No, the church started with Jesus and Peter remember? Noah was not in the church.
They were brought in to the church by way of the blood of Christ. Moses and Elijah were talking to Jesus at His transfiguration, but you want to try to claim they are not in His church? All believers from all-time belong to Him and are now in His church.
Nothing of course in there about the church at all. Jesus had not come in the old testament time. The church was started at a certain time by Jesus. Yes there were believers in the old testament and yea they were saved by belief that Jesus would come one day. The saints on earth in the tribulation after the church is gone will also be saved by belief in Jesus! That does not mean they are the church
You are not even thinking here. Is there any way for anyone from any time to be saved apart from the blood of Christ? No. So, His blood brought all the OT saints into the church.
As you have learned my arguments actually have conquered yours without even getting out of breath.
LOL. Your arguments are extremely weak and lacking in substance. Everyone here can see that.
What point? The point when we are Raptured to be in the air with Him, of course we all will be in the air. Jesus will not return (or us) to earth again till after the tribulation is over. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, as Jesus said.
Where does scripture teach that? Nowhere. You just keep making things up.
Show me any it happens anywhere else!
LOL! It doesn't indicate one way or another where it happens, so maybe you shouldn't base your doctrine on something like that which isn't explicitly taught in scripture, eh?
Great, so that is the folks coming with Him to earth. Of course they will receive their bodies also along with the rest of the dead that are raised up and the living! One big party.
So, you previously thought it was saints with bodies coming with Him. See how you just make assumptions about things? You need a lot more corrections to your doctrine besides just that one.
No one knows when the Rapture is. The world will still be here then. The tribulation is the wrath.
The destruction that will occur when the rapture occurs will be complete. No mortals will escape it. That is what is taught in 1 Thess 4:14-5:3.
Read the bible man does survive the tribulation.
Define your terms. I'm talking about the "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" that will come on the day of the Lord when Jesus returns unexpectedly like a thief in the night. What are you talking about?
As it will. Lots of destruction. As I said, early on a third of mankind is killed. It gets worse from there. Much worse. That is over years. Not all over afternoon tea, sorry.
It's not wise to take everything in the book of Revelation literally. It causes you to contradict other scripture. Paul said they will say "peace and safety" before Jesus returns and Jesus Himself said it will be like in the days of Noah and days of Lot before He comes which means people, for the most part, will be doing their normal daily things and will have no idea what is coming. In your doctrine, they will know that something is coming.
Easy, that is not till the end of the 1000 years. That is when the day of the Lord ends. Not before the tribulation!
You are not even looking at the text which is related directly to the second coming of Christ. In 2 Peter 3:3-4 Peter points out how there are scoffers in the last days scoffing at the promise of His second coming. Then in verses 6 and 7 Peter contrasts what happened with the flood in Noah's day to what will happen when Jesus returns, just like Jesus Himself did in Matthew 24:35-39 and Luke 17:26-30. In 2 Peter 3:6-7 Peter pointed out how the earth will be destroyed by fire when Christ returns in contrast to being destroyed by water in Noah's day. After pointing out that it hasn't been long from the Lord's perspective for Him to return, Peter said this:
2 Peter 3:10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
We know that Peter was talking about what will happen when Christ returns here because Paul talked about the same thing in 1 Thess 5:2-3 and referred to the destruction that will happen at that point as "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape". What mortal could escape fire coming down on the earth? We know that will happen when Christ returns because Peter tells his readers to consider what kind of people they are and to consider their behavior in anticipation of the event he described. Why would he have done that if what he described could not happen in the lifetimes of any of his readers, as is the case in the way you interpret it? In your doctrine, there is no reason for anyone to heed what Peter wrote in 2 Peter 3:11-12 because you say it can't happen in our lifetimes as it supposedly won't even happen until 1,000+ years after Christ returns. Think about it.
You grow boring repeating your conflated misunderstanding of all prophesy, trying to roll it all into one burrito. That is a lack of understanding. Better stick to the topic rather than offer a buffet of misconceptions.
LOL. This is what people say when they have no answer for what is being presented to them. You clearly didn't think this all though before creating this thread and you are completely unprepared and unable to defend your false doctrine.
