OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Eternally Grateful]

Those parables have an entirely different meaning to me than to yourself. Jesus said "it is given to you to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not". He was referring to the parables, this means I don't need the parables because I know the the conclusion of the matter and they have been given a puzzle which is confusing and keeps them guessing.
You obviously ignore this fact because it's not convenient and it exposes your error.

lol

Its not for you. Yet Jesus said it is for you to know. through these parables. the mysteries..

jesus spoke in parables so only his children can understand them, the rest would not understand them..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why was Jesus playing games with unbelievers and giving them puzzles which they could never figure out and why did He reveal the puzzles to His disciples???, go figure

Because the disciples needed to know the mystery he was explaining. Unlike you, who think you do not need to understand them.. I guess your special?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You missed the point, it was given to them as a riddle or puzzle which they can never figure out, but it was given the Disciples in the complete for so they didn't need to go figure, as the unbelievers had to try in vein to figure out. As we can see here, most are still clueless as to the meaning so it proves Jesus was right, they will never get it.

I would say your one of the ones who are confused.

and I notice how you flip flopped. first it was not for us, now it is?? which is it??

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nothing you have said about God, can be confirmed by the Bible. Your theology is based on your private opinion, and it's way off what the Bible teaches about Him

again sir, what have a said about him that is wrong?

You can not make silly accusations without showing evidence of what your claiming to be true.

show me and the rest of the chatroom what I have said that was wrong about God.. then back it up with scripture.

or else. you are just showing you are nothing but a troll

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Everybody adds their own conditions to the gospel,

If you add conditions, you would fall under the legalistic gospel.

some more some less but I don't know of any of the 45,000 Christian Denominations which accept the gospel message as it is. None can resist adding their own conditions to salvation, you also do it yourself and your not even aware that your doing it.

I know of about 30 different denominations,

In all of them, they teach one of the three basic gospels I have tries to show you.

Most differ in the way they practice "church" or what they focus on doctrinally. But there are groups of them all which have the same basic gospel..

As the good Priest said, give 10 people a bible and they will come back with 10 radically different interpretations, of the gospel message. I would go further and say, give it to 45,000 people and they will come back with 45,000 different interpretations.

Your following a priest and a religion.. And you are so focused on that you can;t follow the word.

come out from her..

You need to face the reality of the situation, you know it's a shameful horrible thing that the Church is so bitterly divided. And you are part of the problem because your pushing a false gospel while calling others heretics lol.

Oh I agree.. By the way, what false Gospel am I pushing.

come on man, you have no accused me twice.. yetr you have given no factual information about your accusation. Bring it on man.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Will those who are forgiven, but who do not do the good of forgiving others, remain forgiven, or will they have that forgiveness, the righteousness of faith (Ro 4:6-8), rescinded?

who said they were ever forgive to begin with?

we should not make assumptions about scripture. that is not there..

You believe they were forgiven,, which would cause Jesus to contradict himself

I believe they were never forgiven, and in accordance with everything else Jesus said. it all agrees. there is no contradiction

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What a sloppy argument.
"There's no difference at all between what Jesus told Judas to do and what Jesus told Peter was true about God."
Maybe you need some coffee.

Hahahaha

I think he needs more than coffee.. Some humility would help and him thinking he is a solder for God is even worse..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

YOU stated that names cannot be removed from the book of life.

I gave a sufficient number of verses to show that it can.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between sinning and living a life of sin.

And how about commenting on the other verses stating plainly that a name could be blotted out?

Seems that you like the Exodus verse for one reason or another.

We have all sinned....
We all know this.
But Jesus is the solution.

So, could we get beyond this point?

Your argument is not logical.

Love it how they accuse, but when push comes to shove, they have no answer.

Psalm 69:28
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

All we needed was one passage, but I put 2 to make it clear. if he claims no one can be blotted out. then he is in error

 

[GodsGrace]

Love it how they accuse, but when push comes to shove, they have no answer.

Psalm 69:28
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, And not be written with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

All we needed was one passage, but I put 2 to make it clear. if he claims no one can be blotted out. then he is in error

Of course.
Read my next post to him but I need my computer.

Guess I'll have to explain Christianity 101.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course.
Read my next post to him but I need my computer.

Guess I'll have to explain Christianity 101.

I just read it.

I see, as usual, he did nto answer but sidestepped.. "its jesus"

Jesus is not the gospel. The gospel is of Jesus, but it goes deeper than this..

 

[GodsGrace]

So now you have moved the goal posts and added to Gods Word. First you claim that "whoever has sinned against Me I will blot out of the book of life"

Now you say "whosoever lives a life of sin, I will blot out of the book of life". See what happens when you add or remove words from God Word.

It's OK, I'm not judging you at all. If anything I would love to be corrected if I have the wrong interpretation.

Jesus is the solution for Gods Children, but He didn't come to set the Devils Children free. He only came to save those His Father gave Him (the elect)

You have the interpretations wrong, but I doubt you're willing to change your positions.

1. Re Sinning:

If you believe that Exodus 32:32 means that God will blot out all names from the Book of Life, which is your statement, then you haven't understood sinning.

Everyone has sinned, and even Christians continue to sin to some extent, but, as I stated, Jesus was the atoning sacrifice for our sins and for the sins of the whole world, forever from the beginning to the end. He paid for ALL sins, even of those in the OT.

These sins are forgiven by HAVING FAITH in the OT, in God, and in the NT, in Jesus.
Both God, of course.

If you recall John did state a provision for our sins in 1 John 1 and 2.

So really, what you state makes no sense to me.

Again:
Exodus 32:32 states that names CAN BE BLOTTED OUT from the Book of Life IF WE SIN AGAINST GOD,
and have made NO PROVISION for that sinning. If we believe in Jesus, we have made a provision.

Christianity 101.
IF we LIVE A LIFE OF SIN, we do not belong to God and we are lost.

2. The Elect:

The elect, in this case, means those that CHOOSE TO KNOW GOD AND TO OBEY HIM.

God DID NOT choose anyone either for salvation or for damnation.
This is a heretical concept put forth by Luther, Knox, Calvin, Zwigly and others AFTER the reformation.
IOW, 1,500 years after Jesus.
This was a HERETICAL belief in the early church ,,, the belief known as PREDESTINATION.

Predestination in both the OT and the NT is always for HOW or for PURPOSE.
NEVER for WHO.

God gave us free will from the time He created Adam in the Garden.
That free will has not been taken away.
Please provide scriptural proof if you believe it has.
We are free to believe in God and be saved....
or we are free to deny God and be lost.

We must believe in God:
This is up to us to do.
Hebrews 11:6
6And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Notice:
1. Faith is needed to please God.
2. We come to God. This is a choice. Choice is indicative of free will.
3. God rewards those who SEEK HIM. It is necessary to seek God. Something YOU say is impossible.

How many verses do you need to realize that your theology is incorrect?
How many conflicts do you need to realize that YOUR THEOLOGY is causing them?


@Eternally Grateful

 

[GodsGrace]

@Christian Soldier

When are you going to reply to my post no. 1276 and explain to all of us:
WHAT IS THE GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL?

 

[GodsGrace]

I just read it.

I see, as usual, he did nto answer but sidestepped.. "its jesus"

Jesus is not the gospel. The gospel is of Jesus, but it goes deeper than this..

I just posted it.
I tagged you in.
Still no reply as the the GOOD NEWS..,.
of which there is none according to the reformed.
(except for those chosen, of course).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I just posted it.
I tagged you in.
Still no reply as the the GOOD NEWS..,.
of which there is none according to the reformed.
(except for those chosen, of course).

Yep. they pumpt their chest as to how worthy they are. while then attacking others of pumping their chest..

it quite commical

 

[GracePeace]

YOU stated that names cannot be removed from the book of life.

I gave a sufficient number of verses to show that it can.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between sinning and living a life of sin.

And how about commenting on the other verses stating plainly that a name could be blotted out?

Seems that you like the Exodus verse for one reason or another.

We have all sinned....
We all know this.
But Jesus is the solution.

So, could we get beyond this point?

Your argument is not logical.

The statement "the one who has sinned against Me I will blot out of My Book" has context :

Moses asked to be blotted out in stead of blotting Israel out (God said "you didn’t do anything--it's these other people who did"). Why did God want to blot Israel out? Because of just any sin? No, this was after a notable episode, where they sinned high handedly, and God was angry at His people.

1. Being "blotted out" assumes you're in there in the first place--it always refers to His people (defined as the ones He is merciful to Hos 1), as far as I can tell.
2. Only the righteous are in there (Ps 69:28), which righteousness leads to life (Book of Life)--those who sin "with a high hand" distinguish themselves, as John says "there is a sin unto death". There is a difference between sins.

 

[GracePeace]

@Christian Soldier

When are you going to reply to my post no. 1276 and explain to all of us:
WHAT IS THE GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL?

I'm not sure why you are asking him that--he's a Monergist who respects John Calvin. That's basically where he's coming from.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The statement "the one who has sinned against Me I will blot out of My Book" has context :

Moses asked to be blotted out in stead of blotting Israel out (God said "you didn’t do anything--it's these other people who did"). Why did God want to blot Israel out? Because of just any sin? No, this was after a notable episode, where they sinned high handedly, and God was angry at His people.

1. Being "blotted out" assumes you're in there in the first place--it always refers to His people (defined as the ones He is merciful to Hos 1), as far as I can tell.
2. Only the righteous are in there (Ps 69:28), which righteousness leads to life (Book of Life)--those who sin "with a high hand" distinguish themselves, as John says "there is a sin unto death". There is a difference between sins.

God wanted to blot them out, because even after all they saw (the ten plagues, the parting of the sea, and everything else) they still did not believe.

Not so much because of their sin, But because they did nto believe.

they also did not enter the promised land, because of their unbelief

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not sure why you are asking him that--he's a Monergist who respects John Calvin. That's basically where he's coming from.

Right.
So I want to know what IS THE GOOD NEWS.

Gospel means good news.
What is it???

Is the good news for EVERYONE, or just for a select few?
If just for a select few...
WHY did Jesus have to die?
WHY was the NT written?
FOR WHAT REASON....IF God has already determined everything and everyone who is to be saved.

Still waiting for his reply...

 

[GracePeace]

Right.
So I want to know what IS THE GOOD NEWS.

Gospel means good news.
What is it???

Is the good news for EVERYONE, or just for a select few?
If just for a select few...
WHY did Jesus have to die?
WHY was the NT written?
FOR WHAT REASON....IF God has already determined everything and everyone who is to be saved.

Still waiting for his reply...

Right, I'd assume his answer would be the same we've heard a million times from Calvinists : Jesus died for the sins of His people, and if you believe, you will be saved by God, which would prove that you were foreknown and predestined by God to be saved, and God will never lose you, but keep you (because He doesn't lack power, and intends to save you), and you are secure forever.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right, I'd assume his answer would be the same we've heard a million times from Calvinists : Jesus died for the sins of His people, and if you believe, you will be saved by God, which would prove that you were foreknown and predestined by God to be saved, and God will never lose you, but keep you (because He doesn't lack power, and intends to save you), and you are secure forever.

they would not say if you believe. they would say if you were predestined, then that is why you believe