Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

In that day is referring to an era of time pertaining to events involving His first coming through his 2nd coming, then the millennium that follows. How is it reasonable that some of what Isaiah 11 records, so does Isaiah 65 record, but that the former is not involving the same era of time the latter is involving?

No, His first coming through his second coming is the millennium (except for Satan's little season). Isaiah 65 refers to the new heavens and new earth which follows the thousand years. We've been over this many times.

There are 2 comings involved, and until the NT shed light on this, things that the prophets wrote, such as Isaiah 11, did not make it clear that they sometimes included events having to do with the first coming and events having to do with the 2nd coming, thus they weren't being chronological about these things nor were speaking of only one coming.

I agree that Isaiah jumps around in time sometimes, which makes it difficult to follow at times. I was intending to show him that Isaiah 11 isn't just about one time period. I was intending to show that Isaiah 11:10 refers to the time between the first and second coming because it is quoted in that context in Romans 15:7-12. He probably thinks all of Isaiah 11 is about a time after Christ's return, but it's not, so that is what I was intending to show.

Either Scripture interprets Scripture or it doesn't. Using Scripture such as Isaiah 65 and Revelation 19, we can interpret what era of time is meant in some parts of ch 11, in regards to in that day.

I agree with that. But, none of it refers to a thousand year time period after Christ's return since such a time period will not happen.

Clearly, some of it is involving the first coming and events in this age that precede the 2nd coming. But to argue all of it is, is absurd.

No, some describes the eternal new heavens and new earth.

Some interpreters can't seem to comprehend that 'in that day' can be involving events having to do with the first coming and also be involving events having to do with the 2nd coming and then what happens after that because of the 2nd coming. Such as Isaiah 11:6-9.

Some interpreters like to make assumptions about what other people are saying and then proceed to waste time making straw man arguments.

 

[Scott Downey]

Why are you bringing Hebrews 12 into the psalm 2 discussion? I’m discussing the warning to the rebellious kings and rulers of psalm 2


Psalm 2:10-12 Now therefore understand, ye kings: be instructed, all ye that judge the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice in him with trembling. 12 Accept correction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and ye should perish from the righteous way

Barns notes on the Bible on psalm 2:10

Be wise now, therefore, O ye kings - This is to be understood as the language of the psalmist. See introduction to the psalm, Section 3. It is an exhortation addressed to the rulers and princes whom the psalmist saw engaged in opposition to the purpose of Yahweh Psalm 2:1-3 -

Jamiesson bible commentary on psalm 2:10

10-12. kings … judges—For rulers generally (Ps 148:11), who have been leaders in rebellion, should be examples of penitent submission, and with fear for His terrible judgments, mingled with trust in His mercy, acknowledge—

Cambridge Bible commentary on psalm 2:10

Be wise now therefore] Now thereforeshould stand first, as in R.V., emphatically introducing the conclusion to be drawn from the statements of the preceding verses.

kings … judges of the earth] Not the rebel leaders of Psalm 2:2 exclusively, though the warning has a special significance for them, but all world-rulers

Pulpit commentary on psalm 2:10
Verse 10. - Be wise now therefore, O ye kings. The remainder of the psalm contains the advice of the psalmist to the rebels of vers. 1-3, and to all who may be inclined to imitate them. "Be wise," he says," be prudent.

Because of what you said to Spiritual Israelite, this.

"Are you saying no one outside of “only” Gods people are taught correction, repentance, and to serve the Lord?"

That is true, just as Hebrews 12 states. None except God's foreknown to Him people are taught by the Spirit repentance to salvation, that would be the ones God gives to Christ, granting them to know Christ. That is why I also pointed out John 6 teaching on this.

The others do not believe as they are not of His sheep as He tells the unbelieving Jews why they do not believe in Him

John 10 says it again

The Shepherd Knows His Sheep​

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in [d]doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, [e]as I said to you.

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

 

[claninja]

Because of what you said to Spiritual Israelite, this.

"Are you saying no one outside of “only” Gods people are taught correction, repentance, and to serve the Lord?"

That is true, just as Hebrews 12 states. None except God's foreknown to Him people are taught by the Spirit repentance to salvation, that would be the ones God gives to Christ, granting them to know Christ. That is why I also pointed out John 6 teaching on this.

The others do not believe as they are not of His sheep as He tells the unbelieving Jews why they do not believe in Him

I have been talking about psalm 2 this entire time. The warning of “accept correction and serve the Lord or perish”, that is found at the end of psalm 2, is directed, in part or total, at the rebellious kings from vs psalm 2:1-3.

So can you explain how Hebrews 12 is relevant to psalm 2’s warning to the rebellious kings of psalm 2:1-2?

 

[Scott Downey]

Understand this, you must be born (again) as one of His sheep, otherwise you will never believe.

Example of His other sheep who do not yet believe, but they will.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

19 Therefore there was a division again among the Jews because of these sayings. 20 And many of them said, “He has a demon and is [c]mad. Why do you listen to Him?”

21 Others said, “These are not the words of one who has a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?”

 

[Scott Downey]

I have been talking about psalm 2 this entire time. The warning of “accept correction and serve the Lord or perish”, that is found at the end of psalm 2, is directed, in part or total, at the rebellious kings from vs psalm 2:1-3.

So can you explain how Hebrews 12 is relevant to psalm 2’s warning to the rebellious kings of psalm 2:1-2?

Psalm 2 is a warning to those who are rebels against Christ and God. God warns the wicked of what is coming for them. There is no actual repentance, nothing about them repenting of their wickedness as response to the warning.

Hebrews 12 is an example of God's discipline of His children, God does not discipline the wicked, they are illegitimate, as in fake sons of God, their real father is the devil, and they desire to do Satan's will not Gods will.

Your either of the family of God, or you're not His family, and God saves His family. Unbelief and disobedience are marks of the children of the devil, sons of disobedience upon whom God executes wrath. They are disobedient to the gospel message. Why? Because God is not at work within them to change their hearts, seeing they are not of His sheep, not of the children that God gives to Christ. They naturally refuse repentance and belief, because repentance and belief are supernatural works - gifts of God to people.


Colossians 3
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 2

Therefore we must give [a]the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. 2 For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just [b]reward, 3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts[c] of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

The Son Made Lower than Angels​

5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.
8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

********************

The entire chapter is written to us who believe as an explanation, none of the world knows or understands any of this, it is not about them at all. Christ gives aid to the seed of Abraham, that is referring to His sheep that the Father God gives the Son, the Lord. And only they will believe as only they also have the forgiveness of their sins against God.

Only the elect (chosen of God for salvation) will have faith in the Son.

Titus 1
Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 3 but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;

4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith:

Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and [a]the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

 

[claninja]

Psalm 2 is a warning to those who are rebels against Christ and God.

I agree. That’s what I’ve been saying. Hebrews 12 is not relevant to this point.

 

[Scott Downey]

For more proof of the ministry of Christ directed only to His own this.

John 17
6 “I have [c]manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.


"They were Yours, You gave them to Me"

Christ acknowledges that God gave to Him God's foreknown-predestined to be saved and granted people to come to Christ, and God does not do that for all people, only the ones God has chosen before the world was to belong to Christ.

Another example as does Ephesians expose and many other scriptures.

1 Timothy 1
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,

9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles. 12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

 

[WPM]

[Rom 11:2 KJV] 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Yes, His elect redeemed, not Christ hating Jews.

 

[Doug]

You have entire nations either inheriting eternal life or being cast into everlasting fire. How can you support that idea with any other scripture? No other scripture teaches such a thing. You are undermining scripture with your interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46.

What I mean is I will not undermine scripture by questioning the translation and God's preservation of his word.............[Psa 12:6-7 KJV] 6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

As far as the nations being judged ...................[Psa 82:8 KJV] 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations..............Matthew says he is separating the nations.................[Mat 25:32 KJV] 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

 

[Doug]

Paul confirms the identity of "His People" in Romans 11:5.
They are those in Christ, the "remnant according to the election of grace."

Only that remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27

Paul further identifies them as "His People which He foreknew".

Peter confirms Paul in identifying "His People which He foreknew" as the elect, those in Christ.
1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Not sure what you are saying sorry
The remnant was believing Israel who would inherit the earthly kingdom by believing the preaching of Jesus and the twelve

 

[Doug]

Yes, His elect redeemed, not Christ hating Jews.

Yes.....Christ shed his blood to redeem the sins of Israel (Hebrews 9:15 Matthew 26:28)

 

[Scott Downey]

What I mean is I will not undermine scripture by questioning the translation and God's preservation of his word.............[Psa 12:6-7 KJV] 6 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

As far as the nations being judged ...................[Psa 82:8 KJV] 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations..............Matthew says he is separating the nations.................[Mat 25:32 KJV] 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

AMPC
All nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them [the people] from one another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats;

EXB
All the nations of the world will be gathered before him, and he will separate them ·into two groups [L one from another] as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

What we got here is not a new doctrine, but the same message, God is not condemning whole nations one from the other. Only the people of all nations are separated as sheep and goat.

ESV
Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

 

[Scott Downey]

When it talks of God judging the nations, that means the people of those nations. A group of persons creates a nation.
And if I am a believer in Christ, my nation is a holy nation as I am joined to that. I am not recognized by God according to the flesh.

Peter speaks of believers as a holy nation.


1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Exodus 19:6
And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

 

[Doug]

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Notice here that this is all related to "the last days". Scripture says the last days is the time period between the first coming and the second coming of Christ, so why do you try to apply this passage to a time after His return?

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Can you see here that the last days had already begun before the day of Pentecost and included the day of Pentecost?

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Can you see here that the last days refers to the time period during which people scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming which was already happening long ago and is still happening today? Once He comes, people won't be scoffing any more, so the last days will be over at that point.

So, you should see that taking Isaiah 2:1-4 literally as you are and applying it to a time after Christ's return contradicts other scripture. Look at that Acts 2 passage again that I quoted above. Peter was quoting from Joel 2:28-32 there. If we didn't know any better, we would think it's saying that God would pout out His Spirit in literally all people since it says He would pour out His Spirit on all people. But, of course, we know that He only pours out His Spirit on all believers, not all people. Isaiah 2:1-4 should similarly be only applied to believers and not literally all people.

As for Isaiah 65:20, that verse relates to the new heavens and new earth. Why are you interpreting that passage in such a way that contradicts what John wrote about the new heavens and new earth?

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

John was very clear that there will be no more death in the new earth, so why make Isaiah and John contradict each other? Isaiah was describing no more death in verse 20 in a figurative way. A 100 year old child? That's clearly figurative. A 100 year old is not a child. Is that really saying that there will be 100 year old children who die on the new earth? Of course not. That was a figurative way of saying that even after 100 years going by in eternity (if there was actually time in eternity) a child would still be a child because no one will age in eternity.

Notice what it says in Isaiah 65:18-19. No more weeping and crying. Just like it says in Revelation 21:4. Do you think that people will die during this supposed future thousand year time period and no one will mourn their deaths? That would be ridiculous, right? So, how do you reconcile your understanding of Isaiah 65:20 with what it says in Revelation 65:18-19 and what it says in Revelation 21:4?

And how about 2 Peter 3:13 which says the new heavens and new earth will be a place "whwerein dwelleth righteousness". Why would Peter have said that if it will be a place where wickedness also dwells? That would make 2 Peter 3:13 pointless, right? He clearly implied that the new heavens and new earth would be a place where only righteousness dwells.

 

[Doug]

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Notice here that this is all related to "the last days". Scripture says the last days is the time period between the first coming and the second coming of Christ, so why do you try to apply this passage to a time after His return?

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Can you see here that the last days had already begun before the day of Pentecost and included the day of Pentecost?

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Can you see here that the last days refers to the time period during which people scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming which was already happening long ago and is still happening today? Once He comes, people won't be scoffing any more, so the last days will be over at that point.

So, you should see that taking Isaiah 2:1-4 literally as you are and applying it to a time after Christ's return contradicts other scripture. Look at that Acts 2 passage again that I quoted above. Peter was quoting from Joel 2:28-32 there. If we didn't know any better, we would think it's saying that God would pout out His Spirit in literally all people since it says He would pour out His Spirit on all people. But, of course, we know that He only pours out His Spirit on all believers, not all people. Isaiah 2:1-4 should similarly be only applied to believers and not literally all people.

As for Isaiah 65:20, that verse relates to the new heavens and new earth. Why are you interpreting that passage in such a way that contradicts what John wrote about the new heavens and new earth?

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

John was very clear that there will be no more death in the new earth, so why make Isaiah and John contradict each other? Isaiah was describing no more death in verse 20 in a figurative way. A 100 year old child? That's clearly figurative. A 100 year old is not a child. Is that really saying that there will be 100 year old children who die on the new earth? Of course not. That was a figurative way of saying that even after 100 years going by in eternity (if there was actually time in eternity) a child would still be a child because no one will age in eternity.

Notice what it says in Isaiah 65:18-19. No more weeping and crying. Just like it says in Revelation 21:4. Do you think that people will die during this supposed future thousand year time period and no one will mourn their deaths? That would be ridiculous, right? So, how do you reconcile your understanding of Isaiah 65:20 with what it says in Revelation 65:18-19 and what it says in Revelation 21:4?

And how about 2 Peter 3:13 which says the new heavens and new earth will be a place "whwerein dwelleth righteousness". Why would Peter have said that if it will be a place where wickedness also dwells? That would make 2 Peter 3:13 pointless, right? He clearly implied that the new heavens and new earth would be a place where only righteousness dwells.

Isaiah was describing no more death in verse 20 in a figurative way. A 100 year old child? That's clearly figurative. A 100 year old is not a child. Is that really saying that there will be 100 year old children who die on the new earth? Of course not. That was a figurative way of saying that even after 100 years going by in eternity (if there was actually time in eternity) a child would still be a child because no one will age in eternity.

I thought about this .......I think the verse is saying a child will live to be a 100.....not saying there is a 100yr old child

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Notice here that this is all related to "the last days". Scripture says the last days is the time period between the first coming and the second coming of Christ, so why do you try to apply this passage to a time after His return?

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Can you see here that the last days had already begun before the day of Pentecost and included the day of Pentecost?

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Can you see here that the last days refers to the time period during which people scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming which was already happening long ago and is still happening today? Once He comes, people won't be scoffing any more, so the last days will be over at that point.

So, yo

John was very clear that there will be no more death in the new earth, so why make Isaiah and John contradict each other? Isaiah was describing no more death in verse 20 in a figurative way. A 100 year old child? That's clearly figurative. A 100 year old is not a child. Is that really saying that there will be 100 year old children who die on the new earth? Of course not. That was a figurative way of saying that even after 100 years going by in eternity (if there was actually time in eternity) a child would still be a child because no one will age in eternity.

I thought about this verse and think it is saying a child will live to be a 100....its not saying there is a 100yr old child

 

[covenantee]

Not sure what you are saying sorry
The remnant was believing Israel who would inherit the earthly kingdom by believing the preaching of Jesus and the twelve

Yes, the remnant was believing Israel.

Paul identifies them as "His People which He foreknew", and the "remnant according to the election of grace."

Peter further confirms Paul's identification in describing "His People which He foreknew" as the "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father".

There's no reference to an earthly kingdom, because the believing foreknown elect remnant belongs to the Kingdom of God/Heaven.

 

[Dash RipRock]

As the rebels still exist, even though Satan is bound in a pit 1000 years, they believe he rules many unsaved people of the nations with a rod of iron during the millennial reign

The scriptures speak of such

So Christ rules over a kingdom of flesh and blood people.

No, all those who have been born again will be reigning with the Lord in glorified bodies that are untouchable by death as in the non glorified folks cannot kill them with whatever weapons they may have access to.

It's going to be great fun as Christians will have physical dominion as we police this world which will be mostly peaceful although there will be some who rebel against the Lord's reign - there's even scripture talking about Jesus will withhold rain from some nations so they understand it's Jesus Who is running the show.

Fact is if you do not believe all the pre-mill doctrines, maybe you need to change your POV on the end of the world.

I'll stick with God's Word, thanks. Preterism is satanic and me and the devil don't get along too well since I know how to beat the living daylights out of him with the Word of God which is my offensive weapon against Him, just like Jesus used God's Word to beat the devil up and make him leave!

 

[covenantee]

Preterism is satanic

Jesus fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophecies about His first coming more than three decades before 70 AD.

He was the greatest partial preterist who ever lived.

 

[Scott Downey]

The scriptures speak of such





No, all those who have been born again will be reigning with the Lord in glorified bodies that are untouchable by death as in the non glorified folks cannot kill them with whatever weapons they may have access to.

It's going to be great fun as Christians will have physical dominion as we police this world which will be mostly peaceful although there will be some who rebel against the Lord's reign - there's even scripture talking about Jesus will withhold rain from some nations so they understand it's Jesus Who is running the show.





I'll stick with God's Word, thanks. Preterism is satanic and me and the devil don't get along too well since I know how to beat the living daylights out of him with the Word of God which is my offensive weapon against Him, just like Jesus used God's Word to beat the devil up and make him leave!

2 separate kingdoms of God then. One of flesh and blood rule on earth, and one of spirit in heaven is what you believe.