OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Christian Soldier]

I can see two diffrent types of Saved that people go on about.
One claimes a religious carnal saved and the other is about that once you are truly Saved, so it is then that you can not turn back to the vomit that you once, because you were Lost ! and on the wrong path ! but now that you are Saved, then you can not turn back and reject Christ Jesus in fact, bacause you know him !
He abides in you and you in him = Saved !

Once truly Saved you can not turn back !

If one thinks that they are Saved and they fall form what they think is Grace, then they were never Saved in the first place, they only had a Religion driven zeal, like the Jews or Islam peddles, Religious Mans works that's all ! for they truly only look to others, as to what they do ? for they are making their own world. they never had Grace at all, for such Grace is a gift of God given freely to one, but that one has to pick up on what it is given in fact. that's the Key !
But the one of Christ Jesus is not bothered what others trip that they are on about, because we know that they are just beating about the bush, flogging a dead horse. such does not go anywhere because it's not of Christ Jesus in fact.

So i have seen a mate and his Mob claim, that they will make me saved ? I said that i was Saved to them ! they rejected this in fact. and said repeat what we say and we will have you saved. and they were pissed off afterwards at me. for they had expected something of me ? But the fact remains is that i know what Saved truly is all about and they do not in fact !

I asked do they remember when they got Saved ? Well i do in fact, how could i forget it ! i was blowen away, i was Raptured up ? God came to me ! just as he did to Saul, in much the same way ! and i was the only one in my house at the time, just walking to my room and bingo i was taken out of this world. I came to know Christ Jesus who he truly was and i had not a shadow of doubt ! befor that i had great faith willing to die for God with such zeal and strength of conviction but i did have some doubt to be honest, and i find that if their is doubt if only 1% say, well that will be just enough for Satan to creep in to corrupt you in fact !
But i am sealed 100% in Christ Jesus in fact. i have come out from them = the carnal religious church, they are not my teacher anymore, for i do not need them to guide me, for i am Saved.

Christians are just like the Jews ? not untill one is truly Saved are you taken out ? from them, that Mob !
We seen with Jesus deciples being Jews had faith in him because they truly looked up to Holy Moses with convivtion in fact and it was only when Jesus went to Heaven that they were born again = Saved ! they were the first Christians in fact ! They became Israel because they were in fact the Servants of God !
The rest of the Jews were Lost and vomited out of the Land ! why because they were not worthy of God in fact !

Were all Jews Gods people ? No ! read the OT it's all in their in regard to why not all were worthy, but some were in fact !
Not to mention, why were some called Israel ? only two of them got that, one from an Angel that was given to Jacob and the other was Nathaniel who was given that by Jesus in fact ! and their is a very good reason as to why it was so ! it's not a birth right in fact ! and every worthy Christion should know why that fact is so ! for every worthy Christian should preach it all, for it is a Key as to getting Saved ! the lights may come on ! But most religious will not bother to go their, for they do not want you Saved in fact, because they are not Saved in fact but are of this world that is Full of Delusions and Deceptions ! I went to Church and Bible study too but the Preacher was not Saved in fact ! he was working for his Church only, look nice bloke but he was only endoctrinated ! they would say Just believe ! well i hade some faith but i needed total conviction before i can truly talk about Christ Jesus in fact, for lukewarm does not cut it ! you need total conviction to move mountains !

For if we have faith that can move mountains, who can stop us in Christ Jesus ! we will win like the Jews won back in the days ? and they only lost when they turned their backs on God in fact !

The Godless New Age is upon us nowadays, but fear not for we will over come.
Godless people are good for nothing dupes and their society will fail badly, because it's rotten to the core.

We can't judge other Christians, because we don't know if they are really converted or just fake Christians. Only they know and God knows, but nobody else can know for sure if they are genuinely saved or if they're fake.

If you don't agree with what your old Church Pastor was teaching, then you should have discussed his errors with him before leaving the Church.

I hope you're looking for another Church, because a Christian can't remain outside the body of Christ for long. Every Christian needs a Shepherd to lead them, lone Christians don't last long away from the safety of the Shepherd and flock. It doesn't take long for the hungry lion or wolf to find them and devour them, so it should be an urgent matter for you.

The Israel of God, is not a nation. The Israel of God is the body of Christ, every single elect person of God is in the body of Christ. That includes all those who were born after Adam, and all those currently living now and all those who are yet to be born.

There are no Jews or Gentiles in the body of Christ, we are all brothers and sisters regardless of race or gender. We are all saved by "GRACE" and not "RACE"....

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only.

Salvation is not an offer, it's already predetermined as the above verse confirms. Jesus never offered salvation to anyone, He always said those who believe (meaning already believing) and not an offer to believe. Likewise those who don't believe are already condemned.

The elect (saved) people, already have eternal life. We don't have to wait to inherit eternal life

 

[mailmandan]

I quoted God's Word and you claim these scriptures are lies.

It's no wonder you are blinded by false doctrine! View attachment 48398

Oh so NOW you claim one must walk in the light?

That's works based salvation man!

(using the pathetic OSAS arguments against ya there! View attachment 48399 )

All the OSAS teachers you people idolize will tell you that even if one does not walk in the light they are still saved just because they had one brief moment of faith

That's the false claim going around... if one believes on the Lord for like 5 seconds and then goes back to living like the devil then they are still saved.

Enough with the straw man arguments and slander. It's not about must walk in the light but will walk in the light if we truly are born of God. Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light. Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light. Children of God walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other. There is no third camp of Christians who walk in darkness and lose their salvation as "type 2 works salvationists" teach.

In 1 John 1:6, we read - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is 'descriptive' of children of the devil. Walking in the light is 'descriptive' of children of God.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. Verse 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother. *Notice that "walks in darkness" and "hates his brother" is in connection with "children of the devil."

*Notice how I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

 

[Ritajanice]

In other words the OSAS peoples be... cherry pickers!

How can we be cherry pickers of scripture if we have been Born Of The Spirit ?

You don’t need to read any scripture to become Born Again by the Holy Spirit?

That happens by divine revelation?

Do you actually understand that?

I know in my heart/ spirit that I am Born Again?

And saved from eternal damnation ?

Our spirit is in the Spirit of Christ?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

Where does that seed that we have been Born Again of liveth and abideth forever?

Reading a Bible does not make your spirit Born Again, I think you even said on a post that “ we get” the Holy Spirit?

That’s not biblical?

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God?

So, what has to be Born Again?

Romans 6:14-23​

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14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

Enough with the straw man arguments and slander. It's not about must walk in the light but will walk in the light if we truly are born of God. Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light. Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light. Children of God walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other. There is no third camp of Christians who walk in darkness and lose their salvation as "type 2 works salvationists" teach.

In 1 John 1:6, we read - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is 'descriptive' of children of the devil. Walking in the light is 'descriptive' of children of God.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. Verse 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother. *Notice that "walks in darkness" and "hates his brother" is in connection with "children of the devil."

*Notice how I properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

From what I understand many experienced becoming Born Again very differently.

Yet, there is only one way to become Born Again and that is by divine revelation?

We can all post reams and reams of scripture, but, that doesn’t mean our spirit has been Born Again does it?

Everyone of us are coming from a different understanding of what it means to be Born Again do you think?

 

[Ritajanice]

You've done so repeatedly yourself already.
You don't know the meaning of abide. And you think you can choose to evict the Holy Spirit at any time.

This is exactly what I don’t understand about some of these posters.

Do they actually understand what it means to be Born Again by the Living Witness Gods Living Holy Spirit?

Do they actually understand that once we are Born Again in our spirit, that we can NEVER be un- birthed by the Spirit Of God?

Many are reading imo the Bible from their own understanding and not from the Holy Spirit who brings Gods written word to to our understanding....as we are spirit children, and communicate with God via His Spirit...who happens to be Alive in our spirit, as we are Born Again.

Our spirit is Alive in Christ’s Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I quoted God's Word and you claim these scriptures are lies.

It's no wonder you are blinded by false doctrine! View attachment 48398

This just shows your dishonesty. I asked how long you would continue to bear false witness because yuo said we teach something, Now you twist it and say you just quoted Gods word.

This is leaning towards you being a troll

now I will give you another chance, How long will you continue to bear false witness. these are your words..

Dan Clarkston said:
The problem with you OSAS peoples is you claim those that acknowledge belief in the Lord but continue living in sin will still be saved....

Oh so NOW you claim one must walk in the light?

No, I claim we WILL..

Learn the difference between the word will and must

That's works based salvation man!

Nope. thats what you teach, because you think God will fail. so YOU must do your own work

(using the pathetic OSAS arguments against ya there! View attachment 48399 )

All the OSAS teachers you people idolize will tell you that even if one does not walk in the light they are still saved just because they had one brief moment of faith

That would be imnpossible.. that would not be faith at all. Even demons believe,, True faith saved, and true faith works,

But you do not believe this, so...

That's the false claim going around... if one believes on the Lord for like 5 seconds and then goes back to living like the devil then they are still saved.

Nope. The false claim is you bearing false witness that we believe this..

Now are you going to show some humility. or keep bearing false witness proving your just a troll

 

[BlessedPeace]

This is exactly what I don’t understand about some of these posters.

Do they actually understand what it means to be Born Again by the Living Witness Gods Living Holy Spirit?

Do they actually understand that once we are Born Again in our spirit, that we can NEVER be un- birthed by the Spirit Of God?

Many are reading imo the Bible from their own understanding and not from the Holy Spirit who brings Gods written word to to our understanding....as we are spirit children, and communicate with God via His Spirit...who happens to be Alive in our spirit, as we are Born Again.

Our spirit is Alive in Christ’s Spirit.

Amen!

What many here are advocating is human will is superior. That's actually what Neo-Satanists avow . That human ego and pride uphold the temple of the will.

 

[Ritajanice]

What many here are advocating is human will is superior

Amen!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen!

What many here are advocating is human will is superior. That's actually what Neo-Satanists avow . That human ego and pride uphold the temple of the will.

who is advocating that human will is superior?

I have not heard one person make this claim.

I have heard many say they must work to earn salvation. But no one has said they have willed themselves to salvation.

 

[BlessedPeace]

who is advocating that human will is superior?

I have not heard one person make this claim.

I have heard many say they must work to earn salvation. But no one has said they have willed themselves to salvation.

Then you haven't paid attention.

Those who insist they can choose Salvation and equally choose to lose it or give it back. Those who foolishly, while wilfully ignoring scripture that educates to the contrary of the assertion one must labor,work,to remain in God's grace.

All that and more are arguments that insist human will is a catalyst of Salvation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then you haven't paid attention.

Oh I have paid attention. I just have a bunch of fat lists who not understand when someone comes to trust completely in Christ and recieved his gift it is not them willing themselves to heaven. It is them calling out for God hoping in faith he will answer

Those who insist they can choose Salvation and equally choose to lose it or give it back.

Well we must chose to trust Christ or we will die in I believe. But we can not give back salvation I agree with this

Those who foolishly, while wilfully ignoring scripture that educates to the contrary of the assertion one must labor,work,to remain in God's grace.

Yes they are in error but I am not talking about them

All that and more are arguments that insist human will is a catalyst of Salvation.

Well Jesus said it is. Do we trust Jesus or because we do not like those who say we can give salvation back reject free will altogether.

That’s the issue with the Calvin Armenian argument they are fighting each other and in turn bot fight the word

 

[face2face]

@mailmandan out of interest, would you have a section of Scripture which concerns you regarding OSAS. I noticed you stayed away from the seven churches? I think I understand your position well enough to know that within a community of believers not all will be saved, as indicated by the Lord in Revelation 2-3. There’s enough warning passages there to show all that the grace given is precious and not to be treated lightly. I've seen you explain away "warning passages" (all of them) only to pick the bits you want - does it help you to ignore those passages and focus in on the positive messages only?

Revelation 2-3 has the same language as 1 Corinthians 10 - 10:5 But God was not pleased with most of them, for they were cut down in the wilderness. 1 Co 10:5.

I'm more interested in how you percieve the dangers of your Doctrine given the reality that many will fail their faith, be deceived etc.



I guess the approach you usually take is more difficult here as these are all active chuches with members participating in them.

F2F

 

[face2face]

@mailmandan

I'm also interested in how a modern-day Sardis would teach OSAS?

Christ said "I know your works" to appear alive, but dead — You have the name of being alive, but you are dead!

There is something outwardly concerning about this church. They had a high reputation among people, but not in the sight of God. It is significant that in this message the Lord does not specify any prevailing form of error or false doctrine, and it is probable that the chruch was too apathetic to care. The church seemed large and lively to others, yet that was but a facade that hid a corpse. It was dead spiritually.

Do you think the teaching of OSAS would be helpful for this church? If you don't, do you think the warnings given carried weight?

I think you would agree the encouragement and warnings which followed are not in keeping with your OSAS teaching. I find it difficult for you to not see these insights by the Lord as anything but probationary.

F2F

 

[face2face]

All others:

If you found out you were dead in the Lord's eyes, either because you held false doctrine, or lived a faithless life? What would be your response? What would you do? How would your life change?

F2F

 

[face2face]

The elephant in the forum is clearly seen in the development of false teachings in the church which has persisted for 2000 years. It means the Christian today can be 100% confident that many of the beliefs they hold are false. Even a light reading of Revelation 2-3 would reveal this truth.

If you were divinely revealed your understanding of the Gospel was in error what would you do? Saul went into Arabia for 3 years to learn that True Gospel.

What would you be willing to do?

F2F

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We can't judge other Christians, because we don't know if they are really converted or just fake Christians. Only they know and God knows, but nobody else can know for sure if they are genuinely saved or if they're fake.

If you don't agree with what your old Church Pastor was teaching, then you should have discussed his errors with him before leaving the Church.

I hope you're looking for another Church, because a Christian can't remain outside the body of Christ for long. Every Christian needs a Shepherd to lead them, lone Christians don't last long away from the safety of the Shepherd and flock. It doesn't take long for the hungry lion or wolf to find them and devour them, so it should be an urgent matter for you.

The Israel of God, is not a nation. The Israel of God is the body of Christ, every single elect person of God is in the body of Christ. That includes all those who were born after Adam, and all those currently living now and all those who are yet to be born.

There are no Jews or Gentiles in the body of Christ, we are all brothers and sisters regardless of race or gender. We are all saved by "GRACE" and not "RACE"....

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only.

Salvation is not an offer, it's already predetermined as the above verse confirms. Jesus never offered salvation to anyone, He always said those who believe (meaning already believing) and not an offer to believe. Likewise those who don't believe are already condemned.

The elect (saved) people, already have eternal life. We don't have to wait to inherit eternal life

1/ sadly some do think that they are saved. but i can know that they are not.

2/ I did agree with that Pastor, not to mention that i always grew up to totaly hate the RCC ! but he did not know what i asked of him, for he just peddled rote and dribble, it was he that did not want to go into depth, i said i can see this and that within the Bible but i did not truly understand such and was asking for his help on such things but he wanted only to stop any regard i had to grow to understand such depth. that denomination is only like a primary schooling.

I asked points in depth regarding the RCC doctren, for i had been given such, but he was happy to lie ! i wanted him only to prove what he was saying. i was only say 15 to 16yo say and one can not say this is the RCC Doctrine ? when i have the RCC Doctrines that prove another Church lies in this point in fact, but then again i found out that this Church does say the truth, regarding that many within the RCC is as just as this Denomination do say in fact !
So i found that Priest within the RCC were not on the same page at all with RCC Doctrine. and most people who claim to be RC are idiots and not to mention so it is within every Church in fact. Sadly most are lukewarm and that is why they have little regard for Christ Jesus in fact, for they are on a religious mans works Anti-Christ path in fact, and i can see that their works are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact. for such is clearly of mans works in fact.
If one is lukewarm one is not truly born again in fact !

3/ when one is truly Saved you are the body of Christ Jesus, you are the Church ! and that's who i look for, people who are Saved to work with because they are a plesure to be with. but they do not have to be Saved they who are truly seeking are fine to be with. some seek but they are wraped up in a madness religion and rantings, such that come from the ego driven mans works nonsense.
I have found many a Shepherd was a Wolf ! look at all of the child molesters etc etc ! and do they make the people grow in Christ Jesus ? No ! they creat only spineless mush and the Church only looses people or gaines more usless idiots who peddle other issues in fact rather than the Key issue !

4/ you are correct in part, in regards the OT they could be true in regard God, but come Christ Jesus that's the NT. I would not say regards the elect ? sure ! but that point can be nonsense, as one has to strive to enter ! it is not given like a bearth right ! all have been given such a right but that does not say that they will pick it up ?

5/ Grace is what is given from God peroid ! the race card is nonsense. true tho that the Tribe was chosen to lead the way ! in the OT. BUut in the NT it's the door is open for all ! why is that ? well that seed DNA is within all races now, you can not pin point such a Tribe now ? but the Tribe of God was just only one of many Semitic Tribes in fact ! back in the days ?

6/ the rest you put forward is in regard Salvation ! one only needs that spark ? for if you did pick up and had faith in the Bible points out that will stay with you ? but Bible says about the Seed that is sown is as it is ? and then when such takes root, then what can happen ? well it it take good root ? well then even the weeds can grow up and strangle that Tree ? this is a fact ! but the Bible points out that, Oh you of little faith ? See that ! little faith does not cut the task in fact for such is lukewarm ! remember the weeds are this world that is full of deceptions and delusions, this is the fact ! but what is needed is the Faith that can move mountains ! Amen ! then you are on the path of God in Christ Jesus and it is this that can not be strangled by the weeds of this world, that's a fact ! you talked about the Shepherd ? the weeds can not stifle the Shepherd !

When Jesus talked to the Devil himself ? the weeds of the Devil had no grasp on him at all ? for Jesus knew what he was dealing with and did not let such take root in him at all and see Jesus pointed to points regarding the Bible, for the Devil was exposed as just a tich ! what could the Devil do in reply ? Nothing ! his power is only in tempting, period ! that's all that he is !

So we must not be lead into temptation ! you have to be strengthened in Christ Jesus, for as he says, if you abide in the vine, such will bear fruit in him. For outside of him do not bear fruit and will be cut off !

So fact is such a one abiding in christ Jesus, has life in abundance now in fact and forever in fact. one must be truly born again ! then one can truly grow in Christ Jesus in fact.
A Church denomination can not save your Soul ! only Christ Jesus can do that in fact !
If a Church denomination prides of it's self, that's a joke ! for all of the Glory goes to Christ Jesus in fact, everything ! it's not of ourselves.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Oh I have paid attention. I just have a bunch of fat lists who not understand when someone comes to trust completely in Christ and recieved his gift it is not them willing themselves to heaven. It is them calling out for God hoping in faith he will answer

Holy Spirit must enter in before this happens. The things of God are foolishness to everyone. Unless or until the Holy Spirit enters in and leads them to understand the things of God.

Well we must chose to trust Christ or we will die in I believe. But we can not give back salvation I agree with this.

Holy Spirit lends that ability to trust. We in and of ourselves do not choose to trust.

True. We cannot return to God his free irrevocable Salvation gift

Yes they are in error but I am not talking about them

They are always part of this type conversation.

Well Jesus said it is. Do we trust Jesus or because we do not like those who say we can give salvation back reject free will altogether.

Really? Please post the scripture where Jesus, Yeshua, said our will is a catalyst in our Salvation.

That’s the issue with the Calvin Armenian argument they are fighting each other and in turn bot fight the word

In truth most here who posit as enemies of Calvinism don't know what they're talking about.

Supposed proponents of Armenians are like unto those anti-Calvinist bunch.
It gets old because it's the same ones who stoke Animus. And they're obviously Trolling because after months,even years, of that nonsense they prove they don't care to learn anything.
They just regurgitate the same ridiculous vitriol against what is their true target that they cloak in the accusation of "Calvinism". And that is the Gospel itself.

Their point is to disrespect Jesus,Yeshua and The Gospel.
The lie they use to cloak that is in claiming to object to Calvinist Tenets.
Because if cowardly Trolls dared say outright, the gospel is buxxxxxx! They'd be banned immediately.

Instead they insist The actual Gospel as taught by many here is Calvinism. And they,as we read repeatedly, insist we "Calvinists" are blind to the falsehood we defend.

It keeps them aboard because that's their sneaky way of saying The actual Gospel is false.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1/ sadly some do think that they are saved. but i can know that they are not.

2/ I did agree with that Pastor, not to mention that i always grew up to totaly hate the RCC ! but he did not know what i asked of him, for he just peddled rote and dribble, it was he that did not want to go into depth, i said i can see this and that within the Bible but i did not truly understand such and was asking for his help on such things but he wanted only to stop any regard i had to grow to understand such depth. that denomination is only like a primary schooling.

I asked points in depth regarding the RCC doctren, for i had been given such, but he was happy to lie ! i wanted him only to prove what he was saying. i was only say 15 to 16yo say and one can not say this is the RCC Doctrine ? when i have the RCC Doctrines that prove another Church lies in this point in fact, but then again i found out that this Church does say the truth, regarding that many within the RCC is as just as this Denomination do say in fact !
So i found that Priest within the RCC were not on the same page at all with RCC Doctrine. and most people who claim to be RC are idiots and not to mention so it is within every Church in fact. Sadly most are lukewarm and that is why they have little regard for Christ Jesus in fact, for they are on a religious mans works Anti-Christ path in fact, and i can see that their works are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact. for such is clearly of mans works in fact.
If one is lukewarm one is not truly born again in fact !

3/ when one is truly Saved you are the body of Christ Jesus, you are the Church ! and that's who i look for, people who are Saved to work with because they are a plesure to be with. but they do not have to be Saved they who are truly seeking are fine to be with. some seek but they are wraped up in a madness religion and rantings, such that come from the ego driven mans works nonsense.
I have found many a Shepherd was a Wolf ! look at all of the child molesters etc etc ! and do they make the people grow in Christ Jesus ? No ! they creat only spineless mush and the Church only looses people or gaines more usless idiots who peddle other issues in fact rather than the Key issue !

4/ you are correct in part, in regards the OT they could be true in regard God, but come Christ Jesus that's the NT. I would not say regards the elect ? sure ! but that point can be nonsense, as one has to strive to enter ! it is not given like a bearth right ! all have been given such a right but that does not say that they will pick it up ?

5/ Grace is what is given from God peroid ! the race card is nonsense. true tho that the Tribe was chosen to lead the way ! in the OT. BUut in the NT it's the door is open for all ! why is that ? well that seed DNA is within all races now, you can not pin point such a Tribe now ? but the Tribe of God was just only one of many Semitic Tribes in fact ! back in the days ?

6/ the rest you put forward is in regard Salvation ! one only needs that spark ? for if you did pick up and had faith in the Bible points out that will stay with you ? but Bible says about the Seed that is sown is as it is ? and then when such takes root, then what can happen ? well it it take good root ? well then even the weeds can grow up and strangle that Tree ? this is a fact ! but the Bible points out that, Oh you of little faith ? See that ! little faith does not cut the task in fact for such is lukewarm ! remember the weeds are this world that is full of deceptions and delusions, this is the fact ! but what is needed is the Faith that can move mountains ! Amen ! then you are on the path of God in Christ Jesus and it is this that can not be strangled by the weeds of this world, that's a fact ! you talked about the Shepherd ? the weeds can not stifle the Shepherd !

When Jesus talked to the Devil himself ? the weeds of the Devil had no grasp on him at all ? for Jesus knew what he was dealing with and did not let such take root in him at all and see Jesus pointed to points regarding the Bible, for the Devil was exposed as just a tich ! what could the Devil do in reply ? Nothing ! his power is only in tempting, period ! that's all that he is !

So we must not be lead into temptation ! you have to be strengthened in Christ Jesus, for as he says, if you abide in the vine, such will bear fruit in him. For outside of him do not bear fruit and will be cut off !

So fact is such a one abiding in christ Jesus, has life in abundance now in fact and forever in fact. one must be truly born again ! then one can truly grow in Christ Jesus in fact.
A Church denomination can not save your Soul ! only Christ Jesus can do that in fact !
If a Church denomination prides of it's self, that's a joke ! for all of the Glory goes to Christ Jesus in fact, everything ! it's not of ourselves.

1. We can't know who God chose to save, before He created the world. Everybody thought the thief on the cross was going to hell, but he became a born again Christian in the last moments of his life. He didn't get the chance to study the bible or be baptized. So yes, only God knows who His elect are.
We can only know if someone is lost if they're on their death bed and their last words are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

2. We all have to pray that God leads us to find a Church, where the Word of God is faithfully proclaimed. Sadly there are not many Christ centered Churches around, but they are out there and God does lead His children to them. No Church is perfect, because it's made up of imperfect members, so we need to be careful not to be judgmental.

3. We can't expect to only have fellowship with Elders and Deacons and new people who look clean on the outside. We know that Jesus saved prostitutes, thieves and all kinds of sinners.
New converts are hard to get along with because they still have their bad habits, some are still drinking alcohol or abusing drugs. Some still fornicate, some still steal. But the point is, they have just begun a journey of change, where God is working to cleanse them.
The work of sanctification continues for the rest of our lives, we never cease to sin in this life. So we need to forgive others, just as God has forgiven us, because everybody is being sanctified and cleansed and everybody is at different stages of maturity.

4. "Strive to enter" is not given as a commandment to humanity. It is given as advice to Gods Children, so we don't rest on our loreals. Every single one of Gods Children were saved before the world was created, but God still wants us to obey the gospel. We are not robots, so we still need to walk the walk.

5. Your spot on, all saved people are saved by the grace of God. So nobody should add any other conditions to salvation.

6. The parable of the different soils, is speaking about the different kinds of people. The seed is always the same but the soils (people) are all different, so each one has a different effect on the seed.
This proves that people are saved before they receive the seed, because everyone will receive the seed (gospel). The seed is the gospel, but those who God did not elect to save before He created the world cannot receive the seed (gospel) because it is foolishness to them.
The elect of God are the good soil, the rest are of the world. I know most Christians rejects what God said about the doctrine of election and predestination. We all start out, having trouble embracing that bible doctrine, but when we realize that God is sovereign over all things, including salvation. Then it becomes clear to us and we have no argument against it.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Holy Spirit must enter in before this happens. The things of God are foolishness to everyone. Unless or until the Holy Spirit enters in and leads them to understand the things of God.

Holy Spirit lends that ability to trust. We in and of ourselves do not choose to trust.

True. We cannot return to God his free irrevocable Salvation gift



They are always part of this type conversation.

Really? Please post the scripture where Jesus, Yeshua, said our will is a catalyst in our Salvation.


In truth most here who posit as enemies of Calvinism don't know what they're talking about.

Supposed proponents of Armenians are like unto those anti-Calvinist bunch.
It gets old because it's the same ones who stoke Animus. And they're obviously Trolling because after months,even years, of that nonsense they prove they don't care to learn anything.
They just regurgitate the same ridiculous vitriol against what is their true target that they cloak in the accusation of "Calvinism". And that is the Gospel itself.

Their point is to disrespect Jesus,Yeshua and The Gospel.
The lie they use to cloak that is in claiming to object to Calvinist Tenets.
Because if cowardly Trolls dared say outright, the gospel is buxxxxxx! They'd be banned immediately.

Instead they insist The actual Gospel as taught by many here is Calvinism. And they,as we read repeatedly, insist we "Calvinists" are blind to the falsehood we defend.

It keeps them aboard because that's their sneaky way of saying The actual Gospel is false.

I really appreciate the way you responded to the mockers with the truth of the gospel. You didn't resort to slander and you didn't express any private views or opinions.

The truth doesn't need to be forced on anybody, if one loves the truth he will embrace it, if he hates it he will reject it and mock it.

 

[Ritajanice]

I think we are all guilty of forcing what we believe to be God’s truth onto others at times...

God certainly wouldn’t do that, imo anyway.

He knows how to get his word across and it’s NEVER by force....only “ self” does that..again imo.

Self is just “ self absorbed “ ..