OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[GodsGrace]

I have already given you more than enough. Meanwhile, you project your own status in accusation. It would be better for you if you said nothing.

You've given nothing.
As anyone reading along can plainly see.

It's tough debating with The Christ.

Adieu

 

[ScottA]

The King of the Kingdom used the image of a branch, and the word "abide", because He wanted us to come to the conclusion I have come to.

And you are wrong.

Why do you believe a lie, and not the truth?

Jesus spoke first to those to whom He first came, which was to the house of Israel. Then added what was to come. He thus spoke both of darkness and of light. But you have mixed them. For this reason, by the spirit of Christ according to what He said was to come, Paul counseled "rightly dividing the word of truth"--which you have not done.

You are of the Church Age, which I am not. Therefore you believe the lie that was foretold, and have not considered why Paul also counseled and arranged for corrections. Many will die in that very status.

 

[ScottA]

So... no answer for Scripture. Got it.

Am I a scribe that I should meet you where you are? No, I am not, and you have not heard me.

 

[GracePeace]

And you are wrong.

Why do you believe a lie, and not the truth?

Jesus spoke first to those to whom He first came, which was to the house of Israel. Then added what was to come. He thus spoke both of darkness and of light. But you have mixed them. For this reason, by the spirit of Christ according to what He said was to come, Paul counseled "rightly dividing the word of truth"--which you have not done.

You are of the Church Age, which I am not. Therefore you believe the lie that was foretold, and have not considered why Paul also counseled and arranged for corrections. Many will die in that very status.

Lol I have nothing left to say about it--it is eminently clear that branches must abide to receive substance from the Vine, and "the life is in His Son", so we must abide. It's self explanatory. Matthew 18 unforgiving servant shows what happens to a man who doesn't abide. He loses the salvation he had.


You have no answers for these things, except to modify your gobbledygook, dress it up in what you think is impressive language, like it's wearing a suit and spectacles, and somehow we're all supposed to forget you're just speaking gobbledygook which has already been dismantled by Scripture.

 

[GracePeace]

Am I a scribe that I should meet you where you are? No, I am not, and you have not heard me.

Lol oh wow guys we got Paul the Apostle here! See the way he uses "Biblical" semi-Olde English catch phrases and wordsmithing?
Lol
Let's all forget he has nothing of substance to say about the topic, no substantive rebuttal, but focus on the floweriness of his gobbledygook!

 

[ScottA]

Just as I thought.
All opinion,
No substance.

Get personal when there's no response.

Have fun with your little kindergarten buddies.

Projection.

 

[ScottA]

Lol I have nothing left to say about it--it is eminently clear that branches must abide to receive substance from the Vine, and "the life is in His Son", so we must abide. It's self explanatory. Matthew 18 unforgiving servant shows what happens to a man who doesn't abide. He loses the salvation he had.


You have no answers for these things, except to modify your gobbledygook, dress it up in what you think is impressive language, like it's wearing a suit and spectacles, and somehow we're all supposed to forget you're just speaking gobbledygook which has already been dismantled by Scripture.

If you would have received the whole counsel, you would have anticipated these times and expected corrections. Most in Israel did not either, but rejected and crucified Him who was sent to them. And Who was to be sent during these times speaking what was not His? Did you think it was all just to be a new heart, beating the same old drum without correction?

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[ScottA]

Lol I have nothing left to say about it--it is eminently clear that branches must abide to receive substance from the Vine, and "the life is in His Son", so we must abide. It's self explanatory. Matthew 18 unforgiving servant shows what happens to a man who doesn't abide. He loses the salvation he had.


You have no answers for these things, except to modify your gobbledygook, dress it up in what you think is impressive language, like it's wearing a suit and spectacles, and somehow we're all supposed to forget you're just speaking gobbledygook which has already been dismantled by Scripture.

Mockery. A tree is known by its fruit. History repeats now among the gentiles.

 

[GracePeace]

If you would have received the whole counsel, you would have anticipated these times and expected corrections. Most in Israel did not either, but rejected and crucified Him who was sent to them. And Who was to be sent during these times speaking what was not His? Did you think it was all just to be a new heart, beating the same old drum without correction?

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Quit wasting everyone's resources on empty answers.

 

[GracePeace]

Mockery. A tree is known by its fruit. History repeats now among the gentiles.

Oh? What sort of "tree" never gives straight answers, and never admits when it is wrong?

 

[ScottA]

Thou hadst better not waste thine resources on thine eternally empty answers, as if thou couldst pull the wool over mine eyes.

Either thou hast answers to the Scriptures or thou hast not answers.

More mocking for the record. So shall it be written.

 

[ScottA]

Oh? What sort of "tree" never gives straight answers, and never admits when it is wrong?

The same as speaks in parables.

 

[GracePeace]

More mocking for the record. So shall it be written.

Just answer the objections.
No one is forcing you to be here.
Quit pretending you have an answer when you don't.

 

[GracePeace]

The same as speaks in parables.

Were you planning on discussing the parable from Mt 18 any time soon?

 

[GracePeace]

Mockery. A tree is known by its fruit. History repeats now among the gentiles.

I'm guilty because I can't be tricked? Lol

 

[Christian Soldier]

If it couldn't possibly happen, why is Jesus telling us to imagine God doing it?

Is this Jesus's pattern--teaching us things that can never happen, telling us to imagine God in ways that are not in keeping with reality (ie, lying about God), and telling His disciples to go teach that lie the whole world?

What are some of the other examples of Christ doing this?

The parable confirms that a saved/forgiven person has eternal security in the knowledge that we persevere to the end because our salvation is not dependent on our works.

The parable was not a commandment to forgive our fellow servants, because we know that we break all of Gods commandments. The commandments were not given as a condition to salvation, they were given to show us that we can't keep one single commandment. That's why Jesus had to keep them on our behalf.

Every single person has broken every single one of Gods commandments, there's no getting around that fact. And being born again, doesn't mean that we stop breaking the commandments. We still sin everyday for the rest of our lives, only a liar would deny that fact. But thank God His Son paid for every sin from our past and every sin we commit today and every sin which we will commit in the future. So Christ paid for all of the past, present and future sins of His people.

If salvation was dependent on anything we do, then nobody could be saved, because we sin everyday and it's not possible to live a sinless life, even with the help of the Holy Spirit.

 

[GracePeace]

The parable confirms that a saved/forgiven person has eternal security in the knowledge that we persevere to the end because our salvation is not dependent on our works.

The parable was not a commandment to forgive our fellow servants, because we know that we break all of Gods commandments. The commandments were not given as a condition to salvation, they were given to show us that we can't keep one single commandment. That's why Jesus had to keep them on our behalf.

Every single person has broken every single one of Gods commandments, there's no getting around that fact. And being born again, doesn't mean that we stop breaking the commandments. We still sin everyday for the rest of our lives, only a liar would deny that fact. But thank God His Son paid for every sin from our past and every sin we commit today and every sin which we will commit in the future. So Christ paid for all of the past, present and future sins of His people.

If salvation was dependent on anything we do, then nobody could be saved, because we sin everyday and it's not possible to live a sinless life, even with the help of the Holy Spirit.

So, how does the guy have salvation (forgiveness), and, afterward, not have salvation (forgiveness)?

Why are we told he loses salvation (forgiveness) on account of his own refusal to forgive? Why does this parable teach the opposite of what you're saying?

 

[Christian Soldier]

If it couldn't possibly happen, why is Jesus telling us to imagine God doing it?

Is this Jesus's pattern--teaching us things that can never happen, telling us to imagine God in ways that are not in keeping with reality (ie, lying about God), and telling His disciples to go teach that lie the whole world?

What are some of the other examples of Christ doing this?

"If" means impossible. Gods Word tells us "if it were possible, the very elect would be deceived". do you think God was saying that "if" means "it is" possible. You can't make "if" mean anything other than what it means.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lasting forever.

Sure.
As long as we ABIDE.
If we stop ABIDING, then we are no longer in the protective care of Jesus for our salvation.

Then it does not last forever.

You do not tell someone they can keep something forever, unless it is forever.

You tell them instead they can have something as long as they do this or that (meet the standard) You never call something forever that is not forever

 

[Eternally Grateful]

EG
The documents are available.

How do you know where you there?

Again, the roman church destroyed any document that did not agree with them. So I would not trust any document outside of the word of God.

Again, Look at the history of the jews and when they used extra biblical test to prove their theories.. They got it wrong.

I've read some of them....but there are too many to read.
Try it sometime --- you might get to know the truth.

I have, I have also read what the roman church did to any documents or people that they considered heresy.

the ruler makes history. If Hitler won WW2 the history books would be written to support him and america would be the great evil.

History was written by men, The word of God was written by god. Do not trust anythign else

Don't trust men?
Well, unfortunately for those that don't trust these mere men...
they're the ones that assembled the New Testament for you.

lol.

I give credit to God not men. But thank you.

Check it out:

Early Church Fathers

Early Church Fathers: information and documents concerning the early fathers of the church!

www.earlychristianwritings.com

Nahhh, I will stick with the word of God.

The jews tried to stick with histroy, and because of their history crucified Christ.

thank you but no thank you..