Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[covenantee]

God said that not a grain would fall. Do you believe him?

God said "All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us."

You don't believe Him.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are insulted that I'm questioning if you read the passage (Acts 10:34-35) since your comments had nothing to do with anything written in the passage? It was a legitimate question to ask.

Peter's assertion should be understood in the larger context of the opening chapters of Acts, where God is teaching the Apostles that Salvation is not only granted to Jews but also to Samaritans and even Gentiles. God taught Peter that he was granting salvation to "God-fearers." The "God-fearers" were Gentiles who were attracted to the morality of the Jewish people. Although they didn't practice Judaism, they believed in the God of the Jews and supported the Jewish people financially.

How did Peter know that God was saving Gentiles as well as Jews? Peter witnessed God pouring out his Spirit on Cornelius and his family. God granted salvation to a "God-fearer," which has implications for how one comes to saving faith.

It also bears noting that the Biblical teaching on salvation involves a prior choice that God makes to save a person. God chooses whom to save and whom not to save. Remember our discussion of Romans 9? Paul argues that a person's lineage is not a prerequisite for salvation. So then, when Peter announces that God is not a respecter of persons, he is making the same claim that Paul made, that being Jewish is not a prerequisite for salvation. Peter learned that God has not restricted his choices to Jacob's lineage.

The integrity of God has always been beyond reproach; however, the question of His decision to extend salvation to Gentiles was a matter of significant debate during that time. It is essential to recognize that God made a promise to save a generation of Jacob's children, which didn't take place during the time of Peter and Paul. It would be a big mistake to conclude that God will renege on his promise to Israel taken as a nation.

God has specifically chosen Israel and its descendants to be a unique and cherished nation among all peoples. If God were to fail in fulfilling His promise to Israel, as a collective entity, it would cast doubt on His integrity and reliability as a divine being. The significance of this promise highlights the unique covenant relationship between God and Israel, emphasizing the steadfastness of God's word and character.

Sure, but for Him to be impartial would require Him to do the same for everyone. He's not going to act in such a way that contradicts His character. So, it's in line with His character to want to have mercy upon all people and that's exactly what it says in Romans 11:30-32.

Impartiality isn't his only quality. He is also faithful to his promises. And God promised to save an entire generation of Jacob's descendants. Keeping his promise to them is not a sign of impartiality.

I am talking about salvation here. You are trying to talk about something else, but I'm not interested in that. I'm talking about the fact that God is not a respecter of person in relation to salvation, according to Acts 10:34-35, so if He miraculously saved everyone in one nation, but not the rest of the nations, then that would make Him a respecter of persons.

I have a different perspective on this matter, as I elaborated previously. The idea of impartiality holds significance primarily within the framework of Justice. However, when it comes to the notion of mercy, impartiality does not apply. God possesses the ultimate authority to bestow mercy upon whomever He chooses. In this context, His decision to show compassion to a particular generation of Jacob's descendants indicates that He is not acting with impartiality. Rather, it reflects His sovereign will and the deeply personal nature of mercy, which can be selectively granted based on His purposes and desires.

If I choose to give gifts to my family and friends, I am not showing impartiality. If God choses to save an entire generation of Jacob's descendants, and he circumcises their hearts, causing them to fear him, love him, believe in him and accept his son, then he is treating them no different than he treats anyone else under those conditions.

Do you believe that when everyone in the nation of Israel repents and puts their faith in trust in Jesus Christ that they will all just happen to make that choice at the same time using their free will?

Yup. You got it.

After it previously being the case that only a small percentage of them have done so?

Yup. That is what God promised. And what is impossible for man is possible for God.

 

[CadyandZoe]

God said "All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us."

You don't believe Him.

I don't see the relevance of your statement.

 

[covenantee]

I don't see the relevance of your statement.

Nor I yours.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yup. You got it.

Yup. That is what God promised. And what is impossible for man is possible for God.

It makes no sense to say that each of them will make the choice to believe when you say it is something that God promised to happen, implying that God makes it happen. Regardless, I disagree that it will happen. Obviously.

 

[covenantee]

It makes no sense to say that each of them will make the choice to believe when you say it is something that God promised to happen, implying that God makes it happen. Regardless, I disagree that it will happen. Obviously.

He's promulgating nothing other than Jewish universalism.

And since Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race, it's classic universalism for the entire human race.

Just classic old cultism.

 

[amigo de christo]

He's promulgating nothing other than Jewish universalism.

And since Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race, it's classic universalism for the entire human race.

Just classic old cultism.

I must remind us that which is of anti christ has infiltrated a massive amount of even christendome itself .
So i am gonna need us to repeat after me
That interfaith is of anti christ . the false love broad road IS of anti christ . IT HAS DENIED the dire need to repent to beleive
on JESUS the CHRIST . IT has made the road broad through an inclusvie lie it calleth love and it claims is of GOD .
But no lie is of the truth . Its gonna damn them all . WE must preach no other name than JESUS the CHRIST
with the dire reminder of the aboslute need to beleive on HIM . And be teaching all things HE did say .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is effective for all who believe in Christ and that was what Jeremiah was predicting. You are completely misunderstanding the prophecy.

stand firm on it my friend . that which is of anti christ is taking whole houses and churches even captive to a lie now .
The lie is moving in fast now . So called inclusive universalism false love has taken a deep strong hold
upon the hearts of the many . Stand firm , firm , upon the true foundation of JESUS THE CHRIST and the one true gospel .
Many will merge .
You gonna witness this my friend . HECK its already began .
Muslims , christains , new agers , hindus , whateverdus
witches , rainbow holders , THEY MERGING as one under what all beleives is love and is of GOD .
IT OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF . IT is of anti christ to take the decieved that rejected the love of the truth
TO A RIDE On the train of perdition . And worse it came of CHRISTENDOM itself . HUNGRY WHORE Sold it .
The seat that adds up to SIX HUNDRED THREE SCORE , SOLD THIS TO THE WORLD . TO THE ENTIRE WORLD
to the false religions , to the protestant realm , to elites , to politicians . THIS fake love cannot be stopped
and they gonna beleive its of GOD .

 

[CadyandZoe]

Nor I yours.

Okay, then let me remind you. You claim that my interpretation of God's promise to save "each man and his neighbor" is not correct because some group claims that the concept of race is meaningless. You also object to my claim on the basis that God has punished Israel in the past.

My response to your objection concerning race is God's promise that not one grain would fall to the ground. Speaking of their exile, he likens their experience to a sorting process. The people of Israel are likened to seed placed into a sorting device. The sorting device is likened to the nations where Israel is being put in exile. And when the sorting device is vigorously shaken, not one seed falls to the ground. In other words, contrary to those who say that an Israelite can't be identified among the nations, God claims that not one Israelite will be lost after he shakes the nations vigorously.

Regarding your objection that at times God doesn't punish Israel corporately, choosing to punish a fraction of Israel instead is taken as true. Paul also makes this point in Romans chapter 9. Speaking of God's promise to save all Israel, i.e., each man and his neighbor, he asserts, "Not all Israel is Israel." Here, Paul argues that God chooses individuals from among the descendants of Jacob, confirming his choice by circumcising the heart of the Jacobite he has chosen.

He concludes his argument with a summary of God's plan for Israel. There will come a time when God will remove ungodliness from Jacob. The process will begin once all Gentile individuals God intends to save have come to saving faith in Jesus Christ. While there remains a partial hardening in Israel today, it will not always be so once God removes ungodliness from Jacob.

How will he do that? The Call will go out for everyone to come to Jerusalem to pray for the deliverance of Israel. Each person who obeys the call and comes to Jerusalem will be delivered. Those who stay behind will die in the fires God will send. Everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Jesus will be the pride of the survivors.

 

[Marvelloustime]

stand firm on it my friend . that which is of anti christ is taking whole houses and churches even captive to a lie now .
The lie is moving in fast now . So called inclusive universalism false love has taken a deep strong hold
upon the hearts of the many . Stand firm , firm , upon the true foundation of JESUS THE CHRIST and the one true gospel .
Many will merge .
You gonna witness this my friend . HECK its already began .
Muslims , christains , new agers , hindus , whateverdus
witches , rainbow holders , THEY MERGING as one under what all beleives is love and is of GOD .
IT OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF . IT is of anti christ to take the decieved that rejected the love of the truth
TO A RIDE On the train of perdition . And worse it came of CHRISTENDOM itself . HUNGRY WHORE Sold it .
The seat that adds up to SIX HUNDRED THREE SCORE , SOLD THIS TO THE WORLD . TO THE ENTIRE WORLD
to the false religions , to the protestant realm , to elites , to politicians . THIS fake love cannot be stopped
and they gonna beleive its of GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[CadyandZoe]

It makes no sense to say that each of them will make the choice to believe when you say it is something that God promised to happen, implying that God makes it happen. Regardless, I disagree that it will happen. Obviously.

God makes everything to happen. The Bible is filled with statements that confirm this. For instance, Paul asserts that God is sovereign over all of our circumstances, and he is able to bring the good.

Romans 8:28-30 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.​

The passage above stands out as one of the most comforting and reassuring verses in the Bible, offering solace particularly to those who find themselves trapped in overwhelming situations. In this profound scripture, the apostle Paul illuminates the truth that God is sovereign over every aspect of our lives, including our most daunting circumstances. He encourages us to recognize that, even when we face challenges that seem impossible to overcome, God is intricately weaving these experiences into a larger tapestry for our good. This perspective invites us to trust in His divine plan and embrace the hope that emerges from our trials.

 

[covenantee]

Okay, then let me remind you. You claim that my interpretation of God's promise to save "each man and his neighbor" is not correct because some group claims that the concept of race is meaningless. You also object to my claim on the basis that God has punished Israel in the past.

My response to your objection concerning race is God's promise that not one grain would fall to the ground. Speaking of their exile, he likens their experience to a sorting process. The people of Israel are likened to seed placed into a sorting device. The sorting device is likened to the nations where Israel is being put in exile. And when the sorting device is vigorously shaken, not one seed falls to the ground. In other words, contrary to those who say that an Israelite can't be identified among the nations, God claims that not one Israelite will be lost after he shakes the nations vigorously.

Regarding your objection that at times God doesn't punish Israel corporately, choosing to punish a fraction of Israel instead is taken as true. Paul also makes this point in Romans chapter 9. Speaking of God's promise to save all Israel, i.e., each man and his neighbor, he asserts, "Not all Israel is Israel." Here, Paul argues that God chooses individuals from among the descendants of Jacob, confirming his choice by circumcising the heart of the Jacobite he has chosen.

He concludes his argument with a summary of God's plan for Israel. There will come a time when God will remove ungodliness from Jacob. The process will begin once all Gentile individuals God intends to save have come to saving faith in Jesus Christ. While there remains a partial hardening in Israel today, it will not always be so once God removes ungodliness from Jacob.

How will he do that? The Call will go out for everyone to come to Jerusalem to pray for the deliverance of Israel. Each person who obeys the call and comes to Jerusalem will be delivered. Those who stay behind will die in the fires God will send. Everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Jesus will be the pride of the survivors.

Isaiah 65
11 But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

What happened to those grains?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Isaiah 65
11 But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

What happened to those grains?

Why raise a random passage?

 

[covenantee]

Why raise a random passage?

Why not answer the question?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God makes everything to happen.

You agreed with me that each individual Israelite would use free will to choose to believe, did you not? That doesn't line up with thinking that "God makes everything to happen". Why are you contradicting yourself?

The Bible is filled with statements that confirm this. For instance, Paul asserts that God is sovereign over all of our circumstances, and he is able to bring the good.

Romans 8:28-30 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.​

He works for the good to those who love Him. For some reason you didn't underline the "to those who love God" part. We are responsible to love Him. You are talking a lot like a Calvinist here, so I'm not sure why you deny being one.

The passage above stands out as one of the most comforting and reassuring verses in the Bible, offering solace particularly to those who find themselves trapped in overwhelming situations. In this profound scripture, the apostle Paul illuminates the truth that God is sovereign over every aspect of our lives, including our most daunting circumstances. He encourages us to recognize that, even when we face challenges that seem impossible to overcome, God is intricately weaving these experiences into a larger tapestry for our good. This perspective invites us to trust in His divine plan and embrace the hope that emerges from our trials.

Are we not responsible to choose to trust in His divine plan or do you think that God just makes that happen for some and not the rest?

 

[Marvelloustime]

stand firm on it my friend . that which is of anti christ is taking whole houses and churches even captive to a lie now .
The lie is moving in fast now . So called inclusive universalism false love has taken a deep strong hold
upon the hearts of the many . Stand firm , firm , upon the true foundation of JESUS THE CHRIST and the one true gospel .
Many will merge .
You gonna witness this my friend . HECK its already began .
Muslims , christains , new agers , hindus , whateverdus
witches , rainbow holders , THEY MERGING as one under what all beleives is love and is of GOD .
IT OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF . IT is of anti christ to take the decieved that rejected the love of the truth
TO A RIDE On the train of perdition . And worse it came of CHRISTENDOM itself . HUNGRY WHORE Sold it .
The seat that adds up to SIX HUNDRED THREE SCORE , SOLD THIS TO THE WORLD . TO THE ENTIRE WORLD
to the false religions , to the protestant realm , to elites , to politicians . THIS fake love cannot be stopped
and they gonna beleive its of GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
.
Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

"My Kingdom is not of this world", means the current sinful world. Of course it has a spiritual/ hea enly connotation; but Christ will return and judge the world of evil doers, rid them of the planet and only godly Christians ( a much different world) will exist.
You get one phrase wrong and wow it can evolve into a false doctrine, like Amillennialism.
"...Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..."

 

[CadyandZoe]

Why not answer the question?

What significance does a message about a past event have on an unrelated message about a future event?

 

[CadyandZoe]

You agreed with me that each individual Israelite would use free will to choose to believe, did you not? That doesn't line up with thinking that "God makes everything to happen". Why are you contradicting yourself?

Contrary to modern thought, the Biblical framework allows both to be true simultaneously. But let's not get bogged down in the philosophical weeds.

Take it as granted that when God promises to circumcise their hearts, he is both able and willing to do so.

Deuteronomy 30:6 Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

The phrase about God circumcising the heart in Deuteronomy 30:6 is a metaphorical expression. It symbolizes God transforming the hearts of the Israelites, helping them to be devoted and obedient to Him. Circumcision was a physical sign of the covenant between God and His people, so "circumcising the heart" represents a deeper, spiritual renewal—a removal of anything that might hinder wholehearted love and obedience to God.

This act emphasizes the idea that true faithfulness and devotion come not just from external compliance with laws but from an inner transformation that only God can perform. By circumcising their hearts, God enables the Israelites to love Him fully and live in alignment with His ways, ultimately leading to life and blessings. It highlights His grace and active role in their spiritual growth and renewal.

Remember, God's choice of whom to bless with his Spirit depends on his purpose for them. In the future, he intends to restore the fortunes of Israel both physically and spiritually as the means to vindicate his holy name.

Ezekiel 36:26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.​

The chapter begins with God addressing the mountains of Israel, promising that the land, which has been ravaged and mocked by surrounding nations, will be restored. God assures Israel that its enemies will face judgment and that the land will once again be fruitful and inhabited by His people.

God declares His intention to act not because of Israel's righteousness, but for the sake of His holy name, which has been profaned among the nations. He promises to gather His people from exile, cleanse them from impurities, and give them a new heart and spirit. This transformation will enable them to follow His laws and live in harmony with Him.

The chapter emphasizes that the restoration will serve as a testimony to God's power, holiness, and faithfulness. By doing so, the nations will recognize that He is the Lord.

He works for the good to those who love Him. For some reason you didn't underline the "to those who love God" part. We are responsible to love Him. You are talking a lot like a Calvinist here, so I'm not sure why you deny being one.

I underlined the wording that proved my point. If one admits that God causes all things to work for the good of those who love him, then he acknowledges that God causes all things.

Are we not responsible to choose to trust in His divine plan or do you think that God just makes that happen for some and not the rest?

Both are true simultaneously. Don't get bogged down in a debate that philosophers can't solve.

 

[amigo de christo]

Contrary to modern thought, the Biblical framework allows both to be true simultaneously. But let's not get bogged down in the philosophical weeds.

Take it as granted that when God promises to circumcise their hearts, he is both able and willing to do so.

Deuteronomy 30:6 Moreover the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.​

The phrase about God circumcising the heart in Deuteronomy 30:6 is a metaphorical expression. It symbolizes God transforming the hearts of the Israelites, helping them to be devoted and obedient to Him. Circumcision was a physical sign of the covenant between God and His people, so "circumcising the heart" represents a deeper, spiritual renewal—a removal of anything that might hinder wholehearted love and obedience to God.

This act emphasizes the idea that true faithfulness and devotion come not just from external compliance with laws but from an inner transformation that only God can perform. By circumcising their hearts, God enables the Israelites to love Him fully and live in alignment with His ways, ultimately leading to life and blessings. It highlights His grace and active role in their spiritual growth and renewal.

Remember, God's choice of whom to bless with his Spirit depends on his purpose for them. In the future, he intends to restore the fortunes of Israel both physically and spiritually as the means to vindicate his holy name.

Ezekiel 36:26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.​

The chapter begins with God addressing the mountains of Israel, promising that the land, which has been ravaged and mocked by surrounding nations, will be restored. God assures Israel that its enemies will face judgment and that the land will once again be fruitful and inhabited by His people.

God declares His intention to act not because of Israel's righteousness, but for the sake of His holy name, which has been profaned among the nations. He promises to gather His people from exile, cleanse them from impurities, and give them a new heart and spirit. This transformation will enable them to follow His laws and live in harmony with Him.

The chapter emphasizes that the restoration will serve as a testimony to God's power, holiness, and faithfulness. By doing so, the nations will recognize that He is the Lord.



I underlined the wording that proved my point. If one admits that God causes all things to work for the good of those who love him, then he acknowledges that God causes all things.

Both are true simultaneously. Don't get bogged down in a debate that philosophers can't solve.

One Thing we need to always remember is
Anyone who left any jew or gentile in unbelief was co helper to that which was and has always been of anti christ .
In other words , WE should have preached JESUS to all with the dire reminder of the dire and abosolute necessity
to BELEIVE on him .
Here is the message from paul to the jews who believed not . THEY SHOOK the dust off with dire warnings
against them all . They did not do as did the great hagee and gave the promise
that somehow its gonna all be okay for them in the end .
Rather the message IT WONT BE OKAY at all but rather destruction and peridtion awaits all who rejected HIM .
THAT MUST BE OUR MESSAGE TODAY TOO .
I seem to notice that paul and barnabas
didnt tell the jews who failed to believe on HIM , OH ITS OKAY , IN THE END YOU WILL , ALL WILL BE WELL .
LIKE todays teacher try and say .THEY WARNED THEM SERIOUSLY of the damnation that awaited them .
I SUGGEST we keep it AS THEY DID . just a friendly reminder .