Limited atonement is a false gospel

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Amen..just as his written word confirms...only the Living Spirit can guide us into all truth....

John 16:13However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come
The debate is circular.

The truth is BOTH ARE TRUE.
We are both elected and choose Him.
It is vividly illustrated in the Jewish wedding .

Look at it this way.
Billions of people.
God visits them through supernatural circumstances.
They choose him.
Some do not.
But he died for every single one.
 

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The Spirit Guide sent to live in us does exactly that, He leads us into all truth
Here is more on how he leads us...Praise God..
We are his children, as we are Born Again..in the world not of the world....we are in the spiritual realm, the moment our spirit became Born Again.

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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We are both elected and choose Him.

Actually God predestined all He knew would be born to be conformed to the Image of Jesus

Romans 8:29,30 - For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (In other words He has provided salvation for all)

NOTE - Romans 8:29,30 is not saying all are automatically saved which would be the false doctrine of universalism, but rather is teaching us that God has in fact provided opportunity for all to be saved which is evident in other scripture references such as Titus 2:11-12, 1 John 2:2, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:1-4
 
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A Born Again can never be un- birthed from the Spirit...they are on that narrow path,because they were chosen by God and predestined to become his child and belong to Jesus... of course we have to walk that path and through walking that path, the Living Spirit who indwell s our spirit, teaches us to stay on that path...of course we can step off the path of life and walk in self, but, God has his children in the palm of his hand ...he will always get us back on that narrow path, because we are his spirit children.we belong to Jesus we are his 100% ..he owns us and we were brought for a price, which was the death and resurrection of Jesus.

If the Father has given those from him to the Son, he will never lose one...Praise God...we are being conformed to become more and more like Jesus from the Living Spirit who indwells our spirit.

NONE CAN EVER PLUCK US OUT OF JESUS HANDS.

John 10:28-30​

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28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one
 
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A Born Again can never be un- birthed from the Spirit...

They can in fact become corrupt by turning away from the Lord and walking after the flesh

Galatians 6:7-8 - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Sadly some people mock God claiming if one sows to the flesh they do not reap corruption which is why so many believe they can live in sin and still be saved which is exactly what the devil was trying to trick them to believe and do.
 

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The Holy Spirit is not a spirit guide. He is the Lord God Almighty. And it is mis-guided to use that language and mis-represent Him.

No, I'm not ok with that. Are you saying truth is relative and subjective? God calls it the plumbline, and men rejoiced when they saw it.....because love rejoices in the truth.
Amen, sister! The term "spirit guide" is birthed out of the occult. No wonder there is such deception here.
 
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We always grow into Greater Revelation on the Atonement. Which gives Greater Life in Spiritual Growth. God's thoughts on the "Atonement" is like the sand on the seashore. Here is a Brother speaking on it.


 
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A Born Again can never turn away from the Lord, because God gave us to Jesus, we may step off that narrow path, but, God will always get us back on that narrow path....we are in Jesus 100% and we can never be corrupted...not in a million years...we are Born Again of imperishable seed...

If God gives us to Jesus , I repeat if God gives us to Jesus, no one can snatch them out of his hand...that comes by the Living testimony of the Spirit plus the word confirms what the Living Spirit testifies to our heart..in Jesus Name..Amen!.

NONE CAN EVER PLUCK US OUT OF JESUS HANDS.

John 10:28-30​

King James Version​

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one
 
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Can you make sure you tag the right person, I don’t listen to spirit guides, not aware I have added anything to this thread xx
Yes, ma'am. I fixed the post. My sincere apologies!
 
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They can in fact become corrupt by turning away from the Lord and walking after the flesh

Galatians 6:7-8 - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Sadly some people mock God claiming if one sows to the flesh they do not reap corruption which is why so many believe they can live in sin and still be saved which is exactly what the devil was trying to trick them to believe and do.
Amen. Strong meat belongeth to the mature. The whole sad story of Israel is a warning and admonition to the church.
 

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Actually the Creator will do what he SAID in His Word, otherwise He would be a liar.

Those that do not know it's impossible for God to lie always discount the importance of God's Word which makes them susceptible to deception.

It's easy for the devil to deceive those that don't put what God has said first place.
Just for the sake of clarification, when YOU use the term God's word, are you refering to what some people wrote down and has found its way into the bibles?

Is this what some people refer to it as the written word of God?
 

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Here is more on how he leads us...Praise God..
We are his children, as we are Born Again..in the world not of the world....we are in the spiritual realm, the moment our spirit became Born Again.

Romans 8​

King James Version​

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
He is amazing, isn't He. God within us. This is incredible. His Spirit communicating with our spirit. By design, we are perfectly compatible.
 
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Amen, sister! The term "spirit guide" is birthed out of the occult. No wonder there is such deception here.
So wording is that important? Great. The Spirit sent to guide us, according to Jusus, leads us unto all truth. Is He not a Spirit Guide.

The term came probably came from Jesus and occult use it as well.

Shall we not use the word Rainbow because of its use by the LGBTQ+ community?
 
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So wording is that important? Great. The Spirit sent to guide us, according to Jusus, leads us unto all truth. Is He not a Spirit Guide.

The term came probably came from Jesus and occult use it as well.

Shall we not use the word Rainbow because of its use by the LGBTQ+ community?
You won't find the term "spirit guide" in Scripture. You do, on the other hand, find rainbows mentioned in Scripture. Jesus didn't mention a spirit guide. He called Him the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth.
 
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A Born Again can never be un- birthed from the Spirit...they are on that narrow path,because they were chosen by God and predestined to become his child and belong to Jesus... of course we have to walk that path and through walking that path, the Living Spirit who indwell s our spirit, teaches us to stay on that path...of course we can step off the path of life and walk in self, but, God has his children in the palm of his hand ...he will always get us back on that narrow path, because we are his spirit children.we belong to Jesus we are his 100% ..he owns us and we were brought for a price, which was the death and resurrection of Jesus.

If the Father has given those from him to the Son, he will never lose one...Praise God...we are being conformed to become more and more like Jesus from the Living Spirit who indwells our spirit.

NONE CAN EVER PLUCK US OUT OF JESUS HANDS.

John 10:28-30​

King James Version​

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one
"Born again" necessitates a first death. When did one die and can they die more than once? Can they be born again a second, third, fourth time, etc, if the first birth wasn't sufficient?