J
Johann
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Are you fighting against the Scriptures or relying on your fluctuating experiences @Episkopos?The letter kills, the Spirit gives life. My experiences as you say transcend words.
That's not what I said. The error is in assuming and presuming without experiencing the eternal life. How can a person have something they don't yet have?
I deny a sinful holiness. Too many today have no experience of holiness...only what they surmise from reading ABOUT holiness...without any understanding. It's funny that you see experience of something as less valid than theories made up by enthusiasts.
Soldiers who have been to war are called veterans. These have EXPERIENCE of war. You would have raw recruits teach those veterans about war in your scheme because they have NO experience...just army manuals. You are upside down in logic and understanding.
false. I prayed to Go from the written word...that quickened faith to cry out to God...and the living God responded. You need to learn how to use the bible you say justifies you WITHOUT any experience of its contents.
Your logic is fully backward. Much better to KNOW God than to read about Him. Read Job where He says...
“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You." Job 42:5
In your scheme Job went backwards?
Jesus says that He will manifest Himself to those who love Him.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21
So you are standing against love and actual connection to God for real. Is it jealousy?
I have much experience of the Lord this way. At one time disciples would have thought a blessing. But people today don't know from Adam.
And because you can't get it right you MUST come down hard on those enjoying a relationship with our Lord Christ Jesus and Abba. Or question their salvation because you are not sure re your salvation?
You even call God's grace deceitful not reading context!
The Woman Who Fears the Lord
Pro 31:10 A woman [Or “wife”] of excellence, [Or “strength,” or “valor,” or “ability,” or “efficiency”] who will find?
For her worth is far more than precious jewels.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband [Or “lord”] trusts in her,
and gain he will not lack.
Pro 31:12 She does him good, but not harm
all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeks wool and flax,
and she works with the diligence of her hands. [Literally “her palms”]
Pro 31:14 She is like the ships of a merchant;
from far off she brings her food; [Or “bread”]
Pro 31:15 And she arises while it is still night,
and gives food to her household,
and tasks to her servant girls.
Pro 31:16 She considers a field and buys it,
from the fruit of her hand [Literally “her palm”] she plants a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girds her waist in strength,
and makes her arms strong.
Pro 31:18 She perceives that her merchandise is good;
her lamp does not go out in the night.
Pro 31:19 Her hands she puts onto the distaff, [A stick or spindle onto which wool or flax is wound in preparation for spinning]
and her palms hold a spindle.
Pro 31:20 Her palm she opens to the poor,
and her hand she reaches out to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She does not fear for her house when it snows,
for her entire household [Literally “all her house, household”] is clothed in crimson.
Pro 31:22 She makes for herself coverings;
her clothing is fine linen and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband [Or “lord”] is known at the gates,
in his seat among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 Linen garments she makes and sells,
and she supplies sashes for the merchants.
Pro 31:25 Strength and dignity are her clothing,
and she laughs at the future. [Literally “to the day/time coming after”]
Pro 31:26 She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and instruction of kindness is upon her tongue.
Pro 31:27 She looks after the ways of her household,
and the bread of idleness she will not eat.
Pro 31:28 Her children rise and consider her happy,
her husband [Or “lord”] also , and he praises her;
Pro 31:29 “Many daughters have done excellence, [Or “strength,” or “valor,” or “ability,” or “efficiency”]
but you surpass [Literally “you ascend over”] all of them.”
Pro 31:30 Charm [Hebrew “The charm”] is deceit and beauty [Hebrew “the beauty”] is vain; [Or “vapor,” or “emptiness,” or “breath”]
but a woman who fears Yahweh shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give to her from the fruit of her hand,
and may they praise her works in the city gates.
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Pull yourself together man, don't lie so far apart!
Don't presume to correct me when your doctrines-more importantly, your experiences, are not in line with Scriptures
We can either work together or you can shun me, makes no difference to me.
And remember-don't call God's grace deceitful.
שֶׁקֶר הַחֵן וְהֶבֶל הַיֹּפִי; אִשָּׁה יִרְאַת-יְהוָה, הִיא תִתְהַלָּל
("Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing, but a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised." - Proverbs 31:30, NKJV)
In this verse, the Hebrew word שֶׁקֶר (sheker), meaning "deceit," is applied to חֵן (chen), often translated as "charm" or "grace," and יֹּפִי (yofi), meaning "beauty." The point being made is not that grace (or charm) itself is inherently deceitful, but that outward charm or beauty can be misleading or superficial, while the true value lies in the fear of the Lord.
This passage encourages us to look beyond surface-level attributes, such as charm or beauty, and to value inner qualities, like godliness and reverence for God.
Ya hear?
J.