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Yet you refuse to name your "true church"
Easy for you to say, since you have no bishops, priests or deacons. Yes, Catholics and Protestants are all wrong, except you.
You won't name any Catholic leader who formally taught untruths.
Again, you refuse to name where we should go.
Truth cannot be contaminated by sinful leaders.
More verbal diarrhea with no evidence.
Not very bright, are we?
First of all - he was a Catholic.
There have been Protestant forces of persecution as well - or were you unaware of this in the depths of your ignorance?
And that’s where you are not only WRONG – but have illustrated your complete faithlessness in Christ.
You mean the SAME John Wycliffe who venerated Nary as a chief intercessor? Gee – why don’t his ecclesial descendants do the same?
Not only that, why would anti-Catholics applaud a guy who enforced strict poverty on his clergy? Wycliffe fans won't face that either.
It's strange that the reformers termed "sola scriptura", a LATIN phrase. Maybe they used LATIN so no one could understand it.
Luther's German translation came out in 1520 and before his Bible appeared there were
He was one of the Church of God that we see in Scripture.
Fascinating. I know of this history. Your teachers however had it a little wrong. Whitby, run by a devout woman named Hilda, was the product of the Celtic church, not the Catholic Church. Hilda, along with her spiritual forbears such as Columba, Aiden, and even Patrick, would have nothing to do with papal supremacy and any claimed authority over the spiritual consciences of others. The scriptures had been faithfully copied into the indigenous languages of numerous nations, including England, before Caedmon. What he did that was different, was to put the truths of scripture into music. While Aiden and others preached the gospel, Caedmon sang it.
The war on marriage has been going on for centuries. It can be traced all the way to John Wycliff who said that those who copulated with others for material gain or to simply gratify their sexual desires, were having intercourse as actual married people:
The devil works in increments, not entireties. He first begins with changing words, just as Wycliffe did. Homosexual marriage is only the attack on marriage showing a huge portion of its full manifestation, but its embryonic stage has Wycliffe as one of its pioneers. Wycliffe did not follow God, but the serpent in the garden, for he said:
He also affirmed that no one is under the obligation not to commit mortal sin, since the action was predestined and thus out of the person’s control; moreover, the person is also led by the Holy Spirit to commit mortal sin, and by extension, that person was chosen by God before his birth to be damned to hell:
Like the social gospel heretics of today, Wycliffe taught that church leaders should not own any property,
He believed that the people should have the right to steal money from a parish if their priest ever sinned:
His extreme hatred against monasticism was so severe that Wycliffe exclaimed that whoever “gives alms to friars is thereby excommunicated. … Saints who have founded religious orders have sinned in so doing. Members of religious orders are not members of the Christian religion. …All religious orders alike were introduced by the devil.” (7)
If he was Marianized, why did your apostate papacy exhume and burn his bones?
What is interesting to point out, is that Surah 9 (the passage just quoted), is used so frequently by people who want to expose Islam as violent, but what non of them ever mention, is that Surah 9 is an attack against the Catholic priesthood, and calling for open violence against it.
I am sure all of the people who are against “big government” would have a huge problem with this.
Heresies remain in the hearts of the people for generations, but the teachings of the Church Fathers are forgotten like pedals dissipate through the transient winds.
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Just an observation... It seems your Pope Francis has very similar socialist elements to his philosophy, except Francis is somewhat more ambitious in seeking a global socialist state.This hatred of the monastics as greedy and deceptive, was also shared by Muhammad when he called for violence against Catholic monks, and the Christians who followed them; and he saw the Christians giving more adoration toward their monks and priests than to God and Christ:
What is interesting to point out, is that Surah 9 (the passage just quoted), is used so frequently by people who want to expose Islam as violent, but what non of them ever mention, is that Surah 9 is an attack against the Catholic priesthood, and calling for open violence against it.
Protestants who admire Wycliffe, and who at the same time reference Augustine, should have a difficult time in doing so, since Wycliffe declared Augustine to be a damned heretics simply for the reason that he owned property and was a monastic:
“Augustine, Benedict and Bernard are damned, unless they repented of having owned property and of having founded and entered religious orders; and thus they are all heretics from the pope down to the lowest religious.” (8)
And like the socialists of Russia and Mexico, Wycliffe wrote in the university of Oxford, a thousand page treatise calling for the confiscation of church property. He believed in state persecution against Catholic parishes, in that the government should have the power to, at will, confiscate the property of the Church. He even went so far as to say that a governor who does not seize the property of the Church will be burn in eternal hellfire:
I am sure all of the people who are against “big government” would have a huge problem with this.
He insisted that the state should seize the property of the Church if the prelates are living in habitual sin. Such is the language of tyrants; for the state, greedy for the people’s money, could easily accuse any priest or bishop of sin as a pretext to stealing his possessions.
Wycliffe’s insistence on the state confiscating church property is reminiscent to what the violent rebels of the French Revolution subscribed to, and when they unleashed their infamous Reign of Terror on France, this is exactly what they did, and they did not hesitate to use seemingly moral reasons in their rapine. They saw the Church as greedy and a tyrannical, and they expressed such sentiments when they massacred Catholics for protecting their priests. His teachings would eventually lead to the sort of violence witnessed in 18th century France.
In 1381 a mob, influenced by Wycliffe and led by Wat Tyler, marched to London where they seized Simon of Sudbury, archbishop of Canterbury, dragged him out of his chapel and like Muslims decapitated him. King Richard II with two hundred guards confronted Tyler. The criminal spat at the king’s feet, and in accordance with Wyclif’s teachings, demanded that the state confiscate all church lands and proscribe all dioceses but one. He resisted arrest, then one of the king’s men slew him with a sword and that ended the revolt.
In 1382, Nicholas Hereford, a disciple of Wycliffe and a partner in the Wyclif Bible, preached a sermon in 1382 at St. Fridewide’s Church in Oxford declaring that Simon of Sudbury was “justly slain” by the mob. (10) He believed this because Simon dared to question ‘the infallible Wycliffe,’ as we are told by the historian, Anthony A. Wood:
Heresies remain in the hearts of the people for generations, but the teachings of the Church Fathers are forgotten like pedals dissipate through the transient winds.
John Wycliffe Was An Evil Heretic (JOHN WYCLIFFE EXPOSED) - Walid Shoebat
By Theodore Shoebat It has been for centuries touted that John Wycliffe was some great hero, “the morning star of the Reformation,” as they praise him. They adulate and adore him as a type of opponent against Church despotism, and yet what they fail to realize is that he himself was a promoter...
Is not hatred, despite the accusation by some as being greedy and deceptive to be accurate.
Thanks for the guffaws.This hatred of the monastics as greedy and deceptive, was also shared by Muhammad when he called for violence against Catholic monks, and the Christians who followed them; and he saw the Christians giving more adoration toward their monks and priests than to God and Christ:
What is interesting to point out, is that Surah 9 (the passage just quoted), is used so frequently by people who want to expose Islam as violent, but what non of them ever mention, is that Surah 9 is an attack against the Catholic priesthood, and calling for open violence against it.
Protestants who admire Wycliffe, and who at the same time reference Augustine, should have a difficult time in doing so, since Wycliffe declared Augustine to be a damned heretics simply for the reason that he owned property and was a monastic:
“Augustine, Benedict and Bernard are damned, unless they repented of having owned property and of having founded and entered religious orders; and thus they are all heretics from the pope down to the lowest religious.” (8)
And like the socialists of Russia and Mexico, Wycliffe wrote in the university of Oxford, a thousand page treatise calling for the confiscation of church property. He believed in state persecution against Catholic parishes, in that the government should have the power to, at will, confiscate the property of the Church. He even went so far as to say that a governor who does not seize the property of the Church will be burn in eternal hellfire:
I am sure all of the people who are against “big government” would have a huge problem with this.
He insisted that the state should seize the property of the Church if the prelates are living in habitual sin. Such is the language of tyrants; for the state, greedy for the people’s money, could easily accuse any priest or bishop of sin as a pretext to stealing his possessions.
Wycliffe’s insistence on the state confiscating church property is reminiscent to what the violent rebels of the French Revolution subscribed to, and when they unleashed their infamous Reign of Terror on France, this is exactly what they did, and they did not hesitate to use seemingly moral reasons in their rapine. They saw the Church as greedy and a tyrannical, and they expressed such sentiments when they massacred Catholics for protecting their priests. His teachings would eventually lead to the sort of violence witnessed in 18th century France.
In 1381 a mob, influenced by Wycliffe and led by Wat Tyler, marched to London where they seized Simon of Sudbury, archbishop of Canterbury, dragged him out of his chapel and like Muslims decapitated him. King Richard II with two hundred guards confronted Tyler. The criminal spat at the king’s feet, and in accordance with Wyclif’s teachings, demanded that the state confiscate all church lands and proscribe all dioceses but one. He resisted arrest, then one of the king’s men slew him with a sword and that ended the revolt.
In 1382, Nicholas Hereford, a disciple of Wycliffe and a partner in the Wyclif Bible, preached a sermon in 1382 at St. Fridewide’s Church in Oxford declaring that Simon of Sudbury was “justly slain” by the mob. (10) He believed this because Simon dared to question ‘the infallible Wycliffe,’ as we are told by the historian, Anthony A. Wood:
Heresies remain in the hearts of the people for generations, but the teachings of the Church Fathers are forgotten like pedals dissipate through the transient winds.
John Wycliffe Was An Evil Heretic (JOHN WYCLIFFE EXPOSED) - Walid Shoebat
By Theodore Shoebat It has been for centuries touted that John Wycliffe was some great hero, “the morning star of the Reformation,” as they praise him. They adulate and adore him as a type of opponent against Church despotism, and yet what they fail to realize is that he himself was a promoter...
VERY informatinve, brother.Not only that, why would anti-Catholics applaud a guy who enforced strict poverty on his clergy? Wycliffe fans won't face that either.
It's strange that the reformers termed "sola scriptura", a LATIN phrase. Maybe they used LATIN so no one could understand it.
Luther's German translation came out in 1520 and before his Bible appeared there were
In all, 626 editions of the Bible with 198 in the language of the laity, had been edited before the first Protestant Bible was sent forth into the world. With all this evidence why should there be those intellectuals who declare that the Church despised the Bible? This testimony shows that the Church fought to preserve it, translate it, and multiply it. She saved it from utter destruction at the hands of infidels; she saved it from total extinction by guarding it as the greatest treasure of all ages.
- exactly 104 editions of the Bible in Latin;
- there were 9 before the birth of Luther in the German language,
- and there were 27 in German before the Lutheran Bible appeared.
- Before the Protestant Bible appeared there were already in Italy more than 40 editions and 25 of these were in the Italian language with the express permission of Rome.
- In France there were 18 editions before 1547.
- Spain began her editions in 1478.
source
Wgick destroys your entire point that the Pope "commmorated" the Protestant Revolt.
Thanks for the laugh . . .
