Proof of Rapture before Tribulation
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Spiritual Israelite
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Are you 5 years old? You're a one trick pony. Do you have anything of substance to offer or not? I don't claim to be part of national Israel and you are referring to national Israel, right? Stop lying about me. That is evil.
So, anyone who disagrees with your false teaching is damned to hell?
You cannot even prove you're teaching is biblical here. How about laying out a detailed biblical outline of your position.
Spiritual Israelite
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I am part of the Israel that Paul says not all national Israel are part (Romans 9:6-8). Deal with it. If you ever decide to grow up and act like an adult, get back to me.
To be an Pretribbers on these forums requires a vicious streak. They cannot even be courteous. They cannot even present one proof text, and yet anyone who does not believe their error is damned to hell.
Spiritual Israelite
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I'm seeing this a lot on this forum. People damning others to hell for merely disagreeing with their eschatology. Makes me wonder if these people even understand how someone is saved. Salvation is not based on their eschatological beliefs, that's for sure! But, many here seem to not understand that. So, we get verses like Revelation 22:18-19 and Zechariah 14:12 and others that refer to those who will experience God's wrath applied to us. How nice.
Spiritual Israelite
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Being part of Spiritual Israel has nothing to do with being part of national Israel. How many times do you need to be told that before you stop acting like I'm saying I'm part of national Israel? You have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.
Spiritual Israelite
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There is and I've proven it with scripture. Of course, you have no understanding of scripture, so that's why you can't see it. lol
Tell me how you interpret this passage:
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
If there's only one Israel, as you claim, then how do you make any sense of Paul saying "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"?
All you have proven is that you're a wannabee! Why aren't you in Israel? Too scary for you?
Ephesians 2:10-19 declares, “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth (politeia or citizenship) of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens (sumpolites) with the saints, and of the household of God. And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
Who was God going to unite us to? Was it Christ-rejecting Jews in the Middle east or was it faithful remnant Israel?
We are enjoined to believing Old Testament Israel through Jesus Christ. We have been made one. The wall of separation is gone forever. Israel has been expanded to embrace all nations today. We are true Israel. We are the circumcision. This union comes exclusively through the blood of Jesus. Anyone who refuses to embrace the cross is an enemy of God, not a friend.
According to this passage, what parties were divided with a spiritual wall? Who has Christ made one? The overwhelmingly Jewish Old Testament redeemed Church and the overwhelmingly Gentile New Testament redeemed Church. This settlement is a spiritual union of believers. This is not a natural arrangement. The fact that Christ and His work on the cross is the means of unification shows that we are looking at God’s elect throughout time. There is no other way of salvation for man.
Multiple Old Testament passages had predicted the ingathering of countless Gentiles into the covenant family. There was no sense of division or inferiority in those predictions. Quite the opposite! Jews and Gentiles would equally experience full salvation through the vicarious work of Christ in His faithful earthly assignment on man’s behalf. They would both take on the same spiritual status.
The apostle wraps up his teaching in Romans 11:17-24 with an analogy of a good olive tree, saying: “And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree (Gentiles), wert graffed in among them (natural Israel), and with them (natural Israel), partakest of the root (Jesus) and fatness (or oiliness) of the olive tree. Boast not against the branches (Israel). But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root (Jesus), but the root (Jesus) thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches (natural Israel) were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they (natural Israel) were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches (natural Israel), take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches (natural Israel), be graffed into their own olive tree?”
Who was God going to unite us to? Was it Christ-rejecting Jews in the Middle east or was it faithful remnant Israel?
No one could surely dispute we are looking at an Israeli tree. Romans 11:24 explains, speaking about natural Israel: “these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” This is an Israeli tree that holds Israeli citizens. But it was not merely a natural Israeli tree but a spiritual Israeli tree. It was a believing company. After all, if it were simply natural there would be absolutely no reason to cut out natural Israelites simply on the grounds of their race. We are clearly looking at a spiritual tree that accommodates both the believing Jew and the believing Gentile from both Old and New Testament. It embodies all those who belong to the “household of faith” throughout time.
The natural branches were broken off because of “unbelief.” Only believing Israelites survived on that tree. This is God’s faithful remnant. Gentiles have been enjoined to true Israel now “by faith.” This believing tree embodies God’s chosen people, irrespective of race. They are true Israelites. These are actually of the citizenship of Israel.
Those who are part of this symbolic tree enjoy a common spiritual identity that is reflected in a new type of citizenship. It is a spiritual citizenship that is heaven-centered which only believers can enjoy. This symbolic tree represents the Israel of God from throughout the nations – the only Israel God recognizes. No unbeliever is part of it because partaking in its blessing and sustenance comes through the exercise of faith. This joining of Jews and Gentiles together fulfilled many of the promises Abraham received about the nations being blessed in him (Genesis 12:1-3, 17:3-8, 17:15-16, 18:18 and 22:16-18).
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