Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

[David in NJ]

You can light a dry wick any time of the day or night and the result is the same. The women woke from sleep in the night when they heard the cry go out. It was showtime. They knew it was finally time. The wise women (saved) had oil of the spirit in them already. They took that with them wherever they went. The foolish women had no oil at all. They had lamps that looked somewhat similar to the wise women. Yet it was just a show. They actually had no spirit of God in them, they were not saved. So what they took obviously was not sufficient to enter the feast (Rapture in this case since we are applying this to the Rapture here). There is no works or self righteousness of our own or anything we can bring except Jesus and the price He paid to redeem us. You are saying they carried some 'extra container'. Obviously that is made up entirely.
If we want to apply this parable to the return in the air of Jesus (Rapture) where believers are gathered up, then I do not see how we can say the ones left behind were saved? What some here have been trying to say is that some were sort of more saved than others, because they had a stack of accumulated good works that made them eligible to be resurrected.

including @ewq1938

Their lamps went out because they did not BELIEVE Jesus at His word.

"Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path." - Psalm 119:105

 

[dad]

including @ewq1938

Their lamps went out because they did not BELIEVE Jesus at His word.

"Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path." - Psalm 119:105

Right in other words they were not saved by believing in Jesus. When 10 women get suddenly woke up in the night, they have no time to do anything much. If this was the Rapture that happens in a moment of time, then they *the foolish) would be found lacking. I don't see how one could apply that to saved believers. Yes, some believers lack works that merit great reward and have less reward. That does not mean they are forsaken and left behind in the resurrection in the last day of the living and the dead.

 

[David in NJ]

Right in other words they were not saved by believing in Jesus. When 10 women get suddenly woke up in the night, they have no time to do anything much. If this was the Rapture that happens in a moment of time, then they *the foolish) would be found lacking. I don't see how one could apply that to saved believers. Yes, some believers lack works that merit great reward and have less reward. That does not mean they are forsaken and left behind in the resurrection in the last day of the living and the dead.

You are on TARGET = DIRECT BULLSEYE = according to the words of CHRIST and the Apostles

Just one thing = they were not saved by a head knowledge of Jesus(religion) for they knew ABOUT Him

JESUS said the the foolish "I DO NOT KNOW you"

 

[David in NJ]

Right in other words they were not saved by believing in Jesus. When 10 women get suddenly woke up in the night, they have no time to do anything much. If this was the Rapture that happens in a moment of time, then they *the foolish) would be found lacking. I don't see how one could apply that to saved believers. Yes, some believers lack works that merit great reward and have less reward. That does not mean they are forsaken and left behind in the resurrection in the last day of the living and the dead.

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[dad]

You are on TARGET = DIRECT BULLSEYE = according to the words of CHRIST and the Apostles

Just one thing = they were not saved by a head knowledge of Jesus(religion) for they knew ABOUT Him

JESUS said the the foolish "I DO NOT KNOW you"

Sad. I guess the time to get oil (come to Jesus in heart) is now, while it is still (barely) day.

One point also in that parable is that what mattered was what inside their 'lamps'

 

[David in NJ]

Sad. I guess the time to get oil (come to Jesus in heart) is now, while it is still (barely) day.

One point also in that parable is that what mattered was what inside their 'lamps'

TRUE

Outward religion or affiliation with a church/denomination is not how we are SAVED

 

[dad]

TRUE

Outward religion or affiliation with a church/denomination is not how we are SAVED

True. I think some of the posters here don't care so much if people are saved or not in regards to the Rapture. There are some who think that something other than the blood of Jesus (add some good works or watching, overcoming etc) is needed to be in the Rapture. Their idea is that He is going to leave behind seemingly most believers. (not quite up to the right level of goodness or whatever)

 

[David in NJ]

True. I think some of the posters here don't care so much if people are saved or not in regards to the Rapture. There are some who think that something other than the blood of Jesus (add some good works or watching, overcoming etc) is needed to be in the Rapture. Their idea is that He is going to leave behind seeming most believers. (not quite up to the right level of goodness or whatever)

As you know, God NEVER said HE would leave any who Belong to Him 'behind'. - Hebrews 13:5-6

Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
So we may boldly say:

“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”

'Left-Behind' Saints? = someone is LYING and it is not GOD!

 

[Behold]

Right now......in these "end times", and "last days".. that happen just before the ""Tribulation"" starts.....God is a shield for Israel and a protector of Israel..........even as we are in the "time of the Gentiles"... according to the Bible, where God is specifically dealing with the GENTILE WORLD, ever since Jesus died on The Cross.

The CROSS birthed the Church, that is mostly Gentiles... as that is "the TIME of the GENTILES".. for the last 2000 yrs, since Jesus was Sacrificed.

This "time" or "season", is going to end.

See that "TIME.... of the Gentiles".... ????????? = : = That is going to end, and the Tribulation then starts, and we are on the EDGE of this.. and that is why you see the world against Israel, right now, and for the last year.. and it suddenly TURNED...against the JEW, against Israel........as the Bible stated will happen, in the "last days", during the "time of the gentiles".. and just before the "Rapture" of the Believers, which leads into the Tribulation, down here on Earth.

The "Tribulation", starts, when the "time of the Gentiles" ends, and that could be today.....or in a week......it is so very soon, because all that the bible foretold, so that the Christians could KNOW the season, the TIME.... the SIGNS........... all this is now here.
This Sign.... "Gay rights".....correlates with "as in the days of Noah".......and that SIGN has now taken over the world, and is the last "SIGN" the Bible reveals..other then the world turning on the JEW..... .and these signs have come... and they are impossible to miss.

Even most Evangelical Preachers, are shouting "end time".. "Rapture" as you can't miss it.

The Tribulation..........is about to start, and the Born Again Christians will be taken off this earth by Jesus Himself, before the Trib starts.

What is the Trib?
Its when God resumes His dealing with the JEW, .. as the "time of the Gentiles" has ended. And we are so close to this Reader.....and that is why the world is upside down, as you see it, as the initial shaking is underway that is the precursor to the Trib and Grt Trib.

If you are reading this, and you are not sure you are going to Heaven....
=
Lets make you certain.

Jesus told you, if you Believe in Him...if you Give God your Faith in Christ.....knowing you are a sinner needing to be forgiven, then God will take your faith, and accept it to accept you, and Jesus will give you His Eternal Life.

Jesus said...."All who BELIEVE in Me, i give unto them.. ETERNAL LIFE, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)".

Listen...
You dont have to worry about how you say it.......how you ask God to save you, ... all that is important is that you know you need God's forgiveness and you KNOW that Jesus is the Savior who died for all your sin, and you reach out to Him the best way you know how.

Call on Him Today... Reader.
Open your heart to Jesus, now.
Receive Jesus today as your Savior, and get your eternity solved so that this is resolved and resolved forever.

 

[David in NJ]

Right now......in these "end times", and "last days".. that happen just before the ""Tribulation"" starts.....God is a shield for Israel and a protector of Israel..........even as we are in the "time of the Gentiles"... according to the Bible, where God is specifically dealing with the GENTILE WORLD, ever since Jesus died on The Cross.

The CROSS birthed the Church, that is mostly Gentiles... as that is "the TIME of the GENTILES".. for the last 2000 yrs, since Jesus was Sacrificed.

This "time" or "season", is going to end.

See that "TIME.... of the Gentiles".... ????????? = : = That is going to end, and the Tribulation then starts, and we are on the EDGE of this.. and that is why you see the world against Israel, right now, and for the last year.. and it suddenly TURNED...against the JEW, against Israel........as the Bible stated will happen, in the "last days", during the "time of the gentiles".. and just before the "Rapture" of the Believers, which leads into the Tribulation, down here on Earth.

The "Tribulation", starts, when the "time of the Gentiles" ends, and that could be today.....or in a week......it is so very soon, because all that the bible foretold, so that the Christians could KNOW the season, the TIME.... the SIGNS........... all this is now here.
This Sign.... "Gay rights".....correlates with "as in the days of Noah".......and that SIGN has now taken over the world, and is the last "SIGN" the Bible reveals..other then the world turning on the JEW..... .and these signs have come... and they are impossible to miss.

Even most Evangelical Preachers, are shouting "end time".. "Rapture" as you can't miss it.

The Tribulation..........is about to start, and the Born Again Christians will be taken off this earth by Jesus Himself, before the Trib starts.

What is the Trib?
Its when God resumes His dealing with the JEW, .. as the "time of the Gentiles" has ended. And we are so close to this Reader.....and that is why the world is upside down, as you see it, as the initial shaking is underway that is the precursor to the Trib and Grt Trib.

If you are reading this, and you are not sure you are going to Heaven....
=
Lets make you certain.

Jesus told you, if you Believe in Him...if you Give God your Faith in Christ.....knowing you are a sinner needing to be forgiven, then God will take your faith, and accept it to accept you, and Jesus will give you His Eternal Life.

Jesus said...."All who BELIEVE in Me, i give unto them.. ETERNAL LIFE, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)".

Listen...
You dont have to worry about how you say it.......how you ask God to save you, ... all that is important is that you know you need God's forgiveness and you KNOW that Jesus is the Savior who died for all your sin, and you reach out to Him the best way you know how.

Call on Him Today... Reader.
Open your heart to Jesus, now.
Receive Jesus today as your Savior, and get your eternity solved so that this is resolved and resolved forever.

The "Tribulation", starts, when the "time of the Gentiles" ends,

the Tribulation began a long time ago!
the Great Tribulation Begins prior to the Second Coming of CHRIST = Gospel/Apostles/Revelation

The "time of the Gentiles" is speaking of the Statue in Daniel chapter 2 which are the world governing powers that be!
This Gentile Rule will come to an END when CHRIST RETURNS/the Second Coming

"And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”

The Kingdom of God is for Jew & Gentile in CHRIST:
One FATHER, One LORD, One SPIRIT, One Shepherd, One Flock One BODY of CHRIST = One NEW MAN

 

[Behold]

the Tribulation began a long time ago!
the Great Tribulation Begins prior to the Second Coming of CHRIST = Gospel/Apostles/Revelation

The "time of the Gentiles" started long ago.
Exactly when Christ's Blood and Death began the "body of Christ".

We, the born again "bride" are still in the "time of the Gentiles".

This is going to end, and then the Trib will begin, followed by the GrtTrib.

The "Rapture" will be subsequent to the end of the "time of the gentiles" and directly before the "Trib" starts.

 

[David in NJ]

The "time of the Gentiles" started long ago.
Exactly when Christ's Blood and Death began the "body of Christ".

We, the born again "bride" are still in the "time of the Gentiles".

This is going to end, and then the Trib will begin, followed by the GrtTrib.

The "Rapture" will be subsequent to the end of the "time of the gentiles" and directly before the "Trib" starts.

Are you able to see the prophecy of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ in Daniel ch2?

 

[Behold]

Are you able to see the prophecy of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ in Daniel ch2?

Reader,

Let me show you some simple things that can help you, with trying to "rightly DIVIDE" the word of God.


Notice.

God deals with man, with mankind, differently, at different times, and God deals with JEWs, specifically, in a different way.

Lets call these "seasons"... where for some period of time, God, deals with man, in a certain way, and then His dealing, these "seasons", end, and another begins, and God does something different with Mankind.

Notice.

You have..

1.) From the Garden of Eden, to Moses..

see that "season"?
And during that TIME.... there was NO LAW.

2.) The LAW enters........."Moses Law".. so, that is the beginning of God doing something different with Man.

3.) The Cross of Christ....... This ends, Moses Law, that started with Moses, and ends, with the Crucifixion.... but, this change is only for the born again... As the unbelievers are still UNDER Moses Law., until they believe, and then they become "not under the Law, but UNDER Grace".

3.) When the Cross was raised... the "time of the Gentiles" began.. and we are all in this "season" or this TIME. = Currently.

4.) The TIME of the Gentiles..""" is going to end soon, and the Trib will start.

5.) Trib has started, and then the Grt Trib will start.. leading to the

6.) 2nd Advent...

7.) leading to the Millennial Reign...

See all that?

Each of those is... God doing something, for a TIME, for a SEASON, and then it ends, and something else begins...according to God's plan.


So, when a person does not "rightly divided the word" as Paul teaches, then they wrongly divide it, and that is where all the confusion comes from, that causes 45,000 denominations to exist in the world.
Its what caused CALVINISM... Catholicism... Mormonism, JW's.. .and all the other Cults.

 

[David in NJ]

Let me show you some simple things that can help you, with trying to "rightly DIVIDE" the word of God.


Notice.

God deals with man, with mankind, differently, at different times, and God deals with JEWs, specifically, in a different way.

Lets call these "seasons"... where for some period of time, God, deals with man, in a certain way, and then His dealing, these "seasons", end, and another begins, and God does something different with Mankind.

Notice.

You have..

1.) From the Garden of Eden, to Moses..

see that "season"?
And during that TIME.... there was NO LAW.

2.) The LAW enters........."Moses Law".. so, that is the beginning of God doing something different with Man.

3.) The Cross of Christ....... This ends, Moses Law, that started with Moses, and ends, with the Crucifixion.... but, this change is only for the born again... As the unbelievers are still UNDER Moses Law., until they believe, and then they become "not under the Law, but UNDER Grace".

3.) When the Cross was raised... the "time of the Gentiles" began.. and we are all in this "season" or this TIME.

4.) The TIME of the Gentiles..""" is going to end soon, and the Trib will start.

5.) Trib has started, and then the Grt Trib will start.. leading to the

6.) 2nd Advent...

7.) leading to the Millennial Reign...

See all that?

Each of those is... God doing something, for a TIME, for a SEASON, and then it end, and something else begins...


So, when a person does not "rightly divided the word" as Paul teaches, then they wrongly divide it, and that is where all the confusion comes from, that causes 45,000 denominations to exist in the world.
Its what caused CALVINISM... Catholicism... Mormonism, JW's.. .and all the others Cults.

Are you able to see the prophecy of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ in Daniel ch2?

Jesus says: But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

YES or NO?

 

[Behold]

Are you able to see the prophecy of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ in Daniel ch2?

Jesus says: But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

YES or NO?

Am i able to see how you are twisting that verse, according to the cult or commentary that taught you to see it that way?

Oh YES.
Thats a : YES

 

[David in NJ]

Am i able to see how you are twisting that verse, according to the cult or commentary that taught you to see it that way?

Oh YES.
Thats a : YES

Heavy accusation there!

ALL false witnesses like to accuse without any EVIDENCE to back up their accusations.

TRUTH #1 - There does not exist a single extra-biblical commentary in my posts to you.

TRUTH #2 - Daniel 2:44-45 was posted to you.

TRUTH #3 - You are being asked: Are you able to see the prophecy of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ in Daniel 2:44-45

TRUTH #4 - Just as JESUS said: You neither answered "YES or No" to the question but you gave yourself to the evil one for slander.

TRUTH #5 - i forgive you AND please refrain from false accusations and slander

 

[rebuilder 454]

You can light a dry wick any time of the day or night and the result is the same. The women woke from sleep in the night when they heard the cry go out. It was showtime. They knew it was finally time. The wise women (saved) had oil of the spirit in them already. They took that with them wherever they went. The foolish women had no oil at all. They had lamps that looked somewhat similar to the wise women. Yet it was just a show. They actually had no spirit of God in them, they were not saved. So what they took obviously was not sufficient to enter the feast (Rapture in this case since we are applying this to the Rapture here). There is no works or self righteousness of our own or anything we can bring except Jesus and the price He paid to redeem us. You are saying they carried some 'extra container'. Obviously that is made up entirely.
If we want to apply this parable to the return in the air of Jesus (Rapture) where believers are gathered up, then I do not see how we can say the ones left behind were saved? What some here have been trying to say is that some were sort of more saved than others, because they had a stack of accumulated good works that made them eligible to be resurrected.

ALL HAD OIL

YOU NEED IT TO BE SOMETHING ELSE.
A 2 YEAR OLD CAN SEE IT.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The verse said the foolish ones did not bring any oil. Why would we assume the word of God is wrong?

If there was oil maybe they would stay lit long enough to get Raptured! Too bad they were foolish and had no oil. At least the bible does not say they had any. It does say they did not bring any. I guess the bottom line is that some people miss the resurrection at that time. Now you apprently do not want to accept that anyone missing it would not be saved. Instead, you think what exactly? Why are some believers left behind? Jesus never even left on sheep in the hundred behind!

Except you made that up. Why? Because they lit their wicks and it went out quickly. If there was a little oil in there maybe it would go an hour or two. They brought no oil. We know that. You are saying they did bring oil inside the lamp.

No, because a car will not run by burning a seat of a visor, or something. A lamp can burn the wick with no oil. No comparison.

You are the one claiming they did have oil when the bile out and states that they brought NO oil. I am changing nothing, you are totally hammering the text to fit your pet theories.

I have no doctrine on the foolish people who will not be resurrected. You have a doctrine that says they actually were believers and saved and still left behind. Face the truth.

Ok
you and Dave NJ are convinced that "their lamps went out during the night" proves they NEVER HAD OIL.

Let me start backing up from both of you.
You guys are not well if you connect the dots that way.

Woah.

 

[rebuilder 454]

including @ewq1938

Their lamps went out because they did not BELIEVE Jesus at His word.

"Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path." - Psalm 119:105

No
Oil is representative of the Holy Spirit.

That is the truth.
But if you need it changed, you really really really got more of a problem than the Bible can help you with.
You have to do some introspection.
Your heart is in trouble.

 

[David in NJ]

No
Oil is representative of the Holy Spirit.

That is the truth.
But if you need it changed, you really really really got more of a problem than the Bible can help you with.
You have to do some introspection.
Your heart is in trouble.

Where was scripture changed?