Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

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WPM

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I disagree.

Please compare the following two passages.

Revelation 12:6-8 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she has a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

Heaven is a realm where everything is timeless and eternal, a sanctuary for divine beings and everlasting truths. In this vivid portrayal, John illustrates the moment when Michael triumphs over the Dragon, a fearsome embodiment of chaos and evil. Following this epic confrontation, a significant shift occurs: the Dragon is no longer granted existence within the celestial kingdom. Essentially, its essence is stripped of eternity, effectively banishing it from the sacred space of heaven.

Now Satan is temporal and not eternal, which is why he has a short time left.

Revelation 12:12 For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”

The woman who fled into the wilderness was Israel, who went into exile after the Jewish/Roman wars of 70 AD. According to John, at that time, Michael defeated the dragon and removed it from the heavenly realms. So he is now roaming the Earth today, knowing that he has only a short time.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I see your carefully left out this first. If it gets the time that it happened.

Who then is the “man child” who “was to rule all nations with a rod of iron,” and “was caught up unto God, and to his throne”?
 
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He came the first time into this corrupt world, and came back here when he resurrected even. Surely he comes back to this same world at the second coming, literally contained within the very wording.

Amill thinks Jesus rules over this corrupt world right now but clearly the world is ruled by satan which is why the world is so corrupt.




Yes, but not until the Millennium, the little season rebellion, the casting of satan into the LOF and the GWTJ of the unsaved takes place. Only then will the NHNE come. Neither satan nor his angels nor the unsaved will exist within or upon the new Earth.
Jesus said that this world is full of deceptions and delusions ! in that he is pointing out the reality of what we are up against regarding Sin !

When Christ Jesus comes back ? so when Our Lord and Saviour comes back ? what does that mean ? well He is Emmanuel ? God with us !
So the God who is with us is the one who we know is our Lord and Saviour !
That means only the truly Born again Saved are His People in fact ! and that were it's all at in fact !
But at the Second coming all who survive the Hellfire that comes before hand will be Saved !

Why are they Saved ? well the Deceptions and delusions will be burnt up in fact ! their is nothing left to Tempt anyone, all who are alive will have to work together in fact !

Anyone who was Saved going right back to the first Jews 2000 years ago to befor the Hellfire or even during the Hellfire that die or live will be Saved rergardless ! because they are Saved in fact ! It's ones Soul that is Saved in fact !

If one is Saved it's because one knows and abides in Christ Jesus in fact ! and no one can snatch such a one out of his hand in fact !

Some people will survive the Hellfire ! the Saved who live are just as they were in fact ! and the living who were not Saved have nothing but to be Saved ! for their is only one way up ! because eveyone will be at rock bottom.

Jesus does not come as a person ! he come as the Holy Spirit in fact ! why is that ? well Jesus when he came as a man was not knowen ? he was only knew when he went to Heaven in fact ! It was only then that the scales from their eyes came off ! then with eyes they could see ! the Holy Spirit gave that to them in fact !

So how does anyone come to see Christ Jesus ? It's only through the Holy Spirit in fact !

Jesus deciples had only a % of faith in Jesus the man ! They only knew after for a fact that he was the Christ Jesus ! but the Jews etc who did not get it, was because they had not faith at all, for they were only Religious Carnal dupes ! but in the second coming all will burnt up ! so everyone will be on flat on their arse. The ego trips etc will not work !

If one is Saved one would not wish for the Hellfire on anyone !
I know religious who want the Helfire ! because they believe that They will be Taken up ? So they will not go through the Hellfire, well they will go through the Hellfire regardless in fact ! They will not be raptured up for they are not with Christ Jesus because they do not do his will in fact !

Saved Christians do not want people to be going through the Hellfire in fact ! nor does Christ Jesus !
It's the Satanist who want Hellfire in fact ! They are set to go to Hell anyway !
Most people are only Lost, they are not Satanist but are traped by the workings of the Satanist because they have not been found !

Who wants people to suffer under deamonic Satanic game plays ? were people are offered up to their gods like Moloch how many Children are offered up each day and who cares ? only the Saved do or people who feel it's wrong to do ? then about Wars that are created who is clearly offering them people up ? for what ! Nonsense ! the peoples lives are clearly being sold out for nonsense lies and deceptions, for they creat delusions in fact ! even lives of Baby's are offered up to Moloch and if one is to call such out, you are seen as the criminal nowadays !
If we let Evil flourish, then one is of Satan in fact ! And we have Goverments who are clearly letting people get out of hand running loose like a fool ! They are aiding it all !
 

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Who told you that insults are helpful?
I have insulted you many times and you still are desperate to talk to me. So, you must be fine with them or else I'd be on your ignore list. Why is asking a question about why you are dishonest not helpful? I really would like to know. It might explain some things.

I said "To assume that what is described in Revelation 20 has to chronologically follow what is described in Revelation 19 is not exegesis. It's eisegesis. Clearly, the book is not all chronological". You replied "Maybe". Really? Only maybe? What I said is undeniably true. In Revelation 19 and 20, there is nothing in and of themselves to clearly indicate one way or another whether what is written in them should be understood chronologically or not. Also, it's undeniable that the book is not all chronological or else you would have to conclude the that seventh trumpet sounded before the birth and ascension of Christ (see Revelation 11 and 12). So, why would you just say "maybe" to that?

You don't seem to understand exegetical principles.
Yes, I do. You clearly don't and prove it over and over and over again. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you about something like this when all you do is talk a bunch of unintelligible gibberish to try to support your view. You never just speak plainly.

We are examining a passage of scripture, attempting to derive the intended meaning from the immediate context. Revelation 19 should be considered when looking at Revelation 20 because the topic has not changed from one chapter to the other.
You can consider it, but you should also consider at the same time that the book is not all chronological.

The process you suggest is vulnerable to errors because of confirmation bias.
Total nonsense. I am not wasting any more time reading this gibberish. You're very robotic in your long winded, unintelligible explanations of things.
 

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Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I see your carefully left out this first. If it gets the time that it happened.

Who then is the “man child” who “was to rule all nations with a rod of iron,” and “was caught up unto God, and to his throne”?
Let's not confuse topics. We were talking about Satan's role and disposition at the end. Here we saw that Satan is not bound, but he can attack and accuse the saints.

Not only this, we saw that Satan had been removed from heaven, signifying that he was no longer eternal.

The verse you quoted depicts the man-child Jesus being caught up to God and to his God's throne.

Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event.
 

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The verse you quoted depicts the man-child Jesus being caught up to God and to his God's throne.

Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event.
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Is the following passage in your Bible?

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 

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I have insulted you many times and you still are desperate to talk to me. So, you must be fine with them or else I'd be on your ignore list.
Are you sure you want to explain it that way to Jesus?
Why is asking a question about why you are dishonest not helpful?
If I was being dishonest, which I wasn't, then I would admit my sin and humbly ask you and God for forgiveness. In other words, those who love the truth welcome the truth, even when it is negative. I would welcome it and it would be helpful to me.

A mere accusation is not helpful to me, but it hurts you. I don't want anything to hurt you.
I said "To assume that what is described in Revelation 20 has to chronologically follow what is described in Revelation 19 is not exegesis.
I disagree. Proper exegetical technique always considers the flow of thought in a text.
In Revelation 19 and 20, there is nothing in and of themselves to clearly indicate one way or another whether what is written in them should be understood chronologically or not.
Proper exegetical technique always assumes that a narrative account is chronological unless otherwise specified.
Also, it's undeniable that the book is not all chronological or else you would have to conclude the that seventh trumpet sounded before the birth and ascension of Christ (see Revelation 11 and 12). So, why would you just say "maybe" to that?
The inquiry about the chronological nature of the entire book of Revelation presents a distinct consideration from the question of whether two specific chapters within it follow a chronological order.
Yes, I do. You clearly don't and prove it over and over and over again. I'm not going to waste time arguing with you about something like this when all you do is talk a bunch of unintelligible gibberish to try to support your view. You never just speak plainly.
When addressing the topic at hand, it is important to maintain a focus on the subject matter and avoid becoming overly emotional. This approach fosters more effective communication and helps facilitate a constructive discussion.
You can consider it, but you should also consider at the same time that the book is not all chronological.
Proper exegetical technique will look for language in the passage that suggests a change of chronology. If you see it, point it out.
Total nonsense. I am not wasting any more time reading this gibberish. You're very robotic in your long winded, unintelligible explanations of things.
Try to avoid emotional breakdowns. Effective exegetical technique involves an awareness of confirmation bias and strives to minimize its influence. To achieve this, a sound exegetical approach first evaluates the passage in question on its own, without immediately drawing connections to other parts of the Bible. This independent analysis helps ensure a more objective interpretation of the text.
 
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Is the following passage in your Bible?
What about it? Why question me on a fact we both share in agreement?
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 

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What about it? Why question me on a fact we both share in agreement?
It contradicts you saying "Since Jesus is not currently ruling over the nations today, we understand this reference as a future event." and you said that in relation to the man child being caught up to God and God's throne. Do you see Ephesians 1:19-23 as a future event?
 

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Ephesians 1
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Yes, true all things are under His feet now, today.

But we do not yet SEE it on this earth.
This is hidden from the world of men for now, but will be revealed when Christ returns and sits on His glorious throne at the judgment.

Which is "the world to come of which we speak, the world will be changed"
Yes, there is a new world coming at the return of Christ, in other words the New Earth is coming.

Matthew 25

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations​

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Hebrews 2

The Son Made Lower than Angels​

5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

Christ only aids to salvation those who are of the Israel of God, specifically those of God and not of the world.
That Includes gentiles and Jews.
We are not of the world, we have been taken out of the world.
Christ does not save those who are of the world, He saves those who are of God as only they can hear Him.

John 8

45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?

47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
 

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Ephesians 1
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Yes, true all things are under His feet now, today.

But we do not yet SEE it on this earth.
This is hidden from the world of men for now, but will be revealed when Christ returns and sits on His glorious throne at the judgment.
Right. That is what the following verse means as well.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

All things that exist today are under His feet and all future things that come into existence will immediately be put under His feet, but we do not yet see all things that will ever be under His feet and won't see it until the last enemy, death, is destroyed (1 Cor 15:25-26) which will occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet and swallows up death in victory (1 Corinthians 15:50-54, Revelation 21:4, Isaiah 25:8).
 
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