Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[Jack]

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Israel is home to stay in the Land of the Bible!

Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[Atarah]

No, I'm sure I did not miss the point at all. You just don't like how I am refuting what you said.


Which Israel was he talking about, though? How do you interpret this passage:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.


I know you are suggesting that, so I did not miss the point. And I completely disagree with that because scripture never teaches this nonsense. God did not bring Jew and Gentile believers together as one body through the sacrifice of His Son only to again separate them at a later time. That is complete nonsense.


No! You are ignoring the entire New Testament! The only way for anyone to be saved is through faith in Christ! Period!

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

Judging by your online name, you believe that when we come to faith in Jesus, we become spiritual Israelites. If that's the case, how can the two become one NEW man since we are all Israelites? I think the two becoming one happens at the marriage supper of the lamb when the body of Christ (the groom) becomes one with the bride of Christ (redeemed Israel).

Acts 21:21-24 They have been informed about you—that you teach all the Jews now living among the Gentiles to abandon Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs... So do what we tell you... Then everyone will know there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself live in conformity with the law.

There remains, until that marriage, a distinction between Gentile Christians and Israel (Messianic and otherwise).

 

[Atarah]

Atarah,

TODAY, both Jew and Gentile must GRAB HOLD of the Hebrew MESSIAH Yeshua to be SAVED = this will never change!

While that is true, it's not what that scripture tells us.

 

[David in NJ]

The Israelis understand the illegitimacy of their action. That is why they have no explanation for it.

Why are you defending the antichrists of Israel against Christians, God's Chosen People?

The Israelis understand the illegitimacy of their action. That is why they have no explanation for it.

For the reason you stated.

 

[David in NJ]

I surely made a mistake re-engaging with you again. You have no knowledge of the Bible that would help you understand..Have a good day sir: the End.

Your mistake is in rejecting the words of God.

It is a sure sign you do not understand the Bible nor have the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit will only direct you to believing every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Now is the time to repent and turn away from man-made lies and religion and submit yourself unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

While that is true, it's not what that scripture tells us.

It is exactly what the Scripture tells us = EXACTLY.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.


But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Another BIG DANGEROUS LIE from the lie of pre-trib.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


There does not exist in all of scripture more then His 1st Coming as Savior and His 2nd Coming as JUDGE.

In EVERY place of scripture, ESPECIALLY the Gospel, there are ONLY TWO Comings of the Lord = 1st and 2nd

For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a Second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

and now a real simple question . WHY do you THINK there does not exist IN SCRIPTURE more than HIS first coming as savoir
and HIS second coming as the judge .
WHY . BECAUSE THERE BE ONLY THOSE TWO . and had people learned the bible for themselves and not rather
under men that twisted things , THEY HAD LEARNED this very well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your mistake is in rejecting the words of God.

It is a sure sign you do not understand the Bible nor have the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit will only direct you to believing every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Now is the time to repent and turn away from man-made lies and religion and submit yourself unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

IF one wants to find out the WHY so many do often believe things contrary to the scrips ,
take them down a journey to the words of JESUS himself and HIS teachings . AND YOU shall see a real simple secete my friend .
That not all BELIEVE ALL THINGS HE said . they will omit THINGS
they will even say things like what the apostels and JESUS taught NOT ALL of it applies to us today . But isay
We should have embraced EVERY thing , ALL things HE and later the apostels did teach .
In fact many now even believe and are beginning to believe the very LIE that shall damn them all .
As they clambor right under a lie , a false peace , the idea that its not necessary to even had to have BELIEVED JESUS is the CHRIST .
oh the lie is already here , ALL OVER INTERFIATH , the common ground , the abraham peace accords and religious tolerance
act that so many now accept and embrace BELIEVING this to be the PLAN OF GOD FOR WORLD PEACE N SAFETY
believing this broad path is the LOVE OF GOD . We got a serious , very very serious problem
within even christendom . part one is done and part two has set in and most just go with the flow .
They have in large merged the denominations and now they shall merge all religoins . And many
seem to see no problem at all with any of this stuff but rather believe its LOVE and of GOD .
guess many have forgotten That BY PEACE shall he destroy many .
Many have forgotten or never knew the PEACE OF GOD , and are running and have run to embrace
another peace , and that peace will lead them to SUDDEN DESTRUCTION and not the world peace n safety they thought they
would attain .

 

[David in NJ]

and now a real simple question . WHY do you THINK there does not exist IN SCRIPTURE more than HIS first coming as savoir
and HIS second coming as the judge .
WHY . BECAUSE THERE BE ONLY THOSE TWO . and had people learned the bible for themselves and not rather
under men that twisted things , THEY HAD LEARNED this very well .

The Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture.
One must know the Spirit of Truth in order to understand His words.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness

Those who argue against scripture are arguing against God.
Those who add to God's words what HE never said, to change the Truth are followers of men and not of Christ.

As more then one person on here has said: "my pastor says....."

The falling away is in full swing and will only get worse.
Just as the Apostle John said: "no lie is of the Truth"

Just as the Apostle Paul said:
For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.

These teachers of falsehood wear paper crowns and call themselves 'masters and doctors of divinity' for they love praise from men.

 

[David in NJ]

IF one wants to find out the WHY so many do often believe things contrary to the scrips ,
take them down a journey to the words of JESUS himself and HIS teachings . AND YOU shall see a real simple secete my friend .
That not all BELIEVE ALL THINGS HE said . they will omit THINGS
they will even say things like what the apostels and JESUS taught NOT ALL of it applies to us today . But isay
We should have embraced EVERY thing , ALL things HE and later the apostels did teach .
In fact many now even believe and are beginning to believe the very LIE that shall damn them all .
As they clambor right under a lie , a false peace , the idea that its not necessary to even had to have BELIEVED JESUS is the CHRIST .
oh the lie is already here , ALL OVER INTERFIATH , the common ground , the abraham peace accords and religious tolerance
act that so many now accept and embrace BELIEVING this to be the PLAN OF GOD FOR WORLD PEACE N SAFETY
believing this broad path is the LOVE OF GOD . We got a serious , very very serious problem
within even christendom . part one is done and part two has set in and most just go with the flow .
They have in large merged the denominations and now they shall merge all religoins . And many
seem to see no problem at all with any of this stuff but rather believe its LOVE and of GOD .
guess many have forgotten That BY PEACE shall he destroy many .
Many have forgotten or never knew the PEACE OF GOD , and are running and have run to embrace
another peace , and that peace will lead them to SUDDEN DESTRUCTION and not the world peace n safety they thought they
would attain .

That BY PEACE shall he destroy many .
Many have forgotten or never knew the PEACE OF GOD , and are running and have run to embrace

This is the spirit of antichrist = it duplicates what God has said but redirects it away from God to man

The MOST CLEAR example of the spirit of antichrist is the Vatican.

The Harlot has many children and Her children will mimic Her ways = "my priest/pastor says.................."

Just imagine how GLORIOUS it could be right now, Today, if God's people (Jew & Gentile) listened to the only Voice of Truth
and went to their rabbis, pastors, priests and imam with the Word of their Heavenly FATHER and spoke the Truth to them,
just as JESUS and the Apostles and Stephen did.

For that my Brother, is the definition of REVIVAL

 

[covenantee]

Israel is home to stay in the Land of the Bible!

Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[Jack]

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

Why aren't you in Israel? Too scary for you?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

People have been duped into thinking that modern day Israelites, who are like the 1st century chief priests and Pharisees in how they reject Christ, are God's chosen people. They should read how Jesus talked to such people in Matthew 23. It's pretty clear that He did not consider those who rejected Him to be among His people. It's not about nationality because God is not a respecter of persons. It's about whether or not someone has faith in Christ. Scripture teaches this repeatedly, but that gets ignored.

 

[covenantee]

Why aren't you in Israel? Too scary for you?

Why can't you respond to my post? Too Scriptural for you?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why aren't you in Israel? Too scary for you?

Why don't you try addressing the scriptures he is presenting that don't support anything you're saying? Too scared to do so?

 

[Jack]

Why can't you respond to my post? Too Scriptural for you?

Aren't you claiming to be Israel?

 

[Jack]

Why don't you try addressing the scriptures he is presenting that don't support anything you're saying? Too scared to do so?

Another Jew wannabee? lol Why aren't you in Israel?

 

[covenantee]

Aren't you claiming to be Israel?

Link to that post.

 

[covenantee]

Another Jew wannabee? lol Why aren't you in Israel?

Why would a Christian "wannabee" an antichrist?

 

[Jack]

Link to that post.

It was a question.