I did not ignore your experience. I am saying your experience was the spirit of Christ showing you something. You were not brought into the future.
Is anyone else a Seer?
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I stay out of the book of Revelation. Most of it is referring to Israel and it's written in all kinds of figures of speech and parables.
Hillsage
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And as I said the "BEST, GREATER" and this RSV is the best translation "HIGHER GIFTS" are the ones in that 1 Cor 12:28-31 list which are SPIRITUAL. The ones NOT spiritual are the doma/gifts of the five fold ministry. Those gifts aren't "spiritual" because they aren't even available to ALL. They are soulish talents and are knit into the brains of those whom God is gifting as 'presents' from conception. They were the 'ministry' gifts Paul evaluated in Eph 4:8, 11.
EPH 4:8 Therefore it is said, "When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts/doma to men."
EPH 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
1390 doma: a present
Really? Got a scripture to back that? I have one to refute it.
1 Cor 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
So here we have Paul, after correcting their errors telling them to COVET even more the spiritual gift of "prophesy" and to "NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES."
DOES YOUR CHURCH ENCOURAGE TONGUES like Paul just did? I doubt it because being spiritual and immature still makes things get messy. But I'll take immature spiritual messes like Corinth had along with the rebukes those older and WALKING in these things better than those who have no testimony to a truly spiritual walk at all when it comes to these MANIFESTATIONS/GIFTS FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.
I'm quoting SCRIPTURE to refute your fundaMENTAL OPINION above
1CO 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
I just wish he would have said "spiritually ignorant" in this verse . 'I think' it would have fit hand in glove with your above quote, 'don't you think' so also?
Wrangler
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What is your problem? I never said I was brought into the future.
You obviously have issues with this topic. I received a revelation from God. You wanting to call it something else is irrelevant.
Compare my experience to Jonah. He went to Nineveh to get them to repent or be destroyed. Jonah is called a prophet even though his prophecy did not materialize. This is because God does not want destruction, he wants repentance. The very same with my doctor.
This is why God have Jonah and me prophecy, to get people to turn to him. Praise God!
K
Keep prophesying. It is a great ability Jesus has given to mankind for mankind. God is sharing His thoughts with us. What a fantastic privilege it is to have the Almighty impart knowledge to us so that we can share it with others.
Thanks for sharing them with us and others. There will always be mockers and unbelievers amongst us. Those of us who have ears to hear and eyes to see will receive God's thoughts and God's words given directly to you for us. Be bold and courageous, prophesy as one of the many prophets Jesus has added to His church for the benefit of the church.
I have no problem. I am responding to you responding to me saying yours was not God saying what he was going to do, but rather info about your Doc. And you said this in the middle of a conversation (from where you responded to me) that was talking about seeing into the future. Now if you can't play nice... than don't comment on my posts. Because if you do I will reply.
Carl Emerson
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Amos 3:7
Certainly the Lord God does nothing
Unless He reveals His secret plan
To His servants the prophets.
Certainly the Lord God does nothing
Unless He reveals His secret plan
To His servants the prophets.
Carl Emerson
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I woke one morning with a vivid vision of Yugoslavia - Gravestones with folks trapped behind them and Western Engineers coming in with the tools to release them. This was 6 months before the devastating war broke out in the country. I contacted the Slavic Gospel Mission and passed the warning on.
There needs to be some reliable way of submitting and vetting such messages - it wouldn't be hard to do - our Pastor used to do this - all offerings were submitted to him - sometimes they made sense when he fitted together what was bought independently from different individuals. We need this... as the Prophets need to be subject to the Prophets.
There needs to be some reliable way of submitting and vetting such messages - it wouldn't be hard to do - our Pastor used to do this - all offerings were submitted to him - sometimes they made sense when he fitted together what was bought independently from different individuals. We need this... as the Prophets need to be subject to the Prophets.
Behold
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Your verse has a context.
Here it is @Carl Emerson
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English Standard Version
But earnestly desire the HIGHER gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.
Berean Standard Bible
But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.
Berean Literal Bible
But earnestly desire the GREATER gifts. And I show to you now a more surpassing way.
King James Bible
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
New King James Version
But earnestly desire the BEST gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.
New American Standard Bible
But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And yet, I am going to show you a far better way.
NASB 1995
But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
NASB 1977
But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
Contemporary English Version
I want you to desire the BEST gifts. So I will show you a much better way.
Douay-Rheims Bible
But be zealous for the BETTER gifts. And I shew unto you yet a more excellent way.
English Revised Version
But desire earnestly the gifts. And a still more excellent way shew I unto you.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
You [only] want the better gifts, but I will show you the best thing to do.
Good News Translation
Set your hearts, then, on the MORE IMPORTANTgifts. Best of all, however, is the following way.
International Standard Version
Keep on desiring the better gifts. And now I will show you the best way of all.
Carl Emerson
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What point are you trying to make ?
By the way you are quoting another verse - I quoted 1 Cor 14:1
English Standard Version
Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
Berean Standard Bible
Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.
Berean Literal Bible
Earnestly pursue love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, and especially that you might prophesy.
King James Bible
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
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I will bet you my car (Mercedes) that for the New Testament Prophets just speak the Word for people. And then there's this...
1 Peter 1:10-12
Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified before-hand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
This secret concerning the body of Christ was hidden in God, and this is why the prophets who spoke and wrote God’s Word had to search diligently to find out the length of time that was between “the sufferings of Christ, and the glory.” They could not find anything to tell them if the glory would follow the sufferings immediately, or if there would be a period of time between them. The prophets revealed “the sufferings” and saw the glory that followed, but they did not know “what” it was or the length of time between “the sufferings” and the appearing of Christ, and that is what those prophets searched diligently to find.
Carl Emerson
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Behold
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You told us that you let the scripture speak for itself.
So here you go...
""""But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet i show you a more excellent way..""""
Carl Emerson
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Excellent - and you appreciate that one Scripture cannot void another - and that Paul penned 1 Cor 14 after the verse you quote.
It is not a matter of 'either or' it is a matter of 'both and'.
Behold
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My church encourages praise and prayer, bible study, helping the poor, missionary work, and divine fellowship.
With the understanding that there is a difference between a "Gift of Tongues" and a "Prayer Language", my church does not put an emphasis on it.
Behold
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A scripture can seem to void another verse, if they are both read like a dictionary, according to the natural mind.
But if they are rightly divided, according to discernment, and we study the verses "by comparing scripture with scripture", then verses harmonize.
Either way... if one verse says....... "black", and 345 other verse in the NT, that are regarding the same topic say, "Red", then we dont try to prove the 345 verses are wrong, based one the one that seems to disagree.
You'll notice that heretics try to make the entire NT teach their cult theology, that is aways 3-5 verses, and always taken out of context.
People do this mostly with Matthew, James, and Hebrews.
John Calvin did this by redefining "God's foreknowledge" as "Pre-destined" and created an entire Cross rejecting God accusing Theology based on that one situation.
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