Limited atonement is a false gospel

[amigo de christo]

Yes, as long as we understand that they were elect/chosen according to the foreknowledge of God. Not that He explicitly and wilfully rejected the rest of mankind, but that they are the ones who rejected the means to salvation.


Is it ok? I don't believe so. I want and pray to see and interpret things according to truth.

many now suckle from the teets of a love that has promised a lie .
As men desire to beleive so they shall believe , whether a lie or the truth .
But one is of GOD and the other is still in darkness and trapped in bondage .
He who maketh and loveth a lie IS IN BONDAGE
and has loved a lie that promises something that is not true yet makes them feel all is well .
Many now love and embrace a lie . and that lie will not save them but rather damn them as it giveth false hope
unto them and unto the world .
As for me , I am sticking to Biblical truth , TO THE ONE WHO DOES and can save .
AND i will not air condition damantion , nor sugar coat squat .
Rather we must point to the ONLY ONE who can save and giveth eternal life and let us always remember
HE is not , never was , never has been , or will be , the ministir of sin .
Man has done this sister . And many have loved to have this so . but it will mean their total destruction ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
NOW to the trenches and do beware , because men can twist things , as satan can twist things ,
make it seem true when it is A LIE . and many seem to love a lie . CHARITY rejoices IN TRUTH , NOT A LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

What do you mean by , to know the bible?

While i often remind all to learn that bible well
what i mean by they Can claim to KNOW the bible , AND YET DO NOT KNOW IT or ITS AUTHOR
is real simple .
Most men learned what bible they learned THROUGH THE DOCTRINES AND LENS OF MEN , OF MEN GONE WRONG i might add .
THEY loved to beleive lies and errors that men taught . SURE no man teaches all falsehoods
EVEN the MOST false can say truths , BUT THEY WILL TWIST IT , BELEIVE ME . MANY
can cliam many things , but it just dont make it true .
IF anyone desires to KNOW
if what they have heard is TRUE
I SUGGEST a heavy dose of staying in bible reading to learn , to grow and to CONFIRM all things men teach .
ITS NOT A SIN for one to read it for themselves . ITS NOT A SIN . ITS NOT DANGEROUS . THEY lied to us .
YES , you heard me right THEY LIED TO US .
MEN DID THIS and i will expose every last one of them and their doctrines .
AND I will continually by grace keep reminding all the sheep to STAY in that bible
To be refreshed , to be in prayer , to be always TESTING ALL who do speak .
But yes i still hear some cliaming they KNOW the bible well
ONLY when i examine their doctrine i see MEN ALL OVER IT . DENOMINTIONAL teachins ALL OVER IT .
and friend I SEE LOTS OF ERRORS . OH ITS BIBLE TIME ALL RIGHT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, he does teach that.

Yes you understand correctly. And "Limited" means some are chosen, and some are not chosen. If the ones God chooses to rebirth were predestined for Heaven from the foundation of the world, then the ones God does not choose were predestined to go to Hell before the foundation of the world.

Does that help you understand?

And do you understand why I fight against this doctrine?

I think he teaches that everyone is predetermined to either go to hell or Heaven..I don’t understand it
I CUT and copied this question rita left .
So allow me a quick reminder
IT was PREDETERMINED all right . THOSE WHO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST would have eternal life
and those who rejected HIM , HELLS MOST FIERCE FLAMES .
IT was PREDETERMINED all right . THAT JESUS WOULD BE THE SAVOIR OF THE WORLD
and those who beleived on HIM would be saved
and those who rejected him DAMNED .
JESUS was and is THE PROMISE that fullfill and fullfills ALL THE PROMISES OF GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF .
SO i suggest we keep it simple as did paul and silas .
YOU see when the jailor came up to them and asked them
SIRS what must i do to be saved
THEY DIDNT preach calvin , they didnt preach amil , premil
THEY didnt preach the RCC . THEY SIMPLY SAID ONE THING . AND VERY TRUE THIS IS . BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
ITS AS SIMPLE as THAT . and once one does , GET THEM IN THAT BIBLE TO LEARN and TO GROW WISE
through grace and faith in CHRIST for themselves , cause MEN have DECIEVED THIS ENTIRE GENERATION .

 

[soberxp]

Yeah, we don't need no stinkin' Bible...

Sigh. @Ritajanice, you're a dear, but any testimony your spirit may or may or may not be receiving is totally internal to you and not available to anybody else. We have no idea what you're hearing. I've seen too many arguments that go "The Holy Spirit told me this." "Well, the Holy Spirit told ME that." It might as well just be your "opinion/belief". How do we check it? We've tacitly agreed to use the scripture as our standard.

Otherwise, there's no point in having a discussion, and I should stick to prayer requests and the funny threads.

The Holy Spirit who helped me only told me peace and tranquility.

 

[amigo de christo]

Wanna know how simple it is .
Sirs what must i do to be saved . BELIEVE YE ON JESUS CHRIST
Sirs what must i do to be damned . REMAIN IN UNBELIEF .
NOW JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THE SON OF GOD , THE MESSIAH .
and what i say to one i say to all
RATHER THAN AIR CONDITIONING DAMNATIONS FIERCE FLAMES OF DESTRUCTOIN
TRY PREACHING JESUS THE CHRIST and THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
TO continue in HIM TO THE END FAITHFUL even unto death .
TO GET IN THE BIBLE To learn and to grow wise through faith in CHRIST for one self .
TRUTH saves
Lies grave .
CHOOSE YE THis day whom ye shal follow whether it be the dead doctrines of men , calvin , the rcc
and scores of others
OR JESUS CHRIST and to learn that bible for oneself .

 

[soberxp]

Poem 68:18
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Ephesians 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Can any of you explain what is the word of mean "thou hast led captivity captive"?

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary.

He paid the price to release people from captivity in sin, and to purchase them as his own slaves to righteousness. Thus "he led captivity captive".

 

[amigo de christo]

Poem 68:18
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Ephesians 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Can any of you explain what is the word of mean "thou hast led captivity captive"?

Man led his own self into captivity to the bondage of sin and of death .
JESUS can set a man free from THAT . OH , but he sure can .
What man cannot do and not only failed to do
but ever since the first man and first woman failed and led themselves RIGHT INTO the captivity
of sin and of death , I PROMISE JESUS OVERCAME , and OVERCAME HE who had the power over death , satan .
BUT to be made free , ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM or they gonna roast in damnation .
I know that sounds grave . BUT TRUE IT BE . ITS TIME WE PREACH THE ONLY HOPE , THE ONLY NAME
whereby one can be saved . JESUS THE CHRIST , THE FREER and LIBERATOR , THE SAVOIR OF MAN .
NOW to the trenches

 

[amigo de christo]

Short commentary.

He paid the price to release people from captivity in sin, and to purchase them as his own slaves to righteousness. Thus "he led captivity captive".

to the trenches

 

[amigo de christo]

Short commentary.

He paid the price to release people from captivity in sin, and to purchase them as his own slaves to righteousness. Thus "he led captivity captive".

The crucifixtion and THE RESURRECTION .
JESUS DID ALL that was necessary . And unto those who do beleive In HIM he gave power to become the sons of God .
Many still are in graves of death sister .
Crying we see but they are the blind leading the blind .

 

[amigo de christo]

Our sister from the northen lands of canada has arrived . TO THE TRENCHES SISTER .

 

[Lizbeth]

Poem 68:18
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Ephesians 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Can any of you explain what is the word of mean "thou hast led captivity captive"?

I believe He has bound captivity and now rules and reigns over it. How do you see it?

 

[soberxp]

I believe He has bound captivity and now rules and reigns over it. How do you see it?

He captured from his enemies those who had been captured and taken away by enemies.then bound and rules and reigns over them.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. What chance have they got but to believe ..... a lie.

Everyone's against them, Satan the deceiver, the world, their sinful desires and now God.

Thanks be to God He has an eternal purpose and plan.

You have this wrong. God sends them a strong delusion because they do not love the truth and have pleasure in unrighteousness. And this is in relation to the antichrist.

2Th 2:11 (KJV)
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

 

[Rockerduck]

Christ led captivity captive
What does it mean that Jesus led captivity captive and gave gifts to men (Ephesians 4:8)? | GotQuestions.org

 

[soberxp]

Christ led captivity captive
What does it mean that Jesus led captivity captive and gave gifts to men (Ephesians 4:8)? | GotQuestions.org

Have not all men been taken captive by the lies of the serpent?

 

[One 2 question]

Yes, as long as we understand that they were elect/chosen according to the foreknowledge of God. Not that He explicitly and wilfully rejected the rest of mankind, but that they are the ones who rejected the means to salvation.

The Creator, I believe, has the right to choose to do or not do whatever He so chooses.

We are just the fulfilment of His foreknowledge and what He preplanned.

We sure try to complicate things sometimes.

Is it ok? I don't believe so. I want and pray to see and interpret things according to truth.

The Spirit Guide sent to live in us does exactly that, He leads us into all truth. Just ask, seek and knock. If we ask Father He will give us understanding of truth.

But what He says to you may be different to what He says to me.

Are we OK with that? I certainly am.

 

[Lizbeth]

We sure try to complicate things sometimes.

Truth is not complicated, but we need the Holy Spirit to give us the light to see it by.

The Spirit Guide sent to live in us does exactly that, He leads us into all truth. Just ask, seek and knock. If we ask Father He will give us understanding of truth.

But what He says to you may be different to what He says to me.

Are we OK with that? I certainly am.

The Holy Spirit is not a spirit guide. He is the Lord God Almighty. And it is mis-guided to use that language and mis-represent Him.

No, I'm not ok with that. Are you saying truth is relative and subjective? God calls it the plumbline, and men rejoiced when they saw it.....because love rejoices in the truth.

Listen, I've seen this kind of casual, cavalier approach before, up close, and watched it lead to apostasy. It has it's roots in pride. Just like those in Corinthians who were taking pride in their self-righteous "tolerance" of gross sin in the church.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Spirit Guide sent to live in us does exactly that, He leads us into all truth

Amen..just as his written word confirms...only the Living Spirit can guide us into all truth....

John 16:13However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

 

[Dash RipRock]

The Creator, I believe, has the right to choose to do or not do whatever He so chooses.

Actually the Creator will do what he SAID in His Word, otherwise He would be a liar.

Those that do not know it's impossible for God to lie always discount the importance of God's Word which makes them susceptible to deception.

It's easy for the devil to deceive those that don't put what God has said first place.