Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
Free will is not even hinted at in the historical review of romans 1.cripture never indicates that man lost his free will. Free will to serve God. Rom 1:18-24 alludes to the same thing. Man actually needs to make an effort to actually deny the knowledge of God. We also have many who were called righteous in the OT. They are not righteous because God forced them to become righteous, but by their own free will. The Holy Spirit was working in the age before Christ, though not inward, but upon those of the OT. The fact that Mary, was righteous and choose to accept that she would bear Christ.
Making blanket statements such as you did negates the rest of scripture to the contrary. The fact is man chooses to be slaves to sin or to righteousness.
But I will simply post one verse that shows conclusively that an unsaved man cannot choose God of his own will.
Romans 8:6-8
King James Version
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
In our natural state, man cannot please God. PERIOD! Choosing to get saved pleases God- ergo a man in his natural fallen state cannot choose to be saved!
The saved man has his free will restored to him. Only a saved person can choose ot obey or disobey God. As scripture says there is no good in our human nature, it is all filthy rags, we cannot even perceive the things of god.
How is that free will.
Yes protestantism has its faults. The RC and Eastern churches before the reformation left the original gospels long ago. when one teaches that a person can lose their salvation- they are now teaching another gospel, and have lost even the basic understanding of what Jesus accomplished on the Cross.Yes, all false teachings are based on scripture. The west under the RC didn't accept the false teachings of Augustine until Anselm in the 11th century when he embodied both the concept of Original Sin and developed the Satisfaction theory of atonement.
Actually the Church had false teaching described by Paul by Hymenaeus and Philetus. As well as teachings ascribed to men like Apollo.
However, when false teachers/teachings occured and they impacted the faithful, a Council, like the one described in
Acts 15 would be called to determine the correct meaning of scripture. In other words they followed the teachings of the Holy Spirit/Paul as in I Tim 3:15.
Protestantism when even further astray than the RC. They adopted some the false teachings of the RC, then man every man his own interpreter of scripture which gave birth to hundreds of denominations who all differ between themselves on some point. Hardly the original gospel, once given and preserved within the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. They have been debating the merits for 500 years so far. Do you think they might come together in any shape or form?
I notice you loveto generalize your accusations. Care to put some meat on your skeletal accusations?
Saying he teaches Christ became human means nothing when the theology he espouses denies the Incarnation. His doctrines of predestination, and election, and limited atonement are direct denials of the efficaciousness of the Incarnation. You even denied it with your total misunderstanding of the fall in relation to Christ correcting that fall, I Cor 15:20-22. The statement you made about the fall also is incorrect based on scripture. If that is what Calvin believed, then I understand his total misunderstanding of the Incarnation. It seems to be just incidental.
And all this blather is just opinion. Care top back up your allegation with Scriptural facts?
Yes there has always been those angels of light. but I am referring to actual strong and pervasive pushes of false doctrine that starting taking large sway over the church. Some of the more notables were Arius and origen.Yes, all false teachings are based on scripture. The west under the RC didn't accept the false teachings of Augustine until Anselm in the 11th century when he embodied both the concept of Original Sin and developed the Satisfaction theory of atonement.
Actually the Church had false teaching described by Paul by Hymenaeus and Philetus. As well as teachings ascribed to men like Apollo.
However, when false teachers/teachings occured and they impacted the faithful, a Council, like the one described in
Acts 15 would be called to determine the correct meaning of scripture. In other words they followed the teachings of the Holy Spirit/Paul as in I Tim 3:15.
Protestantism when even further astray than the RC. They adopted some the false teachings of the RC, then man every man his own interpreter of scripture which gave birth to hundreds of denominations who all differ between themselves on some point. Hardly the original gospel, once given and preserved within the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. They have been debating the merits for 500 years so far. Do you think they might come together in any shape or form?
In order to deny Jesus one must have the right knowledge of Jesus! Around half the eartths population has no knowledge of the Biblical Jesus . Never heard teh gospel nor HIs name once!You have confirmed what I stated. Most men chose to deny the knowledge of God and went their own way. Flood destroyed them and then by the time of Abraham a different dispensation was needed. Even the Isrealites forgot God with even more divine intervention.
And we come to the current state and most are again denying Christ.