nothing to do with works, whether good or evil, is not the salvation of God, neither is the false grace that enables it.

James teaches us that those works prove our justification, not that we are saved by them!

And until unproven, no justification nor salvation. Unproven faith alone without works is dead.

He even goes to the point of telling us how that faith and works are working together to prove our salvation.

True. Until faith is completed with works, faith is dead, being alone, and can save no man.

But there are some here who have added them together and have created a false salvation that promotes man saving himself through those efforts of his good works.

True salvation.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

And there are those that teach a salvation of saving oneself through their own dead faith alone.

The former risks leaving the first works of faith to do our own righteousness, and no longer run well. The latter is the pitiful mush of hearing only, that isn't even in the running.

By great grace through faith of Jesus, I am ensuring my salvation unto the end, by keeping myself from sinning in spirit and deed:

We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is not touching him.