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The letter kills, the Spirit gives life. My experiences as you say transcend words.


That's not what I said. The error is in assuming and presuming without experiencing the eternal life. How can a person have something they don't yet have?


I deny a sinful holiness. Too many today have no experience of holiness...only what they surmise from reading ABOUT holiness...without any understanding. It's funny that you see experience of something as less valid than theories made up by enthusiasts.

Soldiers who have been to war are called veterans. These have EXPERIENCE of war. You would have raw recruits teach those veterans about war in your scheme because they have NO experience...just army manuals. You are upside down in logic and understanding.


false. I prayed to Go from the written word...that quickened faith to cry out to God...and the living God responded. You need to learn how to use the bible you say justifies you WITHOUT any experience of its contents.

Your logic is fully backward. Much better to KNOW God than to read about Him. Read Job where He says...

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You." Job 42:5

In your scheme Job went backwards?


Jesus says that He will manifest Himself to those who love Him.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21

So you are standing against love and actual connection to God for real. Is it jealousy?

I have much experience of the Lord this way. At one time disciples would have thought a blessing. But people today don't know from Adam.
Are you fighting against the Scriptures or relying on your fluctuating experiences @Episkopos?
And because you can't get it right you MUST come down hard on those enjoying a relationship with our Lord Christ Jesus and Abba. Or question their salvation because you are not sure re your salvation?

You even call God's grace deceitful not reading context!


The Woman Who Fears the Lord
Pro 31:10 A woman [Or “wife”] of excellence, [Or “strength,” or “valor,” or “ability,” or “efficiency”] who will find?
For her worth is far more than precious jewels.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband [Or “lord”] trusts in her,
and gain he will not lack.
Pro 31:12 She does him good, but not harm
all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeks wool and flax,
and she works with the diligence of her hands. [Literally “her palms”]
Pro 31:14 She is like the ships of a merchant;
from far off she brings her food; [Or “bread”]
Pro 31:15 And she arises while it is still night,
and gives food to her household,
and tasks to her servant girls.
Pro 31:16 She considers a field and buys it,
from the fruit of her hand [Literally “her palm”] she plants a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girds her waist in strength,
and makes her arms strong.
Pro 31:18 She perceives that her merchandise is good;
her lamp does not go out in the night.
Pro 31:19 Her hands she puts onto the distaff, [A stick or spindle onto which wool or flax is wound in preparation for spinning]
and her palms hold a spindle.
Pro 31:20 Her palm she opens to the poor,
and her hand she reaches out to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She does not fear for her house when it snows,
for her entire household [Literally “all her house, household”] is clothed in crimson.
Pro 31:22 She makes for herself coverings;
her clothing is fine linen and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband [Or “lord”] is known at the gates,
in his seat among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 Linen garments she makes and sells,
and she supplies sashes for the merchants.
Pro 31:25 Strength and dignity are her clothing,
and she laughs at the future. [Literally “to the day/time coming after”]
Pro 31:26 She opens her mouth with wisdom,
and instruction of kindness is upon her tongue.
Pro 31:27 She looks after the ways of her household,
and the bread of idleness she will not eat.
Pro 31:28 Her children rise and consider her happy,
her husband [Or “lord”] also , and he praises her;
Pro 31:29 “Many daughters have done excellence, [Or “strength,” or “valor,” or “ability,” or “efficiency”]
but you surpass [Literally “you ascend over”] all of them.”
Pro 31:30 Charm [Hebrew “The charm”] is deceit and beauty [Hebrew “the beauty”] is vain; [Or “vapor,” or “emptiness,” or “breath”]
but a woman who fears Yahweh shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give to her from the fruit of her hand,
and may they praise her works in the city gates.

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Pull yourself together man, don't lie so far apart!

Don't presume to correct me when your doctrines-more importantly, your experiences, are not in line with Scriptures
We can either work together or you can shun me, makes no difference to me.

And remember-don't call God's grace deceitful.

שֶׁקֶר הַחֵן וְהֶבֶל הַיֹּפִי; אִשָּׁה יִרְאַת-יְהוָה, הִיא תִתְהַלָּל
("Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing, but a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised." - Proverbs 31:30, NKJV)

In this verse, the Hebrew word שֶׁקֶר (sheker), meaning "deceit," is applied to חֵן (chen), often translated as "charm" or "grace," and יֹּפִי (yofi), meaning "beauty." The point being made is not that grace (or charm) itself is inherently deceitful, but that outward charm or beauty can be misleading or superficial, while the true value lies in the fear of the Lord.

This passage encourages us to look beyond surface-level attributes, such as charm or beauty, and to value inner qualities, like godliness and reverence for God.

Ya hear?
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The letter kills, the Spirit gives life. My experiences as you say transcend words.
Right out of context-I test and evaluate your experience by the D'varim of God-you are making many errors when it comes to an hermeneutical approach to Scripture.
That's not what I said. The error is in assuming and presuming without experiencing the eternal life. How can a person have something they don't yet have?
No presuming nor assuming-factual and Scriptural, the just shall live by faith, not experiences.
1 John 5:13 (Lexham Bible Translation)
“I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.”

Grammar and Syntax:
The Greek verb used for know here is οἴδατε (oidate), a perfect indicative active verb, meaning a settled knowledge—something already fully understood and known. This implies that believers possess a current, sure understanding of their eternal state.
John 10:27-28 (NKJV)
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.”

Grammar and Syntax:
The phrase I give (δίδωμι, didōmi) is in the present active indicative, signifying a continual, ongoing action. Eternal life is not something delayed but granted immediately upon belief. They shall never perish (οὐ μὴ ἀπόλωνται, ou mē apolōntai) uses a double negative in Greek (οὐ and μὴ), a strong way to express absolute certainty that perishing is impossible.
Ephesians 1:13-14 (Lexham Bible Translation)
“In whom also, when you heard the word of truth (the gospel of your salvation), in whom also when you believed, you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.”

Grammar and Syntax:
The word sealed (ἐσφραγίσθητε, esphragisthēte) is in the aorist passive indicative, showing that this action (being sealed) was completed at a specific point when the believer trusted in Christ. It indicates a completed, decisive event. The Holy Spirit is described as the arrabōn (down payment), guaranteeing full future redemption.
Romans 8:16 (NKJV)
“The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.”

Grammar and Syntax:
The verb bears witness (συμμαρτυρεῖ, symmartyrei) is present active indicative, indicating an ongoing action where the Holy Spirit continuously testifies to the believer’s status as a child of God. The present tense stresses the constant assurance provided by the Holy Spirit.
John 5:24 (NKJV)
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”

Grammar and Syntax:
The verb has (ἔχει, echei) in has everlasting life is in the present active indicative, showing that eternal life is a present possession, not a future expectation. The phrase has passed (μεταβέβηκεν, metabebēken) is perfect active indicative, denoting a completed action with ongoing results—indicating a permanent transfer from death to life.
2 Timothy 1:12 (NKJV)
“For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.”

Grammar and Syntax:
The verb I know (οἶδα, oida) in the perfect active indicative expresses a confidence grounded in an established fact, not mere opinion or hope. Am persuaded (πεπεῖσμαι, pepeismai) is also perfect passive indicative, showing a firm, unshakeable conviction based on past assurance.
These passages not only express the assurance of salvation but also the grammatical structure—especially the use of perfect and present tenses—underscores that salvation is a completed work with present and future certainty for the believer. This provides a strong foundation for confidence in eternal life.

Irrefutable, let every man be found a liar and YHVH be justified.
It's funny that you see experience of something as less valid than theories made up by enthusiasts.

Soldiers who have been to war are called veterans. These have EXPERIENCE of war. You would have raw recruits teach those veterans about war in your scheme because they have NO experience...just army manuals. You are upside down in logic and understanding.
I too was in war friend-the one grasping for straws is you @Episkopos.
false. I prayed to Go from the written word...that quickened faith to cry out to God...and the living God responded. You need to learn how to use the bible you say justifies you WITHOUT any experience of its contents.

Your logic is fully backward. Much better to KNOW God than to read about Him. Read Job where He says...

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You." Job 42:5

In your scheme Job went backwards?
My "logic" is biblical and dokimazete it against your logic, which is NO logic, fully backward and time for you to move forward.

There is still time to repent from erroneous doctrines and experiences.

And remember-חֵן לֹא רְמִיָּה

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if a person is not your real brother in christ. And you call them your brother. You would be leading them astray and enabling them to continue to be your fake brother.
Interesting-are you my brother in Christ? I don't know you at all.
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I do not know you either

but i do know epi, i have known him for many years across many chatrooms.

And i would never enable him
Would you say we should also not be "enabled?" You do realize we are discussing another member behind his back now, don't you?
Is this Christlike?
Do you really think I am so blind I cannot discern truth from error?

Shalom @Eternally Grateful for I am eternally grateful for having a discussion WITH @Episkopos since most here don't really want to get to know me and my fears and shortcomings.

J.
 

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Would you say we should also not be "enabled?" You do realize we are discussing another member behind his back now, don't you?
Is this Christlike?
Do you really think I am so blind I cannot discern truth from error?
I am still undecided. I mean you are saying that he is your brother in Christ no matter what..So are you discerning his gospel correctly? How many ways is there to heaven? Is your way the same as his way? From what I know of you, if I remember correctly, it is not even close. So there is that. can you both be right?

I am talking to you about something you said.. Epi already knows what I think about his gospel.. so he is not hearing anything he has not heard already
Shalom @Eternally Grateful for I am eternally grateful for having a discussion WITH @Episkopos since most here don't really want to get to know me and my fears and shortcomings.

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Not so. It is those who are always learning but never come to the knowledge of the truth...or who have a FORM of godliness but deny the power thereof.....these are the stubborn ones that reflect the same thing that the Jews of old had...a stiffness of neck...a wilfull sin.

What it is not is a canal believer who engages in fleshly sins. Again the soulish sins of religion are worse. If you don;t get that read about how Jesus condemned the Pharisees...saying that their sin remained because they claimed something that wasn't true...thereby spoiling righteousness.

A wilfull child is not one who reads dirty books or sets fire to things. It is a child who doesn't listen to instruction.


I am judging righteous judgment as I seek to preserve the righteousness of the righteous. Spoiled and immature believers need the fear of the Lord to avoid condemnation. It's not just about outside sins...sinning begins in the heart. A heart that is NOT right with God is worse for claiming to be righteous than a person who sins outwardly without the added sin of self-justification before God.


You have to read the bible and not just dictionaries. The bible says that grace is deceitful. Sheker ha-chen.


That's an attitude of love...and grace in human terms. But God's grace is something far more specific. It is the power ...as a gift...unto salvation. The power us-ward who believe. You may need many more years of deeper study to overcome that understanding. But just one minute in Zion would turn that around.

Judgment begins at God's house. God is very hard on those who call themselves by His Name. To whom much is given MORE is required. So you have it backward. God chastens HARD those whom He loves.

Religious speculation aside, judgment is going to be a very big surprise to everyone. There will be rejoicing among the humble...but tears and anger among the religiously certain ones.
Unfortunately you are the one who is religiously certain and dogmatic in the way you approach things Epi. You see no difference between the unsaved so-called righteous and the saved who are righteous. What I see in scripture is that we follow the same pattern as Israel, wilderness journey and being tutored to Christ out of the law......but as an allegory, not in the same literal sense. Our starting point is higher than theirs was......by faith which is NOT of our own, and thus our eyes and ears and hearts were unstopped to see, know, receive and hear God/Christ by His Spirit. But you seem to be someone who thinks he has nothing more to learn and you expect people to build a temple without the foundation as if that were possible.

As I'm seeing this, the bible says explicitly in Hebrews that we who believe HAVE entered His rest.......yet we still need to enter it in a deeper and more thorough way.....this is why we see battles to overcome after entering the Land of rest in order to not just enter but possess it, by thoroughly eliminating ALL the usurpers/enemies (Caananites) of our souls. Paul wrote in Romans that if you have the Spirit you ARE in the Spirit, yet again I believe we still can go deeper in a more thorough way. Because there is a DOUBLE portion for the church of the first-born. David crying out to God, "THOROUGHLY purge me with hyssop."
 

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then how can you KNOW he is your brother in Christ?

I would personally want to make a claim I could not verify. if he is not your brother in reality, you could be leading him astray
Many and more so daily are having a problem with a word when it comes to Christ .
The word is , BELIEVE .
That is what i see getting overlooked today . Many can teach certain aspects about the Spirit
about JESUS teachings , but will over look and even omit the BELIEVE YE IN HIM PART .
That is Quite contrary to what JESUS himself said and the apostels said and taught .
THEY put the emphasis heavy on the BELIEVE in HIM .
What shall we do to be saved . Their answer is and was , BELIEVE YE on JESUS CHRIST .
I aint seeing that message much at all in places . Rather i am seeing
another gospel . One that seems to imply that even the reminder one MUST believe , IS IN the way and not necessary to even say .
We got a serious problem . For more info on that , did you see that video and what the pope himself said
about all religions . This is merging all unto a lie as it trods CHRIST right under foot .
 

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Unfortunately you are the one who is religiously certain and dogmatic in the way you approach things Epi. You see no difference between the unsaved so-called righteous and the saved who are righteous. What I see in scripture is that we follow the same pattern as Israel, wilderness journey and being tutored to Christ out of the law......but as an allegory, not in the same literal sense. Our starting point is higher than theirs was......by faith which is NOT of our own, and thus our eyes and ears and hearts were unstopped to see, know, receive and hear God/Christ by His Spirit. But you seem to be someone who thinks he has nothing more to learn and you expect people to build a temple without the foundation as if that were possible.

As I'm seeing this, the bible says explicitly in Hebrews that we who believe HAVE entered His rest.......yet we still need to enter it in a deeper and more thorough way.....this is why we see battles to overcome after entering the Land of rest in order to not just enter but possess it, by thoroughly eliminating ALL the usurpers/enemies (Caananites) of our souls. Paul wrote in Romans that if you have the Spirit you ARE in the Spirit, yet again I believe we still can go deeper in a more thorough way. Because there is a DOUBLE portion for the church of the first-born. David crying out to God, "THOROUGHLY purge me with hyssop."
I guess you seen that video dear sister . That is what i have long been warning out against .
And it keeps gaining the ground too sister .
JESUS ,the dire need to repent and beleive on JESUS THE CHRIST , IS BEING REPLACED with a false love unifying lie .
many now have a problem with a word . that word is , BELIEVE . YE must BELIEVE in HIM .
I tried to warn us where this seeker friendly and bridge builders co exist interfaith inclusive stuff was leading .
IT AINT TO GOD SISTER it to another who has come in his own name to decieve the nations .
 

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I am still undecided. I mean you are saying that he is your brother in Christ no matter what..So are you discerning his gospel correctly? How many ways is there to heaven? Is your way the same as his way? From what I know of you, if I remember correctly, it is not even close. So there is that. can you both be right?

I am talking to you about something you said.. Epi already knows what I think about his gospel.. so he is not hearing anything he has not heard already
What did both paul and john say concerning anyone who brings another gospel .
Yet under the idea of what many now think is inclusive , tolerant and loving
THEY overlook even THAT my friend . I tried to warn us for years where all this stuff was headed .
To the shut down of the one true gospel and they will come against those who refuse to conform to this other lovespel they think
is a gospel . That video , i have heard them same words from protestants .
THEY brought this in to the churches under the guise of tolerance , love and etc .
We do realize what happens when error is not corrected
when leaven is not corrected .
ERROR begets only MORE ERROR
leaven , leavens .
I tried my dear friend . And i aint giving up either . We in a war for the souls of men
By grace I KNOW WHO TO POINT TOO and ITS HE ALONE i shall POINT TOO . JESUS THE CHRIST .
Lord , who then can be saved .
with MEN this is IMPOSSIBLE . yeah me thinks we need to KEEP that in MIND .
WITH GOD all things are possible . AND HOW DID GOD pre determine to save the world .
HE SENT THE SON that all who do believe would not perish but have everlasting life . SO , we better preach that NAME .
cause all else is vain if one believeth not ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
 

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What he is propagating is NOT the gospel but the religion of Babylon. I think transgression has to come to the full in that institution to expose what it really is, and then God will judge it.

There seems to be an awful lot of exposing of iniquity and wickedness going on these days.....it's distressingly beyond the pale. And thank God for His justice, but I fear it might also mean He is getting ready to judge our society in a more general way. May the Lord remember not to judge the righteous along with the wicked.

2Ti 3:9
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
 

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Many and more so daily are having a problem with a word when it comes to Christ .
The word is , BELIEVE .
That is what i see getting overlooked today . Many can teach certain aspects about the Spirit
about JESUS teachings , but will over look and even omit the BELIEVE YE IN HIM PART .
That is Quite contrary to what JESUS himself said and the apostels said and taught .
THEY put the emphasis heavy on the BELIEVE in HIM .
What shall we do to be saved . Their answer is and was , BELIEVE YE on JESUS CHRIST .
I aint seeing that message much at all in places . Rather i am seeing
another gospel . One that seems to imply that even the reminder one MUST believe , IS IN the way and not necessary to even say .
We got a serious problem . For more info on that , did you see that video and what the pope himself said
about all religions . This is merging all unto a lie as it trods CHRIST right under foot .
Even demons believe and tremble.

There is mere belief and their is saving faith. I can believe yet not have any faith at all
 

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What did both paul and john say concerning anyone who brings another gospel .
Yet under the idea of what many now think is inclusive , tolerant and loving
THEY overlook even THAT my friend . I tried to warn us for years where all this stuff was headed .
To the shut down of the one true gospel and they will come against those who refuse to conform to this other lovespel they think
is a gospel . That video , i have heard them same words from protestants .
THEY brought this in to the churches under the guise of tolerance , love and etc .
We do realize what happens when error is not corrected
when leaven is not corrected .
ERROR begets only MORE ERROR
leaven , leavens .
I tried my dear friend . And i aint giving up either . We in a war for the souls of men
By grace I KNOW WHO TO POINT TOO and ITS HE ALONE i shall POINT TOO . JESUS THE CHRIST .
Lord , who then can be saved .
with MEN this is IMPOSSIBLE . yeah me thinks we need to KEEP that in MIND .
WITH GOD all things are possible . AND HOW DID GOD pre determine to save the world .
HE SENT THE SON that all who do believe would not perish but have everlasting life . SO , we better preach that NAME .
cause all else is vain if one believeth not ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
It's the Spirit of Elijah....preparing the way for the coming of the Lord. Must be He is coming soon then. Elijah: "How long will ye halt between two opinions?"
 

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What he is propagating is NOT the gospel but the religion of Babylon. I think transgression has to come to the full in that institution to expose what it really is, and then God will judge it.

There seems to be an awful lot of exposing of iniquity and wickedness going on these days.....it's distressingly beyond the pale. And thank God for His justice, but I fear it might also mean He is getting ready to judge our society in a more general way. May the Lord remember not to judge the righteous along with the wicked.

2Ti 3:9
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
You spot on right sister . it aint no gospel . yet more and more within even christendom are falling for this ruse .
It is the spirit of darkness at work through men
to unify the tribes and religoins of earth as ONE with a unified heart of rebellion against GOD , CHRIST and the remaining saints .
You are correct sister .
Peter warned of such too .
as did paul . And paul has a particular couple of words in one of his warnings .
First , what is the driving force behind all of this madness .
I mean what is the idea all about . UNIFYING for what reason . What do they think
this unifyng of religoins will do .
Cease the fightings and bring peace n safety unto a world .
Now back to paul
For when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY ..............................
 

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Even demons believe and tremble.

There is mere belief and their is saving faith. I can believe yet not have any faith at all
The key .
As you rightly said many can say they believe . I DID TOO and yet i had zero faith IN HIM .
The KEY
many can say they believe in JESUS the CHRIST , and yet sure dont seem to BELIEVE HIM . by believe him , i mean HIS WORDS .
THAT IS YOUR KEY RIGHT THERE .
Look at what occurred at the tree in the midst of the garden .
Adam and eve both believed what GOD said about not eating from that tree .
Then along cometh the serpent and eve chose to BELIEVE HIS YE SHALL NOT DIE .
YETGOD had shall YE SHALL DIE .
Many can say all day long , i believe , i beleive , i believe . But what version of HIM do they beleive . BINGO friend .
Its about having CHARITY , LOVE .
ONLY the love of the world is deadly , the LOVE OF GOD is what we embrace .
And what does CHARITY REJOICE IN
and what does the love of the world NOT REJOICE IN
THE TRUTH pardner . THE TRUTH . and the last time i checked EVERY WORD OF CHRIST IS TRUTH , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH
so why do so many heed men who twist and omit that TRUTH and call it love and loving . exactly . BOY do we got problems in the house
of christendom . Many truly have no idea what SPIRIT they follow , or what JESUS . Men did this and men are doing it .
IT be bible time in the building .
 

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Many and more so daily are having a problem with a word when it comes to Christ .
The word is , BELIEVE .
That is what i see getting overlooked today . Many can teach certain aspects about the Spirit
about JESUS teachings , but will over look and even omit the BELIEVE YE IN HIM PART .
That is Quite contrary to what JESUS himself said and the apostels said and taught .
THEY put the emphasis heavy on the BELIEVE in HIM .
What shall we do to be saved . Their answer is and was , BELIEVE YE on JESUS CHRIST .
I aint seeing that message much at all in places . Rather i am seeing
another gospel . One that seems to imply that even the reminder one MUST believe , IS IN the way and not necessary to even say .
We got a serious problem . For more info on that , did you see that video and what the pope himself said
about all religions . This is merging all unto a lie as it trods CHRIST right under foot .
Amen. Even the righteous Jews under the Law still needed the Messiah and His gospel to inherit eternal life.........it was even for them FIRST!
 

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You spot on right sister . it aint no gospel . yet more and more within even christendom are falling for this ruse .
It is the spirit of darkness at work through men
to unify the tribes and religoins of earth as ONE with a unified heart of rebellion against GOD , CHRIST and the remaining saints .
You are correct sister .
Peter warned of such too .
as did paul . And paul has a particular couple of words in one of his warnings .
First , what is the driving force behind all of this madness .
I mean what is the idea all about . UNIFYING for what reason . What do they think
this unifyng of religoins will do .
Cease the fightings and bring peace n safety unto a world .
Now back to paul
For when they shall say PEACE N SAFETY ..............................
Trying to serve God and accept Baal at the same time....think that's what this amounts to.
 

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Amen. Even the righteous Jews under the Law still needed the Messiah and His gospel to inherit eternal life.........it was even for them FIRST!
Sadly some of them believes, but felt they still needed to add works. Paul called them fools. because they did nto have faith

Others believes, but thought they could continue to live as they always did. James called their faith dead.

so there are many who claim they believe, yet their faith is still in themselves. Pride runs deep
 
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