Ritajanice
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I tell you another thing Brother, not all of them are nice, I was a carer for one and she had a JW as a friend, they spoke to me like I was beneath them, ( like dirt).
Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)
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rebuilder 454
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Watchtower has Jesus as a created being.
He is actually God the son.
Watchtower has Jehovah in Hebrews 1, erroneously ordering angels to worship a created being.
They own it big time,and are heretics.
rebuilder 454
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Your post puts on display your backwards ignorance of salvation.
Jesus is the kinsman redeemer of Ruth.
The kinsman redeemer could only be a God-man. The second adam.
It had to be God and Man on the cross.
Only God could resurrect Himself.
Jesus said "destroy this temple and in three days i will raise it up"
The sacrifice had to be without spot, pure and perfect. That is why it had to be God and not a good man on the cross.
Jesus is the only begotten son. He is not created, but of the same dimension as (removed)
Galatians tells us that "no law given could impart life."
there had to be an impartation of life.
Again, only a God man could resurrect himself, or impart life. No power could keep God in the grave...not even physical death.
Your organization has Jesus as a mere man.
It is appalling what your cult has done to butcher the bible, and the testimony of God.
And you fell for it 100%
Your personal antichrist investment.
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rebuilder 454
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REv 5 is the kinsman redeemer.
"no man was found in heaven ,or earth that could open the seals".
Only the kinsman redeemer ,The God-man Jesus was the only man in heaven worthy.
watchtower by rejection of Gods testimony ...has no kinsman redeemer.
Woah!!!!!
"no man was found in heaven ,or earth that could open the seals".
Only the kinsman redeemer ,The God-man Jesus was the only man in heaven worthy.
watchtower by rejection of Gods testimony ...has no kinsman redeemer.
Woah!!!!!
Keiw
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At Heb 1:4 everyone who understands English for self can clearly see-If Jesus wasn't given the name, to him from God, he was equal to the angels. Same at Psalm 45:7--Jesus has a God and fellows( partners) are angels.
Your translations are altered( removal of Gods name against his will) and translating errors= 100% fact of life. You best relook.
Keiw
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rebuilder 454
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The change in the noun in John 1:1, from Θεόν (Theon) to Θεὸς (Theos) for God in Greek is not because of any difference in meaning, but simply because the word was playing two different functions in the sentence.
In the text under consideration, the word for God was spelt differently in the two instances because in the first instance, Θεόν (Theon), the word was functioning in the accusative case whereas in the second occurrence, Θεὸς (Theos), it was in the predicate nominative.
There are many other places in the New Testament where either form of the word is used for God without impinging on the force and reality of his divinity in any of those contexts. (removed)
In fact, in the Greek construction of the grammar of that text, the Word (ὁ Λόγος) was carefully placed in the statement to emphatically stress the essence and quality (removed)
Since the premise upon which the theology that seeks to impinge on the divinity of Christ is false, there is no point trying to further argue for or against the conclusion so reached, because the foundation of the supposition is faulty, or should I say, nonexistent.
It is shocking that someone can claim to be an expert in the biblical languages, and yet does not understand the elementary case system of the language he claims he knows. This does not even qualify to be categorized as an exegetical fallacy. The sad thing is that some, for whatever reasons, are falling for such half-baked exegesis, while urging the fellow on, in his linguistic nonsense and exegetical folly.
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rebuilder 454
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Get you a greek/ English interlinear.
Stop with the watchtower rabbit trails.
In Hebrew's 1 The Father calls the Son God.
And Commands created beings to worship the Son.
No amount of watchtower trickery can neuter Gods word.
Only works to gullible watchtower victims of their lies.
Thank You Jesus for your word.
The enemy of watchtower
You will find my words 100% correct
rebuilder 454
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Finding rabbit trails is watchtower fallacy.
Your cult is expert in removing the subject and taking the debate to no mans land.
You think you honestly answered anything???? you think verses contrary to your workbook disappear once you find a verse smokescreen????
No, you deflect, hoping to dilute and smear the fact that your cult has your followers being ordered to worship a created being.
You and your cult own it.
Perversion of the scripture big time
Jude Thaddeus
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The term “Jehovah” first appeared in the 13th century when Christian scholars took the consonants of “Yahweh” and pronounced it with the vowels of “Adonai”12. The first recorded use of this spelling was made by a Spanish Dominican monk, Raymundus Martini, in 12701. The derived forms Iehouah and Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century3. The vocalization of the Tetragrammaton Jehovah was first introduced by William Tyndale in his translation of Exodus 6:33.
Perhaps you should write to every encyclopedia on the planet and correct them.
Keiw
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That guy must be thick. translating works the same at both spots--so is satan God then? = no, either is the word. They have to twist that truth, that single capitol G error removed proves all of those trinity religions as false.
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Keiw
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Jehovah made his name known. men trying to take credit are just deceiving themselves.
The tetragramoton belongs in the OT in nearly 6800 spots( Every spot-GOD or LORD all capitols)-NT over 200 spots. God put his name in HIS translation because he wants it there= Gods will on the matter.
Wicked men by satans will removed Gods name and replaced it with titles to mislead= satans will
Ones religion shows whose will they support on the matter by the translation they use. Those religions using the altered versions to mislead are these-2Cor 11:12-15)
Keiw
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Gods view of a cult--A house divided will not stand= (removed) with hundreds of different truths-Why all the different truths? = a lack of holy spirit guiding them into all truth like Jesus promised to his. Instead are a mass of confusion that all creation can see, lead by these-2Cor 11:12-15)
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Jude Thaddeus
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The term “Jehovah” first appeared in the 13th century. Get over it.
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Keiw
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Thats ok when it first appeared. The bible was kept in latin until the 1300,s. Then translated back to Greek( lexicons), then to English later. Gods name varies in different languages as all names do. And between different languages errors occur on certain word meanings. Some languages don't have certain words that other languages have.
Aunty Jane
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I have studied the Bible very carefully for over 50 years and I know what it teaches concerning salvation….John 17:3…..If we do not “know the only true God”…..the very same God worshipped by his “firstborn” son….and if we do not “know the one he sent”….who is a completely separate entity, then our salvation is lost.
Why do you think “few” are going to be found on the road to life (Matt 7:13-14) when judgment day comes, and we have to answer to God’s appointed judge for the truth that we have accepted? What beliefs do the majority hold through centuries of indoctrination, whilst a minority reject them? Which of the two will pass muster? Where do you stand? With the the united minority or with the disunited majority? It is for us to decide….our own individual choices will determine our eternal future.
We have not changed the Bible…..the English translators did that centuries ago. We corrected their translation errors and rendered the scriptures more in line with the original languages. Do you yourself accept a changed Bible whilst pointing fingers at us?
Neither are we….we came to understand more fully the meaning of the word “pro·sky·ne΄o“ which corresponds closely with the Hebrew sha·hhah΄ as to conveying the thought of both obeisance to creatures and worship to God or a deity.
Strongs Concordance gives this definition….
- to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
- among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
- in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
- used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank. “
In modern times the meaning of this word was even conveyed in the judicial system, where under the British system a judge was addressed as “Your Worship”, whereas in the American system the judge was addressed as “Your Honor”…..so even in English we see that the two words are closely related. When rendered to a man it is obeisance, when rendered to God, it is worship. Jesus was a man. Angels do not worship humans, nor any other created being.…but they can rightfully render obeisance to Jesus as their superior.
The scriptures clearly state that Jesus was created. He even called himself “the beginning of God’s creation” (Rev 3:14) and in Col 1:15 he is called “the firstborn of ALL creation”, making him part of that creation. These are clear Bible statements.
Neither are we. Your comprehension skills are rather appalling…..do you ever listen or is your blind hatred failing to allow you to see past the end of your nose?
Jehovah is God “ho theos” capital “G”….but Jesus is “theos” small “g” because he fits Strongs definition of the word….see for yourself….Strongs is not a JW publication.
Theos means….
- a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities.
- spoken of the only and true God
- refers to the things of God
- his counsels, interests, things due to him
- whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
- God's representative or viceregent
- of magistrates and judges.”
- God's representative or viceregent
That is doctrinal bias at work…Jesus is never addressed as “ho theos”…only Jehovah is addressed that way to distinguish him from another “theos”. (John 10:31-36)
I have to wonder if you have ever done a lick of Bible study in your whole life?
Well, we have no standing in Christendom…..and I can thank God for that…who would want to be a part of that disunited and bickering rabble, who despite all their quarreling, still claim to be “the body of Christ”….if that’s the case then there are bits of Jesus all over the place….is a dismembered body really a body?
Do any of your denominations fit the description of 1 Cor 1:10?
“Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
I’ll leave you to figure that one out….
So will you…..read Matt 7:21-23 to see that the deluded ones will be the last to know that they were never really worshipping the true God…….only the “few” who had their eyes opened. (John 6:65)
We will never deny Jesus as “the son of God”, which is what he called himself……
He is our savior and redeemer because he was sent by his God and Father in that capacity.
Your tirades simply reveal your ignorance. Please go and do some actual Bible study….
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Jude Thaddeus
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You studied a false Bible for 50 years, and deny the Incarnation as a result. Nobody has the authority to say who is saved and who isn't. That's up to God.
No, we will be judged by the way we lived our lives, which includes an authentic concern for our suffering neighbor.
Indoctrination is a false assumption. The minorities were heretics, as legions of made-in-America Bible cults are today.
Oh, you mean Tyndale's corrupted version. The Bible was translated in numerous languages before the English language existed. You should ask yourself why "sola scriptura" is a Latin phrase.
The NWT is a travesty of the Scriptures for two main reasons:
First, of the five men who comprised the translation committee–Nathan Knorr, Fred Franz, Albert Schroeder, George Gangas, and Milton Henschel–Franz is the only one who had any knowledge at all of the biblical languages. Franz studied Greek for only two years (not biblical Greek, though), and he was allegedly self-taught in Hebrew. The other four men completely lack any credentials that would qualify them as competent biblical scholars.
Second, the text of the NWT is distorted and twisted in a manner to suit the erroneous beliefs of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Numerous examples could be cited. For instance, John 1:1, in the NWT, reads that the Word was ” a god” (rather than “God”) because JWs deny the divinity of Christ. Similarly, in Colossians 1:15-20, the NWT inserts the word “other” into the text four times because JWs believe that Christ was created. Also, in Matthew 26:26, the NWT reads “this means my body” (rather than “this is my body”) because JWs deny the Real Presence.
Reputable Catholic and Protestant biblical scholars alike reject the NWT as being biased, unreliable, and unscholarly. People who open their doors to the JWs ought to be warned that the NWT is not a safe or reliable translation of God’s Word.
Look Franz! It's right there in 1950's Greek!!!
RLT63
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The Trinity and the deity of Christ are banned topics on this forum and not open for discussion.
Keiw
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Here are the ones in Jesus day who were Gods chosen scholars--Teaching Jesus got his power from Demons. Matt 12:24)--Catholicism and protestants have shown 100% mass of confusion to all of creation. Not all is as appears in a satan ruled system. You quote these-2Cor 11:12-15)
Maybe you missed these facts--In the Lords prayer, Jesus shows the #1 issue for all involved is his Fathers name.
Jesus' God and Father inspired every word of his bible-He put his name in over 7000 spots because it is his will for his name to be there.
Wicked men by satan's will who had no right removed Gods name and replaced it with titles-to mislead.
Which version do you think Jesus would use? Which version do you think Jesus' 1 true religion would use? The translation that out of love and respect for Gods will put his name back in support of Gods will. Or the altered versions that give support to satans will over Gods will? Truly Jesus would say to you--Only false religions use the altered versions that mislead.
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