Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Scott Downey]

Ephesians 1:20–21. God raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

AFTER He was raised, He was seated at the right hand of God, all things were put under His feet, This is when he received all authority and power. Prior to this He was dead, so with the dead in Abraham's bosom in the heart of the earth, 3 days and 3 nights.

Prayer for Spiritual Wisdom​

15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your [f]understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality[g] and [h]power and [i]might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.

22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Reconciled by His death, but SAVED by His life as in when God raised Him. Only then did we have access into living in heaven with the Father, as in go to heaven
Makes sense to me.

Rev 1

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Peter 3:20-22

20 who formerly were disobedient, [a]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

 

[Scott Downey]

Zacharias’ Prophecy​

67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:

68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

A double meaning of raised here, God raised Christ from the DEAD
Without that none of the prophecy could come true.
Without the resurrection, Jesus would not have the keys of hades and of death
With these keys, Christ was able to lead the captivity out of hades and death into the Prescence of God in heaven, and all of us who believe ever after have no fear of death

Rev 1
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.

Hebrews 2, speaks of our release from lifelong bondage of death in hades. Takes having the keys of hades and death to bring about a release someone from the fear of death. Interesting to notice, Satan had the power of death, but no more. This fear of death is still real for the unbelieving who have no hope in God.
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.



And also God raised up Christ to be the Messiah from among the people, sent Him on a mission.

Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will​

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[WPM]

I already told you, Paradise was Abraham's Bosum. What the thief says is irrelevant. Jesus tells the thief, the thief will be wherever Jesus is going. On the 3rd day Christ comes into his kingdom as in receives his kingdom. Christ does not receive all authority and power from the Father until after his ascension, until after his resurrection

John 20

The Empty Tomb​

1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”

3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the [a]handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not [b]know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own homes.

Mary Magdalene Sees the Risen Lord​

11 But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb. 12 And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?”

She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.”

14 Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?”

She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.”

16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!”

She turned and said to [c]Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher).

17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

18 Mary Magdalene came and told the [d]disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He had spoken these things to her.

This is not saying what you say. I cannot go on your mere opinion. You have to prove it. You obviously have nothing.

 

[Scott Downey]

This is not saying what you say. I cannot go on your mere opinion. You have to prove it. You obviously have nothing.

I know you, anyone who disagrees with you is to be considered heretic.

 

[WPM]

Ephesians 1:20–21. God raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

AFTER He was raised, He was seated at the right hand of God, all things were put under His feet, This is when he received all authority and power. Prior to this He was dead, so with the dead in Abraham's bosom in the heart of the earth, 3 days and 3 nights.

Prayer for Spiritual Wisdom​

15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your [f]understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality[g] and [h]power and [i]might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.

22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Physically, yes. He had to physically defeat the grave to reign.

 

[WPM]

I know you, anyone who disagrees with you is to be considered heretic.

Seriously?

What are you talking about? When did I call you are heretic or anything close? I called you "bro."

 

[Scott Downey]

Physically, yes. He had to physically defeat the grave to reign.

Tell me where then was Abraham's spirit?

 

[WPM]

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Reconciled by His death, but SAVED by His life as in when God raised Him. Only then did we have access into living in heaven with the Father, as in go to heaven
Makes sense to me.

Rev 1

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.

So, He was not alive for 3 days now?

When he took captivity captive He took authority over Hades.

 

[WPM]

Tell me where then was Abraham's spirit?

With Jesus

 

[Scott Downey]

So, He was not alive for 3 days now?

When he took captivity captive He took authority over Hades.

How do you define the resurrection?? He was dead, He died and was buried.
Christ ROSE again from the dead on the third day/
God raised Him from the dead.
God raised Christ from the place of death, the same place all the righteous dead went to at death

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve.

Rev 1
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death.

 

[Scott Downey]

With Jesus

In Heaven?

 

[Scott Downey]

So, He was not alive for 3 days now?

When he took captivity captive He took authority over Hades.

He was there till the 3rd day when God raised Him from the dead.

 

[Scott Downey]

So, He was not alive for 3 days now?

When he took captivity captive He took authority over Hades.

Who gave Christ the keys of hades and death?
When did that happen?

The day he was cruciffied?
Or the Day God raised Christ from the dead...

 

[Scott Downey]

If Christ is not raised, they your faith and hope in God is in vain

1 Peter 1
20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was [a]manifest in these last times for you

21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

God glorified Christ in glory with all power and authority on earth and in heaven after God raised Christ from the dead, before that Christ was dead for 3 days.

 

[WPM]

He was there till the 3rd day when God raised Him from the dead.

More private interpretation. That seems to be the grounds of your argument.

 

[Scott Downey]

More private interpretation. That seems to be the grounds of your argument.

You prefer to believe Christ went into glory immediately after His crucifixion death, where does scripture say that?

 

[Scott Downey]

DavidPT should like this answer from Copilot AI
when asked, where did Christ go after his crucifixion

This is the historic understanding of the church for couple 1000 years

Copilot Answer

After Jesus died, He descended to Hades into Abraham’s bosom, the place of comfort, and proclaimed liberty to those who had died in faith. He then took those believers with Him (along with the thief on the cross) to Heaven, where all believers now go immediately upon death. This event is known as the Harrowing of Hell, or "the descent of Christ into Hell" or Hades, and is considered the saving act of Christ to the souls in Hades between His Crucifixion and Resurrection.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus Ascends to Heaven​

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

I have heard it preached that the 'cloud' were all the OT saints, those Christ brought out of hades, Abraham's bosom, paradise, and they all ascended together into heaven.

Note as a connection to this cloud of witnesses

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,