Proof of Rapture before Tribulation
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The Israeli theocratic tree has been cursed forever. We are now under the new covenant where there is no racial preference. We will never go back to the old arrangement. It is time to leave the old covenant behind you.
Judaism today is apostate. It rejects Christ - man's only Savior and sacrifice for sin. The New Testament Church is true believing Israel today. We are the true Jews. We are the circumcision in God’s eyes. We are the chosen people. We are the children of Abraham.
If would care to take the time to read the NT, and let it speak for itself, you would quickly see that the NT Church is true Israel today. We are enjoined to believing Old Testament Israel through Jesus Christ. We have been made one. The wall of separation is gone forever. Israel has been expanded to embrace all nations today.
Natural designations mean nothing under the new covenant. The fact that the Holy Spirit spiritualizes all the natural old covenant Hebrew designations and relates them to the international Church of Jesus Christ speaks volumes. The fact is: we are the true children of Abraham, not ethnic Israel. We are the children of promise, not ethnic Israel. We are true Israeli citizens, not ethnic Israel. We are the circumcision, not ethnic Israel. We are the spiritual Jews, not ethnic Israel.
Spiritual Israelite
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As if that's anything to hide. You are celebrating that I don't want to be part of a nation of which the vast majority rejects Christ? As if there's something wrong with that? Unbelievable.
Quoting you: "We don't want to be part of national Israel."
And you ain't!
rebuilder 454
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Making romans 9,10,and11 a lie concerning Israel being grafted back in.
In His earthly ministry, and knowing what was coming, Christ asked the religious Jewish leaders, “Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder” (Matthew 21 42-44).
The kingdom has been taken from Israel as a nation and given to another nation. Who is that nation? It is the largely Gentile New Testament Church comprised of all believers (both Jew and Gentile).
On the day after His triumphant entry into Jerusalem, many of the citizens of Jerusalem heralded Him, saying, “Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord: Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest” (Mark 11:9-11).
But the text continues in Mark 11:13-14, “seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever.”
When Christ cursed the fig tree He was demonstrating the removing of the exclusive theocratic favor of God from the physical nation of Israel, whereas, the olive tree will exist forever. Years of abusing God’s favor, years of successive misrule among the national judges and kings, and the spiritual leaders, especially among the priests, and ongoing idolatry and stubborn rebellion among the people, finally brought the theocratic reign to an end. Never again will God’s favor be restricted to a genetic temporal earthly nation, but rather to a spiritual eternal heavenly nation.
In Matthew 23, we see Christ condemning the Jews rejection of Himself (and His impending atonement). He thus pronounced eight ‘woes’ upon them, and declared, “ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”
He continued, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (the consummation, as Daniel predicted).”
As we moved from the old covenant to the new covenant the whole ethnic bias towards Israel was removed, so was the unique theocratic system of government that existed within that land (Matthew 21:42-43, Luke 13:5-9, 28-29, 34-35). No longer would race be a special privilege in regard to election. All men would now approach God equally on the grounds of the blood of Jesus. Christ widened out the Gospel opportunity to all nations He removed the natural ethnic bias of the Gospel that strongly inclined towards natural Israelites and drew countless millions of Gentiles into that special chosen company.
Daniel 9:26-27 says, “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (mashiyach) be cut off, but not for himself, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he (Christ) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
This reading describes the final removal of the great outward center point of the old abolished Judaic system, through the destruction of the Jewish religious temple. This part of the prophecy has no time element. It is not said to be part of the 70 weeks. There is nothing in the wording of this scriptural phrase that requires the destruction of Jerusalem/the temple to occur within the seventy weeks. It was simply the inevitable consequence of the Jews rejection of their Messiah. Moreover, this confirms the fact that the desolation inflicted would continue “until the consummation,” to the time when every last enemy is put down – “unto the end of the war.”
The physical temple would remain rubble until the ending of wars and the return of Christ at the consummation.
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How about you taking them 1 at a time? You seem to have a problem with quoting or addressing God's Book. That is because it forbids the private interpretation that mark your posts.
David in NJ
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Who made Romans chapters 9, 10, 11 into a lie?
i BELIEVE all of Romans and especially ch9 -ch11
God promised that the earthbound nation Israel will remain all the way to His Second Coming.
I didn't smokescreen you.
Why do you not quote or address God's Book? Are you sacred of it? Do you not know it? Does it expose what you have been taught?
Your avoidance exposes what you promote.
I refer you back to my post that forbids your opinions.
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Spiritual Israelite
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That's right. I'm not. And I never claimed to be. Any other straw man arguments you want to make?
In Galatians 6:15, Paul declares that in Christ Jesus, circumcision and uncircumcision no longer avail anything.
What is your understanding of Galatians 6:15?
rebuilder 454
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Replacement theologhy
I described what it is.
The church becomes Israel, whom God is supposedly finished with.
Why do you think they say "terrorist Israel "
They assume they are not God's covenant people.
Those replacement theology adherents are here in droves.
rebuilder 454
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Replacement Theology title is a misrepresentation of what many of us believe. We believe in ‘Inclusion Theology’ and ‘Expansion Theology’. We see a continuity between God’s people in the Old and New Testament. We have joined faithful Israel (God's elect).
Has the Church replaced Israel's physical DNA? No
Has the Church replaced Israel's opportunity to receive Christ? No
So what has the Church replaced?
David in NJ
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There are TWO distinct Israels
the one born of the flesh of Abraham
the One Born of the Spirit thru the Faith of Abraham
The flesh of Abraham are current day Jerusalem/Israel, Jews of the flesh who are not part of the Eternal Kingdom of God in Jesus Christ
The Spirit Born sons and daughters of Abraham consist of every tribe tongue and nation that is in CHRIST = GOSPEL
The flesh always persecutes the Spirit = we SEE this as the flesh Jews/Jerusalem/Israel persecuted the Spirit Israel which is CHRIST
We SEE the flesh Jews/Jerusalem/Israel persecuting the REAL Spirit Born Jews in Acts = Read chapter 7
amigo de christo
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according to pre trib . but actually it confirms the day of the LORD is a one time event . .
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