Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Doug]

The “Israel of God” is therefore the people of God of all nations,

The Israel of God is the Israel of faith

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jews only had to believe in the name of Christ for eternal life

How is that different from what Paul taught regarding both Jews and Gentiles?

which Gentiles? Gentiles before Paul had to believe Jesus was Christ ...........Gentiles after Paul had to believe that but not for eternal life we have to believe Paul's gospel

What is the difference between Paul's gospel and the one that says people have to believe Jesus was Christ?

I dont recall any scripture about Gentiles being saved in Acts........they were saved by believing on the name of Christ

How about you try actually reading scripture for once then? That might help. Read Acts 10 where it talks about the Gentile Cornelius and his family being saved.

talking about Acts 15

What about it? Are you just not interested in backing up your claims then? You just make all these vague comments without any explanation of what you're talking about. I will assume that you're not interested in being taken seriously then.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

we arent grafted into Israel Paul was talking about Gentiles who believed Peter in Acts 10

What do you think the olive tree represents in Romans 11 that Gentiles, represented by wild olive branches from a wild olive tree, are grafted into?

 

[Doug]

There it is. You believe in more than one gospel which explains a lot of why you have no understanding of scripture. There is only one gospel. Teaching any other gospel is forbidden.

2 Corinthians 11:1 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Any other gospel but the one gospel "is really no gospel at all". In regards to anyone preaching a gospel other than the one gospel "let them be under God's curse!". As Paul said "Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ".


The new testament is the new covenant. There will be no sacrifices in an imaginary future millennial kingdom because Jesus Christ made animal sacrifices permanently obsolete with His once for all sacrifice. Animal sacrifices were only done for the purpose of foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10:1) and would serve no purpose in the future except to be an insult to Christ's once for all sacrifice.

There it is. You believe in more than one gospel which explains a lot of why you have no understanding of scripture. There is only one gospel. Teaching any other gospel is forbidden.

[Mar 1:15 KJV] 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Christ preached that the promised earthly kingdom was at hand to Israel..............this is not our gospel in this dispensation,,,,the gospel of the kingdom will be preached again in the kingdom

There will be no sacrifices in an imaginary future millennial kingdom

Ezekiel says otherwise

 

[Doug]

The Greeks were Gentiles. Any time you say a reference to the Jews and the Greeks it's the same as referring to the Jews and the Gentiles. You prove over and over again that you will go to any length to deny the truth. Have you no shame?

I really wish this was just some game you were playing with us, pretending to have no discernment at all, but I don't think that's the case.

I was responding in saying Paul preached to Jews and Gentiles

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Mar 1:15 KJV] 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Christ preached that the promised earthly kingdom was at hand to Israel..............this is not our gospel in this dispensation,,,,the gospel of the kingdom will be preached again in the kingdom

Ezekiel says otherwise

May God have mercy on your soul for preaching a false gospel. There is only one gospel. Ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Doug]

Greeks were Gentiles.

I showed that scripture because you said Paul was preaching to Gentiles........yes he did.......that scripture says not just to Gentiles but Jews and Gentiles

 

[WPM]

The Israel of God is the Israel of faith

I agree - us.

 

[covenantee]

I showed that scripture because you said Paul was preaching to Gentiles........yes he did.......that scripture says not just to Gentiles but Jews and Gentiles

Of course. He was preaching to the Church. That's Jews and Gentiles.

 

[WPM]

This is the kind of "proof" we are refuting in this thread.

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More like, 2+2=22.

 

[Doug]

It's not a literal thousand years. Jesus begins to reign at the beginning of the thousand years, right? He started reigning long ago after His resurrection.

Jesus is not reigning in Jerusalem

 

[Doug]

What do you mean? How does this address my having said "The only criteria Paul gives for being a spiritual Jew is to have been spiritually circumcised and all believers, Jew and Gentile, have been spiritually circumcised."?

Why are you so evasive? Why can't you answer simple questions and address simple points?

You were saying we are spiritual Jews
in answer to your statement I say you are saying Israel isnt fallen it shifted to us spiritual Jews.................[Rom 11:12 KJV] 12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

 

[Doug]

Good grief, man. Are you even trying? What evidence do you have that there was a church in Ephesus besides the one that Paul wrote the letter of Ephesians to, which undeniably addressed both Jew and Gentile believers? What evidence do you have that the church in Ephesus being addressed in the book of Revelation was some other church than the one Paul wrote to? Do you have any? What you showed here is not evidence of that, so is this all you have?

The verses plainly say there were disciples of John there not disciples of Paul
[Act 19:2-3 KJV] 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
this is a church there already
this is the church I think John wrote to

 

[Doug]

What?! Paul is not talking about a different dispensation in Romans 11 than he talks about in Ephesians 2:11-22. He was talking about the early church in both cases that was comprised of both Jew and Gentile believers. Where do you com up with this nonsense?

Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7). I keep telling you to do this. Have you ever done it?

in romans 11 paul is talking about the church he persecuted....the remnant of Israel........[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Doug]

How is that different from what Paul taught regarding both Jews and Gentiles?

Jews didnt have to believe in the death burial and resurrection only that he was Christ the Son of God

 

[Doug]

What is the difference between Paul's gospel and the one that says people have to believe Jesus was Christ?

they say different things

 

[Doug]

How about you try actually reading scripture for once then? That might help. Read Acts 10 where it talks about the Gentile Cornelius and his family being saved.

What verse are you referring to.....Cornelius was said to be devout
[Act 10:1-2 KJV] 1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band], 2 [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

 

[Doug]

What do you think the olive tree represents in Romans 11 that Gentiles, represented by wild olive branches from a wild olive tree, are grafted into?

nothing to add

 

[WPM]

Jesus is not reigning in Jerusalem

Where in Rev 20 does it say He must?

 

[WPM]

nothing to add

This is what your position produces.