OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Eternally Grateful]

He actually argued this :
1. Those who are born of God do not sin.

Wrong,

another false accusation. I said they do not LIVE IN SIN.

Dude, you shoudl be ashamed of yourself.. when you can;t win, you just bear false witness against your accuser then yu ignore them.

Like someone said, you are on shaken ground. Your actions condemn you

2. Romans 7 accurately depicts a Christian's life.

The guy is wholly incapable of conversing about the Bible in a coherent way.

Yes it does AMEN/ But you can’t see that I understand that, because you see only what you want to see.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Think of it : on one hand, Christians don't sin, and, on the other hand, Romans 7, where a guy gets whipped by sin, is about how Christians live.

The guy is not thinking about what he's saying before he's saying it.

I NEVER SAID CHRISTIANS DO NOT SIN.

My God i was just arguing with another member who claimed he was sinless. And told him he was decieved, RITA says she is sinless. And I tell her John says she is decieved.

You are a pill i tell you.. I do not have to appose you. You hurt yourself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm getting a message : go away, you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation, just running to mods when the truth hurts your feelings.

lol. Whatever man, what a Joke.. I can leave now. You have destroyed your own thread. You people who think yu can save yourself can have a big party

 

[ScottA]

I'm getting a message : go away, you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation, just running to mods when the truth hurts your feelings.

More fruit evidence.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

More fruit evidence.

Or lack of fruit

 

[face2face]

The same could be said of you.

To provide the warnings? Sure!

If you "assume" salvation, are the warnings meaningless?

Let's talk about this section, shall we?

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin, starting with the house of God. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God?

What is their fate Rita?

Do you think it is easy to be saved?

As you can see I'm trying to temper your arrogance with a certain reality, one you consistently resist.

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

To provide the warnings? Sure!

If you "assume" salvation, are the warnings meaningless?

Let's talk about this section, shall we?

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin, starting with the house of God. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God?

What is their fate Rita?

Do you think it is easy to be saved?

As you can see I'm trying to temper your arrogance with a certain reality, one you consistently resist.

F2F

So the arrogant one is going to try to temper an arrogant one.

Give me the popcorn, this aught to be good

 

[face2face]

So the arrogant one is going to try to temper an arrogant one.

Give me the popcorn, this aught to be good

Not I, but the Word - watch!

Surely you don't suffer from ignorance as well?

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

To provide the warnings? Sure!

If you "assume" salvation, are the warnings meaningless?

Let's talk about this section, shall we?

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin, starting with the house of God. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God?

Do you understand that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ?

Do you understand that being Born Of God’s seed is by divine revelation?

A Living spirit birth?..

Do you understand that Gods Witness, is Alive And Active And is everywhere?

A Born Again would NEVER knowingly disobey God?....

How do you grow and mature in Jesus?

We need to be Born Of His Spirit before anyone can start to grow and mature in Christ.....you have much to learn in your spirit my friend.....we can’t read ourselves into God’s Kingdom, we must be Born Again by His Spirit.

What is their fate Rita?

Do you think it is easy to be saved?

You aren’t saved my friend, not until your spirit has been Born Of God’s seed?...you can’t put the cart before the horse as you keep doing....you need to understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed?
We are Born Of Imperishable seed, which means what?

We are Born Again then saved from eternal damnation....you aren’t saved not until our spirit is Born Again...then we are spirit children of God?

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

As you can see I'm trying to temper your arrogance with a certain reality, one you consistently resist.

F2F

Once again you have dodged my question.

What is Born Again in us?

What is permanently Alive in us?

If you can’t answer what the question means further up that I asked you, then there can be no further discussion with you, as you seem to have no spiritual understanding of spiritual matters?

You seem to only be able to speak from your “ own” intellect....which is pretty boring to be honest.

Once Born Again by Gods Spirit, always Born Again....Spirit gives birth to spirit.....a one time event that only the witness Gods Spirit can do.

Born Again and permanently saved from eternal damnation!..

You put the cart before the horse....if one is saved, then one must be Born Again.

In its proper context....Born Again saved from eternal damnation......a spirit child of the most high!

 

[BlessedPeace]

You all to whom this applies are an example of the accuracy of Salvation.

For millennia people have lived their lives trusting Yeshua was a man of His Word.

And yet some insist on things they claim he never said.

Yeshua taught eternal life,eternal Salvation, that is not of ourselves but is a free,because Yeshua paid its price, irrevocable gift of God.

God calls whom He will into His grace. And of all whom He chose to receive it, he shall lose none. Because all whom the Father gave Yeshua no one will snatch them from His hand.

The Scriptures that refer or identify those who fell from grace are representative of those of the many who felt called to Yeshua.

They are not those few who were chosen.That is the difference. Eternal life is eternal Salvation. Eternal.

Because God set His seal upon those He elected to receive His free irrevocable gift.

Those who are in that number do not make a habit of sinning. If they do they never knew Yeshua or Salvation.

The indwellt Christian,that one who is the temple of the Holy Spirit, was redeemed from their sins so to be washed clean,reborn, to live the doctrine of Holiness.

They cannot sin. Because that which can sin was made dead and buried to its old self. So to then resurrect,rise, as a new creation. The old has gone. Behold,the new has come.

God says we are irrevocably Saved. Not of our own doing but because God bestowed His grace upon us.

Those who insist their natural mind let them choose Yeshua and as such they can choose to leave him are correct. As they insist,repeatedly.

Because they example in their arguments against eternal irrevocable Salvation what it means to argue from the natural mind standpoint. Because the things of God,eternal irrevocable gift of Salvation, is foolishness to them.

 

[face2face]

Do you understand that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ?

Do you understand you totally disregarded my post?

Have another go!

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

The life is in His Son (1 Jn 5:11), and we are commanded "remain in Him" (1 Jn 2:28)--some don't, so they're cut off and thrown in the fire (Jn 15)..

Of all whom the Father gives Him, He shall lose none.

 

[Fred J]

According to this documentary, OSAS originated with the Gnostics, was constantly being refuted by the early church, and was unknown in the Church until the 5th century when Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, a former Gnostic, brought it into the church.

00:01:36 "Believers in OSAS invariably take the high ground historically as though they're defending the historic faith. This is incredibly dishonest. That's because before Augustine's novel teachings in the early 5th century, absolutely no one in the early church believed in once saved always saved. I know of no patristic scholar or church historian who disputes that fact."

00:03:22 "The early church fathers actually warned against the idea of OSAS because that doctrine was not found within any Christian churches at the time; it was found among the Gnostics. ... in their refutations of the Gnostics, they would mention how these Gnostics believed that you could never fall away from the faith..."

In the Old Testament with the same GOD, when HE brought out the Jews from bondage in egypt. They were also once saved and always saved, provided they keep and obey HIS commandments, statutes, instructions and rules. Each time Israel violate GOD's Old Covenant, the Law and the Prophets given and made with them, they were no longer safe from the wrath of GOD and enemies.

Has the same GOD changed in the New Testament, the New Covenant, the Law of Christ and the Apostles given and made with the Jews and Gentiles? No, again indeed once saved always saved, provided they keep and obey Christ's law and the Apostles given and made with them

Each time the church violate HIS New Covenant, they are no longer safe from the wrath of GOD and eternal punishment. For they are counted unto workers of 'iniquities' or 'lawlessness', and they are to depart from the presence of the Lord on that day. Meantime, they are able to confess their sins and sin no more, or some thing worse shall happen to them.

 

[ScottA]

Do you understand that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ?

Do you understand that being Born Of God’s seed is by divine revelation?

A Living spirit birth?..

Do you understand that Gods Witness, is Alive And Active And is everywhere?

A Born Again would NEVER knowingly disobey God?....

How do you grow and mature in Jesus?

We need to be Born Of His Spirit before anyone can start to grow and mature in Christ.....you have much to learn in your spirit my friend.....we can’t read ourselves into God’s Kingdom, we must be Born Again by His Spirit.



You aren’t saved my friend, not until your spirit has been Born Of God’s seed?...you can’t put the cart before the horse as you keep doing....you need to understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed?
We are Born Of Imperishable seed, which means what?

We are Born Again then saved from eternal damnation....you aren’t saved not until our spirit is Born Again...then we are spirit children of God?

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◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

​

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Once again you have dodged my question.

What is Born Again in us?

What is permanently Alive in us?

If you can’t answer what the question means further up that I asked you, then there can be no further discussion with you, as you seem to have no spiritual understanding of spiritual matters?

You seem to only be able to speak from your “ own” intellect....which is pretty boring to be honest.

Once Born Again by Gods Spirit, always Born Again....Spirit gives birth to spirit.....a one time event that only the witness Gods Spirit can do.

Born Again and permanently saved from eternal damnation!..

You put the cart before the horse....if one is saved, then one must be Born Again.

In its proper context....Born Again saved from eternal damnation......a spirit child of the most high!

1 John 3:9​

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.​

Unfortunately, many do not reconcile all that is written, for which Jesus said, "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 24:51).

 

[Ritajanice]

So the arrogant one is going to try to temper an arrogant one.

Give me the popcorn, this aught to be good

And this poster....has no knowledge of trying to inflame/ antagonise other posters.......his post says it all.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And this poster....has no knowledge of trying to inflame/ antagonise other posters.......his post says it all.

I still have my popcorn. waiting for the sparks to fly

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of all whom the Father gives Him, He shall lose none.

Amen

OSAS 101

 

[ScottA]

Do you understand that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ?

Do you understand that being Born Of God’s seed is by divine revelation?

A Living spirit birth?..

Do you understand that Gods Witness, is Alive And Active And is everywhere?

A Born Again would NEVER knowingly disobey God?....

How do you grow and mature in Jesus?

We need to be Born Of His Spirit before anyone can start to grow and mature in Christ.....you have much to learn in your spirit my friend.....we can’t read ourselves into God’s Kingdom, we must be Born Again by His Spirit.



You aren’t saved my friend, not until your spirit has been Born Of God’s seed?...you can’t put the cart before the horse as you keep doing....you need to understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed?
We are Born Of Imperishable seed, which means what?

We are Born Again then saved from eternal damnation....you aren’t saved not until our spirit is Born Again...then we are spirit children of God?

​

◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

​

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Once again you have dodged my question.

What is Born Again in us?

What is permanently Alive in us?

If you can’t answer what the question means further up that I asked you, then there can be no further discussion with you, as you seem to have no spiritual understanding of spiritual matters?

You seem to only be able to speak from your “ own” intellect....which is pretty boring to be honest.

Once Born Again by Gods Spirit, always Born Again....Spirit gives birth to spirit.....a one time event that only the witness Gods Spirit can do.

Born Again and permanently saved from eternal damnation!..

You put the cart before the horse....if one is saved, then one must be Born Again.

In its proper context....Born Again saved from eternal damnation......a spirit child of the most high!

The apostle John heard and was about to write what would come to occur in these last days, but was then told not to write, but to seal up the information. (Revelation 10). Then he was given a preview of what can rightfully be considered a postscript "little book", which was at first "sweet", but then made him sick to his stomach. This is that time.

 

[Ritajanice]

The apostle John heard and was about to write what would come to occur in these last days, but was then told not to write, but to seal up the information. (Revelation 10). Then he was given a preview of what can rightfully be considered a postscript "little book", which was at first "sweet", but then made him sick to his stomach. This is that time.

Have no idea what you are saying here.

 

[ScottA]

Have no idea what you are saying here.

I was giving you some insight to the problems we are confronting here. Read Revelation Chapter 10.