Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[ChristinaL]

Still can't find "Spiritual Israelite" in the Bible. Must be MYTH!

The closest I can get is....

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

After al being born a Jew doesnt make you one if you arent really a believer.

 

[Keraz]

There is no relation between the time periods of Revelation and the 70th week of Daniel 9:24-27. You are trying to relate unrelated scriptures.

Daniel 12:7 proves you wrong: ....the angel raised his right hand and said: It shall be for a time, times and half a time......
That verse refers to the end time conquest and persecution and of the holy people, during the second half of the final 7 years, as per Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7 and Revelation 12:17,,,,during the 1260 days of world satanic control.

I wonder if you are even capable of changing your beliefs?
There is ample proof of the 70th week being fulfilled in the final 7 years before Jesus Returns. It IS scriptural and is what will happen.

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 12:7 proves you wrong: ....the angel raised his right hand and said: It shall be for a time, times and half a time......
That verse refers to the end time persecution and conquest of the holy people, during the second half of the final 7 years, as per Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

Now you are getting closer to the TRUTH

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Daniel 12:7 proves you wrong: ....the angel raised his right hand and said: It shall be for a time, times and half a time......
That verse refers to the end time persecution and conquest of the holy people, during the second half of the final 7 years, as per Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

You don't have any idea of what you're talking about. Absolutely none. That verse has absolutely nothing to do with the 70th week. You are constantly trying to relate unrelated scriptures which is why your overall doctrine is a complete mess and one that you have all to yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Now you are getting closer to the TRUTH

Say what? I thought you believed that the 70th week has been fulfilled, which he is denying? He is far from the truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Daniel 12:7 proves you wrong: ....the angel raised his right hand and said: It shall be for a time, times and half a time......
That verse refers to the end time conquest and persecution and of the holy people, during the second half of the final 7 years, as per Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7 and Revelation 12:17,,,,during the 1260 days of world satanic control.

I wonder if you are even capable of changing your beliefs?
There is ample proof of the 70th week being fulfilled in the final 7 years before Jesus Returns. It IS scriptural and is what will happen.

Ample proof? There is no proof of that at all. You try to relate unrelated scriptures and think I'm going to change my beliefs based on that? Not a chance. Here is proof that the 70th week was fulfilled long ago.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The six things listed in the above verse had to be fulfilled within the 70 weeks and they were, which I can support with scripture.

1. To Finish Transgression

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Hebrews 9:15 That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace".

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

2. To Put an End to Sin

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.

2 Cor 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

3. To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven


4. To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


5. To Seal Up the Vision and Prophecy

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matt 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.


6. To Anoint The Most Holy

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel.

Only Jesus could fulfill those things. Without His death and resurrection, none of those things could be fulfilled. So, if your interpretation of the 70 week prophecy does not have Him being cut off (crucified) within the 70th week, it is a false doctrine as His death is crucial to fulfilling the prophecy. He was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week (Daniel 9:26) and that placed the timing of His death within the 70th week.

Are YOU even capable of changing your beliefs? You have been shown the truth about this matter and you still reject it. That says a lot about how teachable you are.

 

[David in NJ]

Say what? I thought you believed that the 70th week has been fulfilled, which he is denying? He is far from the truth.

Daniel ch12 is closer to the TRUTH from where he currently is now.

Let us be like the LORD Jesus Christ = encourage one another in the TRUTH, correct when necessary and pray for one another.

 

[Bladerunner]

God ha smore for you Keraz and don't be a christian 'numb-skull' like so many on here = If you are in CHRIST, where are your sins Today???
This includes you @Bladerunner

I sin every day and if I could lose my salvation I would do so 20 times a day.

Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Anyone who says MESSIAH YESHUA did not fulfill the 70th Week in HIMSELF has their minds blinded just as the Jesus

why do you say Jesus fullfilled Daniel's 70th. week?????whoever told you that lied to you!

1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

The depths of evil from the LIE of pre-trib rapture blinds the minds of 'christians' to the TRUTH

The Rapture "catching up" is an Event that will happen....that is very clear from the Words of GOD in the Bible. Of course, there are many whose interpretation of God's WORD is to help themselves....Rem, the Essence of Religion is Man's attempt (needing) to control His Salvation.

 

[David in NJ]

I sin every day and if I could lose my salvation I would do so 20 times a day.

why do you say Jesus fullfilled Daniel's 70th. week?????whoever told you that lied to you!

The Rapture "catching up" is an Event that will happen....that is very clear from the Words of GOD in the Bible. Of course, there are many whose interpretation of God's WORD is to help themselves....Rem, the Essence of Religion is Man's attempt (needing) to control His Salvation.

I sin every day and if I could lose my salvation I would do so 20 times a day.

i do not know but you may not be in Salvation at all = "many will say to me Lord Lord............"

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! - 2 Corinthians 13:5

why do you say Jesus fullfilled Daniel's 70th. week?????whoever told you that lied to you!

This is so typical of those who follow men and believe their words over God's words, whereby they call God a liar!

The Rapture "catching up" is an Event that will happen............that is very clear from the Words of GOD in the Bible.

Absolutely True and the Rapture can clearly be read and seen in = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

there are many whose interpretation of God's WORD is to help themselves.

Such is the SNARE that you are caught in but you are unable to even SEE this!

the Essence of Religion is Man's attempt (needing) to control His Salvation.

Exactly the case of the false doctrine and religion of those who worship pre-trib rapture

 

[covenantee]

Ample proof? There is no proof of that at all. You try to relate unrelated scriptures and think I'm going to change my beliefs based on that? Not a chance. Here is proof that the 70th week was fulfilled long ago.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The six things listed in the above verse had to be fulfilled within the 70 weeks and they were, which I can support with scripture.

1. To Finish Transgression

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Hebrews 9:15 That is why he is the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, so that all who are invited can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace".

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

2. To Put an End to Sin

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 3:5 And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not.

2 Cor 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

3. To Make Reconciliation for Iniquity

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven


4. To Bring In Everlasting Righteousness

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


5. To Seal Up the Vision and Prophecy

Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matt 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.


6. To Anoint The Most Holy

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel.

Only Jesus could fulfill those things. Without His death and resurrection, none of those things could be fulfilled. So, if your interpretation of the 70 week prophecy does not have Him being cut off (crucified) within the 70th week, it is a false doctrine as His death is crucial to fulfilling the prophecy. He was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week (Daniel 9:26) and that placed the timing of His death within the 70th week.

Are YOU even capable of changing your beliefs? You have been shown the truth about this matter and you still reject it. That says a lot about how teachable you are.

Absolutely superb, bro; thanks.

 

[Bladerunner]

i do not know but you may not be in Salvation at all = "many will say to me Lord Lord............"

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! - 2 Corinthians 13:5

I am not worried and I am the one waiting for the rapture? WHY? because if the Rapture does not happen before I die, I still get to see and be with Him....in Heaven

This is so typical of those who follow men and believe their words over God's words, whereby they call God a liar!


Absolutely True and the Rapture can clearly be read and seen in = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Yet, you say it is post-trib.Again if this is the case, then all the evil ones in the world has been killed and according to 1 Thes 4:13-18, ALL those who believe are caught up to heaven...According to your post trib...that is everybody else on earth for all the unbelievers have been killed and only believers are left...Thus, there is no one to populate the Millennium.

Such is the SNARE that you are caught in but you are unable to even SEE this!


Exactly the case of the false doctrine and religion of those who worship pre-trib rapture

Really, Religion is Mannecessary for mankind, for it is the attempt at covering oneself with GOD.
The Essence of Religion is thus: Man's need to control his Salvation.......this is what your theology is doing....

 

[David in NJ]

I am not worried and I am the one waiting for the rapture? WHY? because if the Rapture does not happen before I die, I still get to see and be with Him....in Heaven

Yet, you say it is post-trib.Again if this is the case, then all the evil ones in the world has been killed and according to 1 Thes 4:13-18, ALL those who believe are caught up to heaven...According to your post trib...that is everybody else on earth for all the unbelievers have been killed and only believers are left...Thus, there is no one to populate the Millennium.

Really, Religion is Mannecessary for mankind, for it is the attempt at covering oneself with GOD.
The Essence of Religion is thus: Man's need to control his Salvation.......this is what your theology is doing....

Yet, you say it is post-trib.Again if this is the case, then all the evil ones in the world has been killed and according to 1 Thes 4:13-18, ALL those who believe are caught up to heaven...According to your post trib...that is everybody else on earth for all the unbelievers have been killed and only believers are left...Thus, there is no one to populate the Millennium.

Could you take a little time and be give more clarity to what you are saying here.

The Essence of Religion is thus: Man's need to control his Salvation.......this is what your theology is doing....

No, that is what the religion of pre-trib rapture is doing and those who worship it = man-made religion

Remember - the Rapture is TRUTH and is in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

pre-trib rapture is a man-made false doctrine and cannot be found ANYWHERE in the Holy Scriptures.
Furhermore, to even say pre-trib is antichrist as it directly opposes the words of the LORD and the Apostles.
In essence, you are saying that JESUS and the Apostles lied.

EVIDENCE that pre-trib is a LIE from man-made religion:

a.) John 16:33 - These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

b.) Matthew chapter 24 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

c.) Matthew chapter 24 JESUS is the WAY and His WAY is Post-Trib Resurrection and Rapture
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now the question is, will you remain in unbelief, under the spirit of error, whereby you oppose the words of God?

Or will you submit to CHRIST and believe His every word?

 

[amigo de christo]

Could you take a little time and be give more clarity to what you are saying here.


No, that is what the religion of pre-trib rapture is doing and those who worship it = man-made religion

Remember - the Rapture is TRUTH and is in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

pre-trib rapture is a man-made false doctrine and cannot be found ANYWHERE in the Holy Scriptures.
Furhermore, to even say pre-trib is antichrist as it directly opposes the words of the LORD and the Apostles.
In essence, you are saying that JESUS and the Apostles lied.

EVIDENCE that pre-trib is a LIE from man-made religion:

a.) John 16:33 - These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

b.) Matthew chapter 24 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

c.) Matthew chapter 24 JESUS is the WAY and His WAY is Post-Trib Resurrection and Rapture
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now the question is, will you remain in unbelief, under the spirit of error, whereby you oppose the words of God?

Or will you submit to CHRIST and believe His every word?

common ground bridge builders interfaith abraham peace accords IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
pre trib is simply a lie and it can be dangerous to believe this . That which is of anti christ
Is taking captive many right now . whether they are pre , mid , post , or no trib .
ITS the BIG GOD is love broad path accepting sins stuff . IT has DENIED JESUS THE CHRIST .
INTERFAITH is all over our churches and cometh in through many roads .
INTERFAITH is of ANTI CHRIST and now the very lie it was meant to lead all too
THEY HAVE BEGAN to GROW BOLD and PREACH IT . the lie that says the christain truth is no better than the muslim truth
or any truth of any religoin . NOW THIS what was the plan all along , they just had to make the churches ready for it .
THIS is that which is OF ANTI CHRIST , THIS IS THE DELUSION , THIS IS THE LIE that many shall believe
and will be damned . Pre trib , yes i do agree it can be dangerous for sure and for certain .
ANd yes we should always try and correct things even like this . BUT MAN it dont seem to matter what mindset
or trib one believes in these days , MANY are merging as one already under that which is of anti christ .
Part one was to merge the denominations of christendom with the RCC , part two , MERGE THEM ALL WITH ALL RELIGOINS .
THEY DOING THIS RIGHT NOW .

 

[Bladerunner]

Could you take a little time and be give more clarity to what you are saying here.

According to your post-trib Rapture, there will be no one to populated the 1,000 years of Jesus ' reign on earth..At the end of Daniel's 70th week, ALL non-believers are killed and all believers are caught-up to heaven. Of, course we met them on the way up for Jesus Comes back with His saints (before the post-trib Rapture). All of these that are caught up are saints of Heaven.....no body left of the millennium. so sad.

No, that is what the religion of pre-trib rapture is doing and those who worship it = man-made religion

Remember - the Rapture is TRUTH and is in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

pre-trib rapture is a man-made false doctrine and cannot be found ANYWHERE in the Holy Scriptures.
Furhermore, to even say pre-trib is antichrist as it directly opposes the words of the LORD and the Apostles.
In essence, you are saying that JESUS and the Apostles lied.

EVIDENCE that pre-trib is a LIE from man-made religion:

First of all pre-trib is a theology. a Religion means so much more...We agree the Rapture will happen.. Yet a falling away of the Churches on earth, the church by Jesus will be caught up to meet the Lord in the AIR.... At this time, The anti-Christ may be publically known. Put it this way, in the first three chapters of Revelation, the Church is spoke of 18 times. John is caught-up in chapter four where he tells us Rev 4:1, He is in heaven....the Church at this time is in Heaven....chapters 4 and 5....From this time until chapter 19, the church is not mentioned again. It is all about Judgement of the World with an emphasis on the Jewish people(2/3 of their population) will die, while over 1/2 of the population of earth will die in the first two judgements alone.

a.) John 16:33 - These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation;
but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

b.) Matthew chapter 24 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

c.) Matthew chapter 24 JESUS is the WAY and His WAY is Post-Trib Resurrection and Rapture
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now the question is, will you remain in unbelief, under the spirit of error, whereby you oppose the words of God?

Or will you submit to CHRIST and believe His every word?

You said: "and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven " is this the 2nd coming of Christ or the Rapture. A: it is the 2nd advent of Christ. Only those in the Church will hear or see Jesus in the AIR....two events both will happen.

 

[David in NJ]

According to your post-trib Rapture, there will be no one to populated the 1,000 years of Jesus ' reign on earth..At the end of Daniel's 70th week, ALL non-believers are killed and all believers are caught-up to heaven. Of, course we met them on the way up for Jesus Comes back with His saints (before the post-trib Rapture). All of these that are caught up are saints of Heaven.....no body left of the millennium. so sad.

First of all pre-trib is a theology. a Religion means so much more...We agree the Rapture will happen.. Yet a falling away of the Churches on earth, the church by Jesus will be caught up to meet the Lord in the AIR.... At this time, The anti-Christ may be publically known. Put it this way, in the first three chapters of Revelation, the Church is spoke of 18 times. John is caught-up in chapter four where he tells us Rev 4:1, He is in heaven....the Church at this time is in Heaven....chapters 4 and 5....From this time until chapter 19, the church is not mentioned again. It is all about Judgement of the World with an emphasis on the Jewish people(2/3 of their population) will die, while over 1/2 of the population of earth will die in the first two judgements alone.

You said: "and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven " is this the 2nd coming of Christ or the Rapture. A: it is the 2nd advent of Christ. Only those in the Church will hear or see Jesus in the AIR....two events both will happen.

According to your post-trib Rapture, there will be no one to populated the 1,000 years of Jesus ' reign on earth..

This is another error and is contrary to the Scriptures.
God said that HE would SPARE some at His Second Coming = Zechariah chapter 14 and Mathew chapter 24

the church by Jesus will be caught up to meet the Lord in the AIR.... At this time, The anti-Christ may be publically known.

There are no scriptures that declare what you said here(above).
Once again, you are opposing what the LORD, the Apostles and the OT prophets CLEARLY stated in 1 Thess 4:13-18

The LORD says the Abomination of Desolation/Antichrist will rise BEFORE CHRIST's Coming - Matt ch24 & 2 Thess ch2 & 1 John
This is LOUD & CLEAR in the Gospel, Matthew ch24, Genesis, OT prophets(Daniel and others) and the Apostles.

John is caught-up in chapter four where he tells us Rev 4:1, He is in heaven....the Church at this time is in Heaven....chapters 4 and 5....From this time until chapter 19, the church is not mentioned again.

This is the FALSEHOOD(LIE) as a DIRECT act of adding to God's words what HE NEVER said.

#1 - the Apostle John is NOT the Church
#2 - The Church of CHRIST is all throughout Revelation,
a.) the saints(CHURCH) are mentioned in the beginning of Revelation = 7 churches
b.) in chapter 6 while they are still on earth
c.) chapter 7 as they are being put to death while inside the Great Tribulation
d.) chapter 12 the saints(CHURCH) are on earth being killed by the Antichrist
e.) chapter 14 the saints(CHURCH) are on earth being killed
f.) chapter 16 JESUS says: Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
g.) chapter 17 the saints(CHURCH) are on earth as God calls out to them
h.) chapter 19 is the Second Coming of Christ
i.) chapter 20 is the First Resurrection as Prophesied by CHRIST in the Gospel and by the Apostles

How does Revelation OPEN to us? = What does Revelation 1:9 say???
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,
was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Whenever a person says "pre-trib" rapture they, thru man-made religion and the spirit of error, are speaking FALSEHOOD.

Did you forget Revelation Chapter 22
Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.


For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”

 

[David in NJ]

You said: "and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven " is this the 2nd coming of Christ or the Rapture. A: it is the 2nd advent of Christ. Only those in the Church will hear or see Jesus in the AIR....two events both will happen.

Another BIG DANGEROUS LIE from the lie of pre-trib.

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There does not exist in all of scripture more then His 1st Coming as Savior and His 2nd Coming as JUDGE.

In EVERY place of scripture, ESPECIALLY the Gospel, there are ONLY TWO Comings of the Lord = 1st and 2nd

For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a Second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

 

[covenantee]

Why do you HATE Israel? I love Israel!

Then you would unquestionably love Jews bombing Christians.

 

[Jack]

Then you would unquestionably love Jews bombing Christians.

Jews are bombing Christians? Why does a TINY dot on the map called Israel upset you so? Sit back and watch God FIGHT for Israel, if you can.

 

[David in NJ]

Then you would unquestionably love Jews bombing Christians.

Nope, that is very bad.
But hey, they murdered the prophets and the Son of God.

Nevertheless, DO NOT boast against the Jewish people who have a God given right to defend themselves as does every American.

 

[covenantee]

Jews are bombing Christians? Why does a TINY dot on the map called Israel upset you so? Sit back and watch God FIGHT for Israel, if you can.

Is God fighting for Jews bombing Christians?