Orthodoxy vs "The Way".

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So true, brother. Making me smile, lol. hlo
Take note , be alert and be on gaurd dear sister .
If you take notice the one true message has been abandoned .
And by clever speeches and twisted words they try and put the focus on something else .
Rather than on something so simple a child could grasp it .
SO the question remains and thus by this question THE REAL SOLUTOIN takes forefront again .
The question to all is this . HOW is one saved . What message did JESUS and later the apostels preach .
EVEN when asked by some , WHAT THEN must we do
or HOW then can we be saved . WHAT WAS THE ANSWER . BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
But many dont like that solutoin or answer . rather they had rather they would desire to beleive
in concepts . and these concepts will give them what they desire .
And that is , OH PRAISE GOD I DONT HAVE TO SAY ONE WORD ABOUT BELEIVING IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
i can just keep silent , not even warn the church about sins and false doctrines or false leaders .
I can just coast through life and my conscious is clear . Folks like certain doctrines for a reason .
and you can bet its because its serving the flesh . rather fear or lusts or whatever .
Folks do not want to HAVE to do , or say ANYTHING that might dare cause confronation
rather they had just coast and heap n steap and whatever it is they desire .
I say that not to condmen anyone . But man if these people are too afraid to warn a muslim
or too afraid to confront a catholic about the danger they are in
OR whatever , THE LEAST they can do is PRAY FOR THOSE who do what is necessary .
And as far as boldness , It aint the flesh that makes me bold or gives me courage .
ITS GOD . in other words , UTTERANCE IS BUT A PRAYER AWAY . ASK and ye shall recieve .
 
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The deeper life. Deeper life adherents hold a range of views: the most extreme in perfectionism, the Keswick teaching of full surrender, and the Pentecostal and charismatic view of the second blessing, among others. If we lump them all together under the category of deeper life, their unwitting error is twofold.

First, Jesus and his redemptive work is not enough. It’s enough for dealing with God’s wrath but inadequate for daily living in the outworking of the gospel’s saving purpose and power. In their framework, sanctification becomes an additional experience sought through acts of full surrender or dying to self or “psychological passivity” or baptism of the Spirit leading to a deeper dimension of Christianity unknown by most.[7] Yet this extra experience falters at Paul’s declaration, “In Him you have been made complete” (Colossians 2:10).

Second, the Christian life is focused on a personal crisis experience by which a new level of spirituality is reached, instead of a continuing journey of obedience (James 1:19–25),
exercising spiritual disciplines (1 Timothy 4:6–16; 6:11–16), utilizing the means of grace (1 Timothy 4:13), living out the gospel in community (Ephesians 4–5), and receiving God’s discipline (Hebrews 12:1–11) until Christ is formed in us (Galatians 4:19).

While many godly people past and present hold aspects this view, it fails to rely upon the certainty of sanctification provided through Christ’s redemptive work and its application by the Holy Spirit pointing us to sufficiency in Christ.[8] It puts emphasis on an extra experience beyond faith in Christ, relying far too much on the level of one’s surrender or the intensity of his faith. One’s standing is elevated by the deeper life experience rather than forever settled in Christ.

2. Fundamentalism/legalism. Quite simply, while intending to give attention to obedience—which is assured in sanctification—legalism turns obedience into an external standard of acceptance. It shows unfortunate kinship with the Roman Catholic errors on sanctification.[9] The legalist measures his standing with God by the strictness of adherence to law—and what is added to law—rather than relying upon the righteousness of Christ alone (see Paul’s counter argument in Galatians). Legalism is performance driven. If one performs well, God is pleased; but slip-up, fail to meet the established expectations, then one falls into divine disfavor. Self-sanctification replaces the certainty of Christ’s sanctifying work by the Spirit. Instead of hope fixed on Christ, attention shifts to a sort-of fundamentalist targums—a brand of legalism as the standard for Christianity. But where is the sufficiency of Christ in the gospel? For all but the most self-righteous, it leaves a wake of guilt, despair, and fear.

3. Presumption leading to antinomianism. Sanctification in Christ does not exclude ongoing obedience (Ephesians 2:10; Philippians 2:12–13; Titus 2:11–14). Yet some presume upon sanctification in Christ and grace given as a license to indulge in whatever one desires. Paul tackled this problem in Romans 6, explaining that those who have become “obedient from the heart” have been freed from sin—as the controlling power in life—and now become “slaves of righteousness” (6:17–18). Consequently, those living in the grace of God have all the more reason to fight sin and to live as those alive from the dead (6:12–14). Instead of presumption, a proper understanding of sanctification leads to a spiritual warfare posture that recognizes the power of indwelling sin, while relying upon the effectiveness of Christ’s redemptive work in its application to daily life (Ephesians 6:10–20). That is the sanctified life.

Conclusion

Those “possessed by God” through Christ, to use Peterson’s phrase, are given the power and motivation to live in holiness. Their standing with God remains fixed in Christ. So their practice in sanctification doesn’t elevate them to a higher life. It cannot account them more righteous than they already are in Christ. It does not free them from the fight against sin and the discipline of obedience. Instead, slow but steady sanctification assures them, despite the struggles and battles along the journey, that Christ is bringing them to glory. That kind of sanctification teaching keeps us from adding stuff that distorts the power of the gospel.

Read carefully @Episkopos.

J.
Quite simply, it takes one's eyes off of Jesus, and onto self, as we try to monitor ourselves to see if we are "getting closer", or some such. Keeping one's self fixed upon Jesus, we are following Him, not looking to our personal opinions of our own perceptions of ourselves, which is to me an unfruitul way to live.

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Quite simply, it takes one's eyes off of Jesus, and onto self, as we try to monitor ourselves to see if we are "getting closer", or some such. Keeping one's self fixed upon Jesus, we are following Him, not looking to our personal opinions of our own perceptions of ourselves, which is to me an unfruitul way to live.

Much love!
Correct brother.

Hebrews 12:2 (NKJV):
"Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

2 Corinthians 3:18 (NKJV):
"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."

Colossians 3:1-2 (NKJV):
"If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth."

Philippians 3:13-14 (NKJV):
"Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus."

John 15:4-5 (NKJV):
"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing."

J.
 

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Quite simply, it takes one's eyes off of Jesus, and onto self, as we try to monitor ourselves to see if we are "getting closer", or some such. Keeping one's self fixed upon Jesus, we are following Him, not looking to our personal opinions of our own perceptions of ourselves, which is to me an unfruitul way to live.

Much love!
Personal opinions verses to examine oneself .
For we are to examine ourselves .
If any opinion and thought comes to our mind and that thought contradicts that which is written , Its a thought
we had better not continue to entertain .
As far as examining oneself , that we are to do but must do so by the glorious TRUTH and not the doctrines and opinions of men .
If our opinion has us to see ourselves as some great thing , then our opinion is of the flesh and is deadly .
If the thought within us says , ye do much righteousness and are high above many others , THEN ITS COMING of the flesh
and is known as PRIDE .
But again we are to examine ourselves . We do so by the Words of the Holy LORD .
We are to stir up ourselves , as paul once wrote to timothy , STIR Up thyself .
We are to stir up one another . one of the best ways to do that , IS bible reading , being stirred up
by ways Of remembrance . And we are to stir one another up with those reminders as well .
As well as if GOD gives us a word or etc to say to the others .
One thing , i have learned and known by grace is , the more one has their focus ON THE LORD and
in the scrips and in prayer , The more one is being stirred up and reminded by the PURE ways
Yet so many have chosen to rather sit under bad doctrine and bad leadership .
Not only that but they do not spend much time at all in the bible for themselves . Or in prayer
or etc .
Another huge problem within a lot of christendom is that they have taken off
to correct . and as leaven left uncorrected grows it clouds the minds of all around it and in time they begin to
see it as the norm and even accept it and continue to get worse and worse and worse .
My advice , my friendly reminder to all is , It really is time to learn . And what better way to learn
than to have read the bible for our own selves , always praying and asking GOD for wisdom and understanding .