Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Michiah-Imla]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 talks about the Sanctification of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life AND a belief of the truth.
The context supports this viewpoint for 2 Thessalonians 2:13 because 2 Thessalonians 2:12 shows you the polar opposite contrast of 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and 2 Thessalonians 2:15-16 talks about both faith AND works.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 says that God has chosen us to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth (Which is a CALL of the gospel - 2 Thessalonians 2:14).

Romans 8:13 also describes living holy by the Spirit of God in putting away sin, vs. not doing so.

No.

There is no different sanctifications here.

It all ties into when a man got born again. If he was truly born again, the fruits of that sanctification will show.

 

[Taken]

I am not into physiology and think it is unbiblical.

LOL, I was not talking about physiology, ie body functions.

So I would really have no idea of how to employ this tactic as you claim I have.

Simple, don’t speak FOR others, what they themselves DO not Claim for themselves.

Your words are simply confusing and unclear here. Before you were saying 1 John 1:9 was dealing with a believer first getting saved. I am proposing to you that such is not the case. Do we confirmation of confessing sin after a person accepts the Lord?

Look...
either you BELIEVE, continuing BELIEVING...and WILL Be Saved forever.
Or
BELIEVE....stop Believing...and WILL NOT Be save.
OR
you BELIEVE....BECOME CONVERTED “IN” Christ...and ARE saved, FOREVER.

King David confessed of his sins to God in Psalms 51.

So? I am not king David, not Jewish, not under Jewish law, not waiting for bodily death to become saved....

But if we are to believe your words, this would be absolutely unnecessary.

False. I confessed my Sins. And SIN NO MORE. No more Sins to Confess. Converted. Not waiting until physical death to become saved. Already saved.

But the real proof is the parable of the Prodigal Son in Luke 15. Do you want to deal with what that parable actually says vs. your own thinking on it?

You want to prove that parable applies to me?

Please take no offense,

None taken.

You also use the cap locks key way too much (Which turns a lot of people off)

And CAPS makes the print easier for a lot of people to see.
All CAPS has been a long standing point of emphasis.
Never noticed every news headline to get your attention is all Bold and Caps?
It’s politically correct, it’s yelling, it’s a turn off, boo boo. Maybe I don’t like an others style, slang, acronyms, font choice, color choice, margin choice, of writing, so what, I deal with it.

(Note: I have seen this happen a tons of times). So if you have ever noticed that that not many people are replying to you, these two things most likely would be the reason.

Thanks, but no issue with me.

Also, it would not hurt to also change your avatar. The black eyes smiley face looks dark and evil and could also turn people off in replying to you.

LOL- it’s Oreos.....ooooh now cookies are Evil looking, lol
Pretty much inanutshell the OUTSIDE is so offensive it distracts from WHAT is said?

 

[Taken]

I’m in Christ (a new creature).

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

If I am become new, why do I need more sanctification?

Once I became sanctified in Christ the old man passed away.

^ 5

When you buy a brand new car, does it need any repairs?

I think these days that fall under “hope” not.

 

[Taken]

There are different ranks and types of faith.

I would say “degrees”/“amounts” of faith...
Much as a mustard seed...to faith-FULL.

All things are gifts from God. There is nothing that exists didn't come from God.

sure

 

[Ezra]

So let me ask you. If a Christian were to look upon a woman in lust, and they got hit by a bus, and they immediately died, are they saved? I don't think they are saved because 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

my advice dont be looking at a woman out of lust and get hit by a bus .you will end up in hell .on a serious note your top of the list now for foolish questions

 

[Grailhunter]

The claim of Christians gathering for worship on Sunday, and NOT observing the Sabbath, is made without a scintilla of evidence. This claim would fall into that category. It is not only useless in its quantifiability, it smacks of desperation.

Those that know the history of it, know that the Jewish Christians observed the Law. And that is both good and bad because they were still practicing polygamy and concubinage. As a strange turn of irony most of the Gentile Christians found that "distasteful"

They didn't have to plan it. Christianity was taking over.

No Christianity was declining due to shear mass of people being killed. The Romans were killing on sight. Over 250 years of killing Christian had reduced their numbers. The only branch of Christianity that was growing was Gnosticism and that was because they did things in secret.

The Bible says? Where? I would suspect that this would be the belief in the Old Testament....but I do not think there is an example.
ALL of the prophecies supposedly fulfilled by Jesus are from the OT. Christians constantly cite verses from the OT about how God knows them and wants to bless them. But, they never quote anything about instructions. "The blessings are for Christians, but the instructions are for the Jews." The blessings are inextricably linked to the instructions.

Again, I am sure they would not condone celebrating Yahweh with Pagan h

The Jew were the first Christians converts...Ya
The first people to recognize their Messiah was Jews. They recognized Him because the events of His death fulfilled the Spring feasts of Leviticus 23.

Those Gentiles joined congregations of Jews.
They did to begin with.
The claim of Christians gathering for worship on Sunday, and NOT observing the Sabbath, is made without a scintilla of evidence. This claim would fall into that category. It is not only useless in its quantifiability, it smacks of desperation.


As the religion grew, Rome knew the best way to capitalize on this new god sweeping the land was to get control of it and use that control to make it be whatever served their needs.
How long do you think they planned that? LOL And how strange a plan was it? The persecutions lasted for over 250 years. Horrible unimaginable persecutions....were they courting them with persecutions.
They didn't have to plan it. Christianity was taking over. They merely secured their positions in the religious hierarchy by forcing compliance to their system. "You can worship any god you want, even Jesus. But, you must conform to OUR rituals, methods and holidays. You can be a Christian and obey us and live. Or, you can stick to what the Bible says, and die."

The Bible says that using pagan holidays and rituals to worship YHVH is an abomination.
The Bible says? Where? I would suspect that this would be the belief in the Old Testament....but I do not think there is an example.
ALL of the prophecies supposedly fulfilled by Jesus are from the OT. Christians constantly cite verses from the OT about how God knows them and wants to bless them. But, they never quote anything about instructions. "The blessings are for Christians, but the instructions are for the Jews." The blessings are inextricably linked to the instructions.

In the NT it is called "pollution of idols." Acts 15:20.
Galatians 4:1-10 "Before you knew the one true God, you served false gods. Jesus set you free from the bondage of worshipping false gods. Why do you desire to return to that beggar status? Why do you desire to return to observing THEIR feasts and holy days, instead of the holy days decreed by YHVH that are ALL ABOUT JESUS?"

Deuteronomy 12:29-32, Jeremiah 10:1-5

Romans 15:4 Paul is telling you the source of the doctrines for the NT Christian is found in the OT.

For the rest of the Holiday thing there is no good answer for Protestants.
I don't know what that means.

What do you think Moses and God would do if someone came up and wanted to change or divide there religion into 30.000 religions?
Why would they care if apostacy is divided?

What do you think Christ and the Apostles would think of people that would fracture Christ's church into 30,000 denominations.....?
They would be thrilled to see it collapsing. The claim that idolatry and pollution is "Christ's church" only testifies to the ubiquitous nature of the deception.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m in Christ (a new creature).

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

If I am become new, why do I need more sanctification?

Once I became sanctified in Christ the old man passed away.

When you buy a brand new car, does it need any repairs?

So your a car?

Or are you a new child, who comes out as a baby. and spend your whole life growing?

Why did paul call the corinthian church babes, if they were perfectly mature christiand who di dnot need to grow

Why are we told to grow in truth and knowledge

I am not sure what bible you read. But any Bible I have ever read (I read the KJV until my late teens) speak of spiritual growth and walking and growing in christ. and continuing to run, because we have not yet finished our race.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Why did paul call the corinthian church babes, if they were perfectly mature christiand who di dnot need to grow

They weren’t all sanctified yet.

For:

“Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus” (1 Corinthians 1:2)

“To them” implies some were not sanctified. Like these at Galatia who didn’t have Christ formed in them yet:

“My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you” (Galatians 4:19)

 

[mailmandan]

No. Read Matthew 13:41-42 more carefully. It says that the Son of Man (JESUS) will send forth his angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM. This means that these types that are in HIS KINGDOM will be gathered out and cast into the furnace of fire (the Lake of Fire) at the Judgment before Christ hands over his kingdom to God the Father.

I read the entire chapter. Pay close attention to the parable of the weeds among the wheat. Matthew 13:24 - Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field." 25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and left. 26 And when the wheat sprouted and produced grain, then the weeds also became evident. 27 And the slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No; while you are gathering up the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and at the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.” *Note the distinction.

The weeds are the sons of the evil one and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age. This is when Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on earth and removes the weeds/the unrighteous. (vs. 41-42) Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. (vs. 43) There are weeds among the wheat, yet at the end of the age, they will be separated.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They weren’t all sanctified yet.

For:

“Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus” (1 Corinthians 1:2)

“To them” implies some were not sanctified. Like these at Galatia who didn’t have Christ formed in them yet:

“My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you” (Galatians 4:19)

Paul also called them babes.

They were sanctified (justified)

but hey, I guess if you think the moment you are saved you become perfect in everything, Then I do not really know what else to say.. I can't help you. and you can't help me. So maybe time to move on.

 

[mailmandan]

Just the opposite of what James taught,
James 2:24,
-You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

I already thoroughly explained this in post #1133.

Danthemailman you teach we are justified by only belief.
The bible does not teach this,
James taught the only way a man is justified is by faith and obedient works.

What did Paul say in Romans 5:1? Therefore having been justified by faith (plus what? plus nothing) faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) You fail to understand that James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) We are not saved by both faith and works.

James teaches you cannot be justified with faith only,
James 2:20,
-But do you want to know o foolish man that faith without works is dead?

James is talking about an empty profession of faith/dead (hence faith only) -- produces no evidential works. In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That's like saying a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims they have faith but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. Simple!

Faith alone is unprofitable, it can not save,
James 2:14,
-what does it profit my brethren, If someone says he has belief but has no works? Can his faith without works save him?
-Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works is dead.

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to validate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

Clearly, faith with no obedience is a dead, unprofitable worthless faith.
Even the disobedient demons have faith. But their faith is void of works,
James 2:19,
-You believe that there is one God, You do well. Even the demons believe(no works) and tremble.

An empty profession of faith that produces no works at all/remains void of works, demonstrates that it's dead. In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believein/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan (and not Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

James conclusion on faith without works:
We are only justified by a living working faith!
James 2:25-26
-Likewise was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
-For as the physical body without the soul is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

In James 2:25, Rahab believed in the Lord with authentic faith (Joshua 2:9-13), requested "kindness" (2:12), received the promise of kindness (2:14), and hung out the "scarlet line" (2:21), as the demonstration of her authentic faith. She showed that her faith in God was not a dead faith by her works, just as all genuine believers show theirs. We are justified by a living faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. This faith that is alive in Christ results in producing good works, yet the good works follow salvation and do not precede it. (Ephesians 2:5-10) Believers are created in Christ Jesus unto good works and not the other way around.

To be saved by a workless faith, is claiming we are saved by a faith that is not justified not perfect, not living, but completely dead as a human corpse without a soul.

Faith that saves trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and works "follow" saving faith in Christ. Dead faith produces no works. James is simply calling out those who merely claim to have faith, but have no works to validate their claim.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because, dear friend, doing these things maintain the sanctification you obtained when you were born again.

“That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;” (1 Thessalonians 4:4)

Where does 1 Thessalonians 4:4 say it is the same sanctification as 1 Corinthians 6:11? I don’t see it that way when I read 1 Thessalonians 4:4. It sounds like a different sanctification because it is attached to holy action in the present moment. The sanctification in 1 Corinthians 6:11 is different because it is describing a different form of sanctification. It’s a kind of sanctification whereby the Spirit changes our heart. The sanctification in living a holy life is a different form of sanctification because it requires our obedience over the whole course of our life.

John 17:17
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Ephesians 5:25-27 says,

25 "...even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."

To sanctify a believer over a period of time can be referred to as sanctification.
For example: If I miscommunicated certain words by accident to a person, that would be called a miscommunication. If I investigated the truth on a particular matter, it could be called an investigation.

John 17:19
"And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth."

"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit...". (1 Peter 1:22) (cf. Romans 8:13).

"Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word." (Psalms 119:9).

"Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you." (John 15:3).

 

[Ezra]

The sanctification in 1 Corinthians 6:11 is different because it is describing a different form of sanctification.

WRONG WRONG WRONG to be sanctified sanctify is set apart to become holy which is a work in progress .it is not different

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I read the entire chapter. Pay close attention to the parable of the weeds among the wheat. Matthew 13:24 - Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field." 25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and left. 26 And when the wheat sprouted and produced grain, then the weeds also became evident. 27 And the slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No; while you are gathering up the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and at the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.” *Note the distinction.

The weeds are the sons of the evil one and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age. This is when Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on earth and removes the weeds/the unrighteous. (vs. 41-42) Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. (vs. 43) There are weeds among the wheat, yet at the end of the age, they will be separated.

Right, I am not disagreeing that they are wicked (weeds) or they don’t really know Christ. They are false believers among the genuine believers. They profess to know Jesus, and they may even preach the gospel, help the poor, etcetera, but yet if they do iniquity, they will be shown to be false at the Judgment, and they will be cast out of Christ’s Kingdom. Right now they are in Christ’s Kingdom in a nominal sense in that they appear to be in His kingdom by Christ like things they are doing, but they will be proven to be false in the end and they will be cast out because they justified sin. OSAS justifies sin. That’s what the doctrine ultimately leads to doing. It teaches one does not lose salvation by sin because one’s future sin is paid for. Most OSAS folk I talk with do not believe they can stop doing iniquity this side of Heaven. So at the judgment, they will have a great sense of regret when they realized that they did not heed the warning in Matthew 13:41-42. It may sound harsh to say this, but it is simply what I believe will happen beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Many are called, few are chosen.

 

[ScottA]

I don’t believe it is a straw man. Listen to the contradictory message given to us by “Got Questions.” They say, I quote:

“Yes, a true Christian who falls back into sin is still saved, but at the same time a person who lives a life controlled by sin is not truly a Christian.”​

Source:
Is a backsliding Christian still saved? | GotQuestions.org

This is not the first contradictory statements I heard by OSAS Proponents. They says dumb things like this all the time and it makes them seem like they have split personalities. They appear to be for holy living, and yet on the other hand they also believe they can sin and still be saved at other times.

Here is another statement by OnceSavedAlwaysSaved.org:

“But the summer before my senior year of high school, my affections began to change. My heart grew cold toward Jesus and His church. When I graduated from youth group, I left church too. A private detective couldn’t have located my Bible. I began to go places no Christian should. I hung with people whose rebellion didn’t trouble their consciences—I had friends in low places.”

“But what happened? Did I lose my salvation during my late teenage years, only to regain it as a young adult? Some might think so, but I don’t. Scripture is clear that nothing can pluck a genuine believer from the hand of God (John 10:27-29)—not sin, not death, not Twisted Sister.”​

Source:
Can a Genuine Christian Backslide? - ETERNAL SECURITY (OSAS)

Lets understand something here. If a believer thinks they can backslide and be saved, then they surely can think they can commit other certain sins on occasion and be saved. Hence, it is not a straw man to say that OSAS teaches a license to sin on a certain level. Yes, there are OSAS groups that think you should never live holy and to even try is works righteousness, but at least they are being consistent with OSAS (even though they are justifying sin wrongfully).

Let me give you an example: Is a Christian saved if they looked upon a woman in lust, and they got hit by a bus and died instantly before they had a chance to confess of their sin?

If you say… “yes” that would be justifying sin because the Christian did not express remorse yet over that sin to the Lord in this life by faith in order for that sin to be forgiven according to 1 John 1:9.




Sorry, I don’t hold to OSAS. You do. That’s why I asked you these questions. Seeing you don’t have an answer with Scripture, it should show you that OSAS is not biblical.



Again, Catholics believe in the Trinity, it does not invalidate such a teaching just because they happen to believe in that truth described in the Bible. The apostle John himself says there is a sin that does not lead unto death (1 John 5:16-17). The question is: Why don’t you believe him? Jesus basically said there are sins that lead to punishment in earthly courts, and yet there is a related sin that leads to hellfire.

Matthew 5:22 (AMP)
“But I say to you that everyone who continues to be angry with his brother orharbors malice against him shall be guilty before the court; and whoever speaks [contemptuously and insultingly] to his brother, ‘Raca (You empty-headed idiot)!’ shall be guilty before the supreme court (Sanhedrin); and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of the fiery hell.”



There is no such label or condemnation of such a thing described in the Bible. That is merely your thinking here.



I think a person can look at the words “holier than thou” in a bad way or a good way. Of course, one can be proud and not be humble and they can boast in their holy living and be smug about it. Not sure how I have done that here. Not all Conditional Salvationists are the same or neither are all Conditional Salvationists walking with the Lord with their heart right with GOD. That does not invalidate the teaching of Conditional Salvation in the Bible. I imagine some Conditional Salvationists may boast in their righteousness, but the believers who are truly genuine with the Lord and walking holy will be humble and not do such a thing.

If a believer who is humble and living holy and not boasting of their righteousness (Because they cannot because all good they do is by the power of the Lord working in them), and they are among believers who are struggling with sin, they are technically living more holy than the believers who are not walking correctly yet. So they are holier than these others believers (Meaning they are technically “holier than thou” but they would never say that to others). They would rejoice in the Lord and be humble and serve by example and not Lord over the flock.

Such arguments are only misunderstandings--on their part, but also on yours.

This is indeed a difficult matter to justify against a great deal of scripture, or even against one's conscience or Christian logic. But it is a mystery not unlike God allowing Joseph's brothers to sell him into slavery--and the explanation is the same: God indeed allows such things because His "strength is made perfect in weakness." In the case of Joseph's brothers, what was meant for evil, God meant for good. This is the biblical precedence.

In the case of Christians since the coming of the Holy Spirit, the precedence is the same--but the accusations against it are not at all biblical, as it is not even they who live, but Christ who lives in them.

So then, the mystery of this unique phenomenon only occurring during this church age--is not at all what it appears. But rather, it is the body of Christ in the role which Paul expressed as "for me, to live is Christ." In other words, those who's sins Christ died for, join in His suffering after the fact--after salvation, and yet their endurance "until the end" was fulfilled when they laid down their life by giving it over to Christ who then lives on in them. Which they do ordained by God to serve as if beyond the grave--many of whom fail as the world sees failure, just as Christ also attained victory by failure in death. Who's sins are then paid in full after the fact, for the sake of Christ, who chose not to take them when they laid down their life.

All of which means these accusations are actually against Christ...for which there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Such arguments are only misunderstandings--on their part, but also on yours.

This is indeed a difficult matter to justify against a great deal of scripture, or even against one's conscience or Christian logic. But it is a mystery not unlike God allowing Joseph's brothers to sell him into slavery--and the explanation is the same: God indeed allows such things because His "strength is made perfect in weakness." In the case of Joseph's brothers, what was meant for evil, God meant for good. This is the biblical precedence.

In the case of Christians since the coming of the Holy Spirit, the precedence is the same--but the accusations against it are not at all biblical, as it is not even they who live, but Christ who lives in them. So then, the mystery of this unique phenomenon only occurring during this church age--is not at all what it appears. But rather, it is the body of Christ in the role which Paul expressed as "for me, to live is Christ." In other words, those who's sins Christ died for, join in His suffering after the fact--after salvation, and yet their endurance "until the end" was fulfilled when they laid down their life by giving it over to Christ who then lives on in them. Which they do ordained by God to serve as if beyond the grave--many of whom fail as the world sees failure, just as Christ also attained victory by failure in death. Who's sins are then paid in full after the fact, for the sake of Christ, who chose not to take them when they laid down their life.

All of which means these accusations are actually against Christ...for which there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

More Scripture and less opinion. I really do not get into fanciful thoughts that is not based on what the Bible says.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Unless you believe OSAS is a life of sinless perfection, or in overcoming sin that leads unto death, it is a form of justifying sin.
Most I talk with do not believe this though. They think that 1 John 1:8 is a justification that they will always sin this side of heaven when the Bible does not teach that the saints are enslaved to their sinful nature and yet they are still saved. This is the heart of the issue we are dealing with here. Most take OSAS as meaning they can abide in some kind of sin and yet they are still saved. Others will keep throwing up that this is a straw man but it’s not. Many will say that backslidden Christians are saved. Many will say that you cannot lose salvation by sin.

 

[ScottA]

More Scripture and less opinion. I really do not get into fanciful thoughts that is not based on what the Bible says.

I gave no opinion. It was all scripture...and if you knew them, you would know already by hearing.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Also, I would rather be overly cautious with my soul and not cavalier with it thinking God will protect me if I sin.
Matthew 5:28-30 does not sound like Once Saved Always Saved. Neither does Galatians 5:19-21 sound like OSAS. If these verses were talking only to unbelievers, then why didn’t Paul clarify that point?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I gave no opinion. It was all scripture...and if you knew them, you would know already by hearing.

I caught the live is Christ to die is gain reference in God’s Word but it was taken out of context to the rest of what you said.
Please provide all verse references to back up what you are saying. Don’t do it to help me, do it to help another. For are you here to hold all the cards and not let anyone know the truth in God’s Word?