Im afraid you dont understand them words, like world, all, everyone. Try doing a study to find out how the Spirit used them
Limited atonement !
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If anyone is bending, its you.It seems you really have to bend way backwards as you jump through many hoops to make this doctrine fit. No logic at all IMHO. But, thanks for the reply!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Romans 5
King James Version
5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The Enduring Word
(Isaiah 40:6–8)
22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.24For,
“All flesh is like grass,
and all its glory like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f
And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.
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ScottA
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It is important to understand that although Christ died (paid the debt) for the sin of "all", that "all" do not answer the call. He does indeed knock on every door--just as the rain falls and the sun shines upon all, and the heavens declare His glory to all--but "all" do not let Him in.
It is also true that "all" are also raised up, but [only] "some to eternal life, and some to eternal condemnation."
I've studied this many years my friend! Context is king, as they say.
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved.
Come unto Me, all ye who are weary, and heavily burdened, and I will give you rest.
If these are not in fact for all - all who are weary, whosoever believes - that makes God into a liar. God is not a man that He should lie.
Jesus didn't just say, I tell the truth, He said, "I am the truth". God is not disengenuous, so that He would say one thing, but secretly mean something different. That's something men do.
Much love!
ScottA
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If you reject what I have quoted--it is you who are "false witnessing." And if I do so by the Holy Spirit, it is not forgivable.
I think you are seeing me through biased eyes.
At the end of the day, after all the study is exhausted, and I've reached my conclusions from Scripture, and you've reached your, and we both think the other has it wrong, it comes down to simple truth that is simple to apprehend. Let God be true and every man a liar.
2 Corinthians 5:18-20 KJV
18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
To whom is God beseeching through His apostle? You. The hearer. The reader, whomever they may be.
Let God be true, and every man a liar. His urging is true, and not limited, excluding some from His invitation. That would make Him false. "I am the way, the truth, and the life." God is not false. It's not, "some of you be reconciled to God", just, "you be reconciled to God".
Much love!
Yes and thank you @ScottA , this is exactly what I believe. Reformed folk do not. They believe God arbitrarily chooses, before the foundation of the world whom He has already chosen (foreknown) I believe in foreknowledge as He sees the beginning from the end.
Hey You!
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Any limitation in the Atonement, has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ; because the Gospel's promise is for All...
One of the most amazing truths to me, that all people are already reconciled to God! That there remains no impediment for anyone to receive Christ and be made alive.
Much love!
The truth of limited atonement is vital to the Christian Gospel, there's no Gospel without it.
@marks
This pertains to the elect, those whom God chose and called 1 Cor 1:26-28
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
This pertains to the elect, those whom God chose and called 1 Cor 1:26-28
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
What I'm seeing here is that you think one passage negates the plain reading of another. Where will it end?
Much love!
ScottA
Well-Known Member
You are false JUDGING. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Hey You!
Member
All are not reconciled to God. Reconciliation is on through Faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord God, and Savior from their Sin and Sin's consequences...
Reconciliation ~ by ReverendRV * August 29
2nd Corinthians 5:18 KJV; And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
When we think about Reconciliation today, we think of bad Marriages. There is only one verse in the Bible about reconciling your Marriage; ‘If she does leave him, let her remain single or else be reconciled to him. And the husband mustn’t leave his wife’. When it comes to something as important as Marriage, all we really need is one verse; right? But the Bible uses the word ‘Reconcile’ and its many derivatives often when it comes to our relationship with God; that must be even more important; and we mess that up even worse. The perfect Couple messed up their relationship with God, before they ever messed up their relationship with one another and with the lives of their children. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil; this caused God to want a Separation…
The Hebrew word in the Bible for Death means Separation from God. ~ Have you perfectly honored your parents? If they have ever had to spank you or put you on restriction, then it’s safe to say you haven’t. When this happened to you, were you eventually reconciled with that parent? You paid for your sin with a temporary punishment. But after King David had Uriah killed, he told God that “Against you alone have I Sinned”. Our Sins are often twofold, against God and Man; but when you Sin against someone who is Eternal, your punishment is eternal. ~ This was just one of the Ten Commandments, do we need more? I shouldn’t have to even ask you if you’ve Lied or Stolen, right? Stealing is against God and Man too, God owns the cattle on a thousand hills; this means you steal from God too. If He judges you by his standard, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Does this bother you even a little?
You need to be reconciled with God. ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born to the Virgin Mary, so he could bypass the Sin of our father Adam. He accrued a good record of Righteousness by never Sinning in his entire life; he must have been God to do that! He came to the world to die for the World, so Believers can be forgiven and cleansed to the point they can go to Heaven without leaving even one smudge when they get there. Jesus shed his blood on the Cross to take our punishment for what we did; and it killed him. But he arose from the grave to new Life and ascended to Heaven where he waits for God his Father to send him to usher the Living and the Dead home with him. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, without our trying to earn our Reconciliation. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; and find a Church that teaches the Bible; and has a Ministry of Reconciliation which goes looking for the Lost…
2nd Corinthians 5:19 KJV; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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Hey You!
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That's not true BF52. Limited Atonement is not Good News, and can't belong to THE Good News...
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