Pre-Trib Rapture Danger To Your Soul

[teamventure]

You are RIGHT that Ezekiel 13 chapter is about FALSE PROPHETS in the Church. And like GOD said there (not me), those false prophets CLAIM that God said, and He did not!

Do you even know what the word 'divining' means? The way God is using the idea there is like those false prophets just dream up stupid ideas out of 'thin air'.

And God's hatred is of the false pre-trib rapture theory of men is STRONGLY SHOWN there when God said He is against those who hunt the souls TO MAKE THEM FLY! That is all about the idea of ESCAPE, which is what the false pre-trib rapture theory teaches, which is NOT going to happen in the last days. Christ showed His coming to gather His saints is NOT until AFTER the tribulation, so there is NO escaping it!

Attributing that Ezekiel passage about making souls fly to a pre-trib position is pulling things out of thin air. So by your own standards you are guilty.
This whole idea about pre-trib position meaning that those who do will fall for the ac is pulling things out of thin air. You sir are a hypocrite.

 

[teamventure]

Nah, it is YOU... that has NO EXCUSE, simply because you REFUSE CHRIST'S SIGNS FOR THE END THAT HE GAVE IN HIS OLIVET DISCOURSE, WHICH ARE ALSO THE SEALS OF REVELATION 6!

And just HOW SICK is your vain attempt to falsely try to turn that around against The Word of God? You reveal you're not really interested in The Word of God as written, but are just playing church.




FYI... the MAJORITY of Christians in the world DO NOT BELIEVE ON A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE.

And your statement is a FLAT LIE, because as pre-tribbers reveal by their own Biblical illiteracy, THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE SIGNS OF THE END LORD JESUS GAVE! Their false pre-trib rapture leaders even tell them the lie that Christ's Olivet discourse isn't even for His Church!

You are the one who is SICK with hatred towards those who don't agree with YOU.
You are bearing bad fruit with your lack of love towards brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[teamventure]

How CRAZY a statement is that??? A believer on men's false notions sanctify themselves by following them? That's ignorant!

You are anti-biblical and attacking the truth of scripture while claiming to do the opposite. You are doing the devils work.

 

[Davy]

Attributing that Ezekiel passage about making souls fly to a pre-trib position is pulling things out of thin air. So by your own standards you are guilty.

I am NOT guilty of misinterpreting that Ezekiel 13 chapter. You probably would love to BURN it if you had half a chance:

Ezek 13:20-22
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
KJV

ESPECIALLY today, the beth-aven (house of vanity) churches, more and more steer clear of God's Word as written, and instead preach PROSPERITY and giving their monies to the preacher, and don't worry about anything, like FUTURE SIN, because all is covered! But that is not what Christ and His Apostles taught, with Jesus even showing that those of His that do 'iniquity' He is going to tell to get away from Him when He returns (Matthew 7).

This whole idea about pre-trib position meaning that those who do will fall for the ac is pulling things out of thin air. You sir are a hypocrite.

You are actually mocking GOD and His Word by your saying that. It's because His Word warns us about falling away to the coming false one, even using the idea that we are to remain "a chaste virgin" waiting on Him! (2 Corinthians 11).

 

[Davy]

You are the one who is SICK with hatred towards those who don't agree with YOU.
You are bearing bad fruit with your lack of love towards brothers and sisters in Christ.

I do all this IN LOVE, it's just called TOUCH LOVE, which is what rebuke is when given to brethren.

Titus 1:13-14
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

So Apostle Paul was wrong when he told Timothy to REBUKE in the Church?

Do you rebuke your own when they do wrong, or just let them continue to sin?

 

[Davy]

You are anti-biblical and attacking the truth of scripture while claiming to do the opposite. You are doing the devils work.

Does that mean you CLAIM your false pre-trib rapture theory is truth in God's Word? If so, then WHY haven't you been able to PROVE it in God's written Word?

God is my Judge, that I have continually shown in this thread His written Word that reveals man's pre-trib rapture theory IS NOT WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

 

[Davy]

You are anti-biblical and attacking the truth of scripture while claiming to do the opposite. You are doing the devils work.

I want you to tell me when the Antichrist shows up for the end of this world. Afterall, in 2 Thessalonians 2 Apostle Paul taught that false one is to be REVEALED BEFORE Jesus comes to gather His faithful Church.

 

[teamventure]

I do all this IN LOVE, it's just called TOUCH LOVE, which is what rebuke is when given to brethren.

Titus 1:13-14
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

So Apostle Paul was wrong when he told Timothy to REBUKE in the Church?

Do you rebuke your own when they do wrong, or just let them continue to sin?

Perhaps you should consider it a sin to hate those who disagree with you on the rapture. I'm sure there are more topics that are evil that you could be fighting against instead of being so divisive against fellow Christians.

 

[teamventure]

Does that mean you CLAIM your false pre-trib rapture theory is truth in God's Word? If so, then WHY haven't you been able to PROVE it in God's written Word?

God is my Judge, that I have continually shown in this thread His written Word that reveals man's pre-trib rapture theory IS NOT WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

You haven't provided any scriptural proof for your assinine claims that belief in the rapture is a salvation issue. Not one iota. The burden of proof is on YOU.

 

[Johann]

Your phrases like "precise epignosis" is NOT going to be understood by the majority. It's just confusion with men's intellectualism, trying to create a false sense of credibility.

My apologies-I made the assumption that you are familiar with this word-which simply means-full-precise knowledge.
You come across as very dogmatic in your views on Scriptures-and any or everyone disagreeing with you are "in trouble"-Know what I mean?

1Co 12:15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.
1Co 12:16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell?
1Co 12:18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose.
1Co 12:19 If all were a single member, where would the body be?
1Co 12:20 As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.
1Co 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.”
1Co 12:22 On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,
1Co 12:23 and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty,
1Co 12:24 which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it,
1Co 12:25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
1Co 12:26 If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.

Too many dogmatic isms and schisms-and this online-where everyone is right-in his own eyes-and everyone wrong who dares to disagree with "me"
God bless
Johann.

 

[marks]

So why didn't you NOTE that timing above that Jesus gave for those events... "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."? Why did you bypass that timing He gave us?

Because that wasn't the point I was addressing. But yes, Jesus returns in power and glory immediately after the tribulation.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You haven't provided any scriptural proof for your assinine claims that belief in the rapture is a salvation issue. Not one iota. The burden of proof is on YOU.

Of course it's not a salvation issue! One thing is . . . receiving Jesus, our Savior and Lord.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What i post is clear as a bell, if you can hear it.


And here is the idea..

You wrote..,"the bible does not say the lake of fire is the Wrath of God"

I wrote, The Lake of Fire is the execution of the Wrath of God against Unbelievers.
Its their 2nd Death.

Well that would be quibbling over words.

And no you do not post clear as a bell. You are asked simple questions and give verbose evasive answers.

 

[Behold]

Well that would be quibbling over words.

And no you do not post clear as a bell. You are asked simple questions and give verbose evasive answers.

There is no sin in Christ. The Born again are "in Christ".

This is you, if you are born again.

= 1 John 3:9

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no sin in Christ. The Born again are "in Christ".

This is you, if you are born again.

= 1 John 3:9

I am in Christ! Have been for 49 years now! But if you are referring to living a sinlessly perfect life- that is a lie.

 

[Behold]

I am in Christ! Have been for 49 years now! But if you are referring to living a sinlessly perfect life- that is a lie.

No sin if you are born again.

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"....as "The one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin".


Let me show you something, Ronald.

There is no sin found in God's Righteousness., and all the born again are become "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

How?

All the born again have received "The Gift of Righteousness".

There is no sin found in God's Righteousness.

Believe it. Its not too late, even tho for 49 yrs you've not been able to understand "Redemption" and "The Gift of Salvation".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No sin if you are born again.

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"....as "The one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin".


Let me show you something, Ronald.

There is no sin found in God's Righteousness., and all the born again are become "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

How?

All the born again have received "The Gift of Righteousness".

There is no sin found in God's Righteousness.

Believe it. Its not too late, even tho for 49 yrs you've not been able to understand "Redemption" and "The Gift of Salvation".

Once again you mix a truth with your vain philosophy and create the monstrous lie you have carried for four threads I have exposed you on.

And you r last line proves you a liar!

Christ is my righteousness and there is no sin in Him. IN my flesh dwells no good thing. and if you really read Pauls' epistles you would know we have to battle our old nature daily though God has declared it dead!

YOu show yourself a shallow reader of the Word of God and love to muddle your answers with many useless words.

 

[Davy]

My apologies-I made the assumption that you are familiar with this word-which simply means-full-precise knowledge.

And there's that bragging at INTELLECTUALISM that I was talking about.

 

[Davy]

Perhaps you should consider it a sin to hate those who disagree with you on the rapture.

You'd first have to realize that's exactly what YOU... have been doing first.

 

[Davy]

You haven't provided any scriptural proof for your assinine claims that belief in the rapture is a salvation issue. Not one iota. The burden of proof is on YOU.

I HAVE provided tons... of Scripture support for a POST-TRIBULATIONAL coming of Lord Jesus Christ and His gathering of His Church.

You LIE, because YOU haven't given ANY Scripture backing for your pre-trib rapture theory at all!

Hitler did that same thing you're doing, telling a LIE often enough you think the stupid and gullible will believe it!