Brakelite
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It is your opinions...or your church's opinions which you are repeating on what those scriptures mean that concern us.
Is the "eternal fire" of Sodom still burning? - Nope
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Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
I think you need to wise up.
Brakelite
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One opinion of yours is that sinners are immortal and live forever, whereas scripture declares unequivocally that only God is immortal.
I hope you don't become eternal roommates with this guy!
Luke 16:22-25 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
Brakelite
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I don't see eternal mentioned in that parable, not to mention all the other inconsistencies in taking that as a literal description of the after life.
He's alive in the fire, even tho he died! There's absolute ZERO reason to think that Hell is not eternal!
Revelation 14:9-11 "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead or in his hand,
10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Brakelite
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Again, you are seeing and understanding the meaning of those scriptures in light of your failure to understand the true character of God. Let me set the record straight for you and everyone else who shares your opinion on ET.
God is not a tyrant, a torturer, a despotic dictator bent on inflicting pain and suffering and never ending agony upon those who don't know Him.
You just said He was gonna burn them alive until they die. Do you read your own posts?
So you're right and the Bible is wrong? I just quoted clear Scripture that proves you wrong. Want more?
Brakelite
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@Jack
Do youactually read the posts anyone responds with? I ask because you never address them. Take my post #209 for example. Did you read it? Did you understand at all where I'm coming from? How about addressing the actual points made and showing me if and where I'm wrong?
Do youactually read the posts anyone responds with? I ask because you never address them. Take my post #209 for example. Did you read it? Did you understand at all where I'm coming from? How about addressing the actual points made and showing me if and where I'm wrong?
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Brakelite
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Who is the God you believe in? Where is the God Who revealed Himself to Moses, Who and Who demonstrated His true nature through Jesus? Where is that God in your thinking?
His Name is Jesus, God of the Bible!
There's more about God's wrath than God's love in the Bible!
NotTheRock
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"speaking allegorically"
Translation: God is wrong and I'm right!
I think Kingdom Hall would welcome you with open arms. You seem to speak the same language when you don't like what God said, allegory, symbolic ...
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NotTheRock
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You're here to win an argument rather than to share and learn together. Your pride has no limit and so you can NOT accept that your understanding might be even slightly off. There's no point in engaging you further. I hope you seek humility.
Brakelite
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Mmm. “5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. ”
Exodus 34:5-7 KJV
Hebrews 1:6-9Mmm. “5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. ”
Exodus 34:5-7 KJV
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
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