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This was accomplished at the resurrection of Jesus Christ.(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
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This was accomplished at the resurrection of Jesus Christ.(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
Try telling that to the Billions of people that have physically died over the past 2,000 yearsThis was accomplished at the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Your Response Has Absolutely No Relationship To My Posted Claims And Scripture Below2 Corinthians 5:16-17 KJV
[16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Okay, you believe God is going to make your earthly meat suit immortal?Try telling that to the Billions of people that have physically died over the past 2,000 years
As the scripture clearly teaches, the mortal body will be "Changed" to immortal, at this point physical death is swallowed up in victory (Eternal Immortality)
1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Hi
Why does Jesus have to return if an afterlife ALREADY exists??
Jesus rule world means abortion ban, gay ban, etc
Today's world would riot
But that would mean abortion ban, so the world would never accept him
But Jesus is not allowed to "purge" because it violates the Ten Commandments?
That is what they are saying... that it's "invalid" and Jesus is not allowed to do a "purge" of all the goats/weeds (Like how bible says will be at the harvest and thrown into the furnace)
Good grief, every scripture you’ve referenced is pertaining to apostate Israel.Because not everyone gets to go. It sounds like you're not looking forward to it. Jesus' second coming that is. He told us that He was going to prepare a place for us, and that He would come back and take us to be where He is.
He is not of this world. The world hates us because we are His.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
I promise you Mike, I'm very sure that it's not going to be an issue at that point in time, when that time comes.. Woe to pregnant women, and nursing mothers in those days.
That is what they are saying?
That is what who are saying?
The goats?
The weeds?
Are they asking you if God can kill?
Breaking his own fifth commandment?
What about the Sodomites, and the Antediluvians?
What happened to the pregnant women, and their unborn, back in those days?
Even the Gadarene demons asked what have you to do with us Jesus, have you come to trouble us before the appointed time?
“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted.
“Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
At least the demons have the advantage of knowing what's coming. But can you imagine what it must have been like for a pregnant woman during the flood? Her husband might have strapped her to a cow, or a horse, trying to help her survive. Then the realization that she is not going to make it, none of them are.. The sinking realization that they are in a confrontation of the wrath of the living God. The agony that not only she is about to drown, but that her unborn child would never be born as well. For weeks she had been excited about it, looking forward to the day, experiencing her unborn child moving inside her body. That type of remorse very few people experience prior to that of the GWTJ. Even God's people in the WW2 gas chambers knew they would soon be with God. We will not grieve as others do who have no hope.
"Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple. Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city. While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, “Alas, Sovereign Lord! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?” He answered me, “The sin of the people of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land; the Lord does not see.’ So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done.”
What I would say to the Atheists, and the Satanists, is that when God kills, it's not the same as murder is between mankind. It's like when Jesus said not to fear those who can just kill the body, fear the One who can throw both the body and soul into hell fire. Fear also means respect, like when you see the 600 VOLTS sticker on an electrical box.
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Murders
On April 10, 1984, Ramirez murdered 9-year-old Chinese-American girl Mei Leung in the basement of the apartment building where he was living at the time, in the Tenderloin district of San Francisco. Leung was with her 8-year-old brother when she reportedly lost a $1 dollar bill and went to look for it, when Ramirez approached Leung and told the girl he knew where it was, and to follow him to the basement. The child agreed, and once they were in the basement, Ramirez beat, strangled, and raped Leung before stabbing her to death with a switchblade, and hanging her partially nude body from a pipe by her blouse.[24] This, Ramirez's first known killing, was not identified as being connected to his subsequent “Night Stalker” crime spree until 2009, when Ramirez's DNA was matched to a sample obtained at this crime scene.
Richard Ramirez - Wikipedia
When Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, meets the Lord at the White Throne judgment, and if God decides to throw him into the lake of fire, and he goes to his destruction, do you think that's the same as murder? I don't think so. This is all in God's department, beyond our pay-grade.. He can look down through the corridor of time and see what we will be doing 10,000 years from now. Richard probably wouldn't want to go with us anyway, he wouldn't be happy in a world where righteousness dwells.
When Jesus needs to, He can come back and resurrect all of His People from the beginning of time until now. He will shout, and we will hear. For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. Then He can also issue another command, a sharp sword from His mouth, that the remaining participants involved in Armageddon die. Just die. And they will do it. Because the game over light is flashing, the time has come for God to destroy, the destroyers of the Earth. And the land, even the Earth is defiled, and the land WILL vomit out it's inhabitants.
And He has the power to come back, after the thousand years are finished, to bring them all back to life again. And the dead will march across the broad plain of the earth, they will all get to meet with God, and understand why things are as they are. God is going to deal with, to erradicate, the problem of sin. Richard Ramirez will see the 9 year old girl that he raped, and tortured and killed as she stands safe in the Beloved City.
None of them will care about abortion anymore.
None of them will anymore be concerned about gay marriage.
Just weeping, and gnashing of teeth.
And a fearful expectation, a fearful thing, to fall into the hands of the living God.
"So I will not look on them with pity or spare them,
but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done.”
Leave room for it,
He will repay.
Peaceful Sabbath.
Good grief, every scripture you’ve referenced is pertaining to apostate Israel.
Speaking of abortion. Christ is coming to remove every soul from their bodies. If they like abortion which is what they do to babies, they should willingly have their soul removed, since it is God's body of creation to do with as God pleases.But that would mean abortion ban, so the world would never accept him
Hi @Naomi25 Someone said: The Christian does not look forward to death, but to heaven. (And we know that the Lamb is the light thererof...Revelation 21.)The Christian is not looking forward to an afterlife. Our hope is in resurrected life. In other words we don’t look for a ‘spiritual’ life after death. The bible teaches that at Christ’s return, he makes all things new. That includes us, but also the cosmos. We are to live on a new Earth, one with no more sin or death. It will be a very real, physical existence. That is what Christ’s comes back to do, and what we look for and hope for.
Well…I think it also might be okay to hope for Christ’s return!Hi @Naomi25 Someone said: The Christian does not look forward to death, but to heaven. (And we know that the Lamb is the light thererof...Revelation 21.)
While it is true that God's wrath is serious and for some is forever JESUS comes back for His church for eternal life. I don't think we need to dwell on the negative side of Christ's return rather than the positive side: the beginning of eternal life shortly afterwards.Revelation 22:v.10-14
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: (no more salvation, on the contrary, they are destined for eternal contempt.) and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I COME quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs(dogs? Isaiah 56:v.10-11), and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: (Daniel 12:v.10 - 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand)
Psalm 7:v.11-13: - 11 God Judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every Day(a Day=1.000 years). 12 If he turn not, he will whet His Sword; he hath bent His BOW, and made it ready. 13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His ARROWS against the persecutors.
1Peter 4:v.17 - 17 The time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
The time of the the END of ALL THINGS arrived, and simultaneously the ETERNAL chastisements. The manifestation of GOD's wrath and the punishments against the current Devil's world with its Power and Glory are underway, the chastisements will be for everlasting, without END, the chastisements will have no END from now on, the GOD's wrath is for ever. The Word is GOD.
When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End)
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
Your claim is "False"End of the flesh age (2nd world age) The Day of the Lord is the millennium 1000 years
Your claim is "False"
(The Day Of The Lord) is the (Last Day) of Earths Existence, (Dissolved) By The Lord's Fire In Final Judgement
2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End)
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Your claim is "False"That time of perdition [destruction] is after the Millennium age, and after the Great white throne judgment. Then will come the consuming fire. Hebrews 12:19 tells us that "Our God is a consuming fire." There will be no destroying of the earth by nuclear warfare, nor by greenhouse gasses or flood or any other man made causes. God is reserving the final judgment of this earth and mankind for His own judgment. Before that time can come, the events or prophecies that concern this earth will all have taken place, and that includes the "great apostasy", or falling away when the entire world will go whoring after Satan, the Antichrist.
II Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
That means one week is 7,000 years, and we are coming to the Sabbath of that week very shortly, which the common name for the next thousand years is the "Millennium age".
II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
This means that you can count on our Heavenly Father concerning His promises. God has much patience concerning His children. It isn't God's will that any soul should perish. God did not even intend for Satan to perish, as stated in Ezekiel 28, but that doesn't mean God will not bring about the perishing of souls; for it is up to the soul to choose. That is what our free will is all about.
II Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
"A thief in the night" is an figure of speech that means that Christ shall come at an unexpected time. In the English it sounds like a very scary time, but lets see what it says in the original text. The "elements" are not the elements that you think of, such as gold, iron, oxygen and so on, but they are the "evil rudiments" that go to make up the evil in this earth age. This includes the evil spirits, the fallen angels, and all the things and forms of idolatry that cause flesh man to sin. The time of this burning will be at God's appointed time, so this verse is addressed to all those things that go to offend our Heavenly Father.
When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On EarthII Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
This is in reference to the second heaven and earth age which we are living in now. This earth age will not be destroyed until God's time of judgment on the ungodly men of this earth has come to a close. That time of perdition [destruction] is after the Millennium age, and after the Great white throne judgment. Then will come the consuming fire. Hebrews 12:19 tells us that "Our God is a consuming fire." There will be no destroying of the earth by nuclear warfare, nor by greenhouse gasses or flood or any other man made causes. God is reserving the final judgment of this earth and mankind for His own judgment. Before that time can come, the events or prophecies that concern this earth will all have taken place, and that includes the "great apostasy", or falling away when the entire world will go whoring after Satan, the Antichrist.
II Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
That means one week is 7,000 years, and we are coming to the Sabbath of that week very shortly, which the common name for the next thousand years is the "Millennium age".
II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
This means that you can count on our Heavenly Father concerning His promises. God has much patience concerning His children. It isn't God's will that any soul should perish. God did not even intend for Satan to perish, as stated in Ezekiel 28, but that doesn't mean God will not bring about the perishing of souls; for it is up to the soul to choose. That is what our free will is all about.
II Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
"A thief in the night" is an figure of speech that means that Christ shall come at an unexpected time. In the English it sounds like a very scary time, but lets see what it says in the original text. The "elements" are not the elements that you think of, such as gold, iron, oxygen and so on, but they are the "evil rudiments" that go to make up the evil in this earth age. This includes the evil spirits, the fallen angels, and all the things and forms of idolatry that cause flesh man to sin. The time of this burning will be at God's appointed time, so this verse is addressed to all those things that go to offend our Heavenly Father.
As Is Clearly Shown In Post #36 Above, The Earth Is Dissolved By The Lords Fire In Judgement At His ReturnNews flash- it’s the end of the age, at His return.
The millennial reign after His return is very clear in scripture.
And that was taught by Barnabas and other early church fathers.
The Bible is not confused. It is people with fanciful notions, who think the dead remain conscious, who are wrong.This is a good question and as far as I know there’s a bit of confusion in the Bible.
On one section Jesus says that “even David hasn’t gone to heaven and sleeps where he is buried” but other sections of the Bible say that “when you die the soul goes to father”.
So it’s unsure as to what happens immediately after death.