OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Eternally Grateful]

This is a great documentary.

To bad it is not true.

OSAS is not a gnostic term, it is not even a calvinist term.

it is called the security of being in Christ. or the fact that one who has been saved will never die and has eternal life

I shudder at all the people who claim that God said we will never die Does not really mean we will never die..

I just pray you do not make promises to your loved one like you claim God makes promises to his loved ones

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why did Jesus pray for Peter? Luke 22:31-32

Who did fail their faith?

I can go on if you like?

You can try’

Peter did not risk losing eternal life. It was not based on him, its based on God.

But hey, if you want to think you’re more special than the pharisees and all the religious people who ever lived. Well good luck to you

 

[face2face]

You can try’

Peter did not risk losing eternal life. It was not based on him, its based on God.

But hey, if you want to think you’re more special than the pharisees and all the religious people who ever lived. Well good luck to you

You didn't answer the questions? To avoid straight off the bat is significant tell on your part!

Your inference is Jesus's prayers were meaningless - okay

And what of the one who failed his faith? Like to comment or more avoidance?

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You didn't answer the questions? To avoid straight off the bat is significant tell on your part!

Your inference is Jesus's prayers were meaningless - okay

And what of the one who failed his faith? Like to comment or more avoidance?

F2F

Who failed his faith?

You think you got me by some trickery or something?

Jesus said, whoever believes will NEVER DIE, and they HAVE (present tense) ETERNAL LIFE

Eternal life is not just some religious word you can toss and give it whatever meaning you want. it literally means they will LIVE FOREVER.

Thats OSAS.

when will you stop trusting self and start to trust God? Why do YOU lack faith in God?

Paul said he was confident that he who BEGAN a good work ( at the point of salvation) in you WILL COMPLETE it till the day of Christ (the day your ressurected.

Paul said we have the seal of the spirit until the day of redemption (ressurection day)

what is it that gets you to totally fail to trust God?

 

[face2face]

Who failed his faith?

You don't know?

You think you got me by some trickery or something?

No, you seem to be doing a good job of this yourself.

Jesus said, whoever believes will NEVER DIE, and they HAVE (present tense) ETERNAL LIFE

True.

Eternal life is not just some religious word you can toss and give it whatever meaning you want. it literally means they will LIVE FOREVER.

True for those whose faith fail's not.

Thats OSAS.

A person isn't saved until they are saved.

when will you stop trusting self and start to trust God? Why do YOU lack faith in God?

This is the type of arrogance which leads you into a hole which you appear to be digging for yourself.

Paul said he was confident that he who BEGAN a good work ( at the point of salvation) in you WILL COMPLETE it till the day of Christ (the day your ressurected.

Some to honor and some to dishonor!

Paul said we have the seal of the spirit until the day of redemption (ressurection day)

what is it that gets you to totally fail to trust God?

See how unbalanced your set of beliefs are compared to the Word of God?

I'm guessing because your spirit is not aligned with God's you will continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper until we wont be able to see the shovels handle!

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

Cherry pickers everywhere!

True. Some even start threads to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

 

[BlessedPeace]

The life is in His Son (1 Jn 5:11), and we are commanded "remain in Him" (1 Jn 2:28)--some don't, so they're cut off and thrown in the fire (Jn 15)..

You will answer for every word.

Of all the Father gives Yeshua,He will lose none.

 

[GracePeace]

True. Some even start threads to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

I'm not here saying you all are condemned to hell, only that one aspect of your teaching had its roots in Gnosticism (because in truth it did), that is an imperfection, an inaccuracy, in your beliefs, so there's no reason to lob accusations, especially ones as serious as that.

 

[GracePeace]

You will answer for every word.

Of all the Father gives Yeshua,He will lose none.

I'm happy to "answer" for merely stating "God is true"--merely stating what Scripture says.

 

[face2face]

You will answer for every word.

Of all the Father gives Yeshua,He will lose none.

John 17:12 for the complete picture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don't know?

Everyone fails faith at one time or another. You did not know that?

No, you seem to be doing a good job of this yourself.

lol. No. I can not be fooled by you

True.

True for those whose faith fail's not.

Again, everyone’s faith will fail if it did not we would not sin. We sin when our faith fails. Or did you not know this?

A person isn't saved until they are saved.

They are saved when God says they are

And jesus said they are saved when they trust Christ.

This is the type of arrogance which leads you into a hole which you appear to be digging for yourself.

Look in a mirror my friend..I am not trusting myself or my works, YOU ARE

Some to honor and some to dishonor!

And??

See how unbalanced your set of beliefs are compared to the Word of God?

lol.. Mine agree with the word of God. I do nto make God a liar. YOU DO

I'm guessing because your spirit is not aligned with God's you will continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper until we wont be able to see the shovels handle!

lol. Well I do not have to worry about you. You have yet to do anything to prove me in error. You do like most do. Just attack and attack..

Yeah good luck wiht that

When will you repent and stop trusting self?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

True. Some even start threads to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

What do you think you just did?

 

[face2face]

Everyone fails faith at one time or another. You did not know that?

Jesus was talking in the absolute sense!

lol. No. I can not be fooled by you

As I said you are doing a good job of this yourself.

Again, everyone’s faith will fail if it did not we would not sin. We sin when our faith fails. Or did you not know this?

Now you are starting to appear uneducated and possibly out of your depth in this conversation.

They are saved when God says they are

And jesus said they are saved when they trust Christ.

So you agree they are saved when they are finally saved.

Even Jesus himself was "being" saved which is why he prayed to God who could save him from death!

Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. Heb 5:8

Look up Hebrews 5:7

Write here what it states about Jesus___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Look in a mirror my friend..I am not trusting myself or my works, YOU ARE

And??

lol.. Mine agree with the word of God. I do nto make God a liar. YOU DO

Caps just show a loss of ground - are you angry?

lol. Well I do not have to worry about you. You have yet to do anything to prove me in error. You do like most do. Just attack and attack..

Yeah good luck wiht that

When will you repent and stop trusting self?

Lets see how you go with Hebrews 5:7&8 - imagine how difficult those verses are for you!

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 17:12 for the complete picture.

John 3 for a better picture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus was talking in the absolute sense!

lol. People do not just repent. And trust God with their eternity, then unrepent my friend.

As I said you are doing a good job of this yourself.

Now you are starting to appear uneducated and possibly out of your depth in this conversation.

lol. What we see is you have nothing to counter me with, you you make these ad hominem strawmen comments. Like you always do.

So you agree they are saved when they are finally saved.

They are saved When God said they are

Eph 1 says that they are saved at the moment of faith.

You say they are not. i will take Pauls word over yours ok?

Even Jesus himself was "being" saved which is why he prayed to God who could save him from death!

Oh, so jesus needed saved?

lol. Ok my friend. There is no need to go on.. The fact you think Jesus needed saved just goes to show you have way to much to learn before you can try to teach others

Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. Heb 5:8

Look up Hebrews 5:7

Write here what it states about Jesus___________________________________________________________________________________________________


Caps just show a loss of ground - are you angry?

Lets see how you go with Hebrews 5:7&8 - imagine how difficult those verses are for you!

F2F

You start with John 3 first.. Actually it does not matter, You think Jesus needed saved, it just shows you do not know Jesus at all

Back to my ignore bin..

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: osas = gnostic heresy?
yes, in UNsound theology, but:

In Scripturally Sound Doctrine we find God's ETERNAL Salvation:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+ Update
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God's Eternal Assurance
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance

Amen.

 

[GracePeace]

Now you are starting to appear uneducated and possibly out of your depth in this conversation.

Bingo!

 

[GracePeace]

op: osas = gnostic heresy?
yes, in UNsound theology, but:

In Scripturally Sound Doctrine we find God's ETERNAL Salvation:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+ Update
+
God's Eternal Assurance
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance

Amen.

OSAS was only known among Gnostics in the first 500 years of Christianity--the early church fought it as a heresy before Augustine, a former Gnostic, brought it into the Church.

 

[face2face]

John 3 for a better picture.

Confirmation bias is a dangerous position to be in!

 

[face2face]

lol. People do not just repent. And trust God with their eternity, then unrepent my friend.

You are moving away from the example presented...is this your ploy to remain on the sand?

lol. What we see is you have nothing to counter me with, you you make these ad hominem strawmen comments. Like you always do.

Plenty of Scriptures that tell you're saved...there is a verse that states "There is no God" which is why I am giving you the complete picture and not the one of your own making.

They are saved When God said they are

Eph 1 says that they are saved at the moment of faith.

You say they are not. i will take Pauls word over yours ok?

Where did I say they are not saved? Show me the Post #?

Oh, so jesus needed saved?

lol. Ok my friend. There is no need to go on.. The fact you think Jesus needed saved just goes to show you have way to much to learn before you can try to teach others

So you couldn't speak to Hebrews 5:7-8 (interesting! very interesting!!)

You are so deep in the hole (a deep darkness) of your own making now you can't even speak to the Word of God.

Now that's telling!

You start with John 3 first.. Actually it does not matter, You think Jesus needed saved, it just shows you do not know Jesus at all

Back to my ignore bin..

What was Jesus praying to his Father for?

Hebrews 5:7

List the verse here

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Look I even drew a line for you

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