Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Doug]

And Israel contained Gentiles.

that doesnt negate it being a Jewish church

 

[covenantee]

the church in ephesus during Paul's ministry is not the ephesus church at that time in revelation

How was it different?

 

[covenantee]

that doesnt negate it being a Jewish church

You're confusing your responses.

 

[Doug]

How was it different?

Ephesians and Revelations were not written at the same time

 

[covenantee]

Ephesians and Revelations were not written at the same time

The Ephesian church was still the Ephesian church.

 

[Davy]

I am still looking for that "indisputable proof". All I see is bad interpretation, arrogant posturing and a cherry picked selective assignment of metaphoric symbolism...

That's because the basis of the false Amil theory is from an 'allegorical' style interpretation of The Bible, like what Origen did in 2nd century A.D. in the Alexandria, Egypt school, and it got him ex-communicated.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Israel of God is by faith

So, since faith is the only criteria of being part of the Israel of God, that means Jew and Gentile believers are part of the Israel of God. Agree?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Rev 2:7 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Here is why I think the church of Ephesus is a Jewish church. a believing remnant

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Israel had to keep his commandments to enter the city

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant of Israel keeps the commandments

So, are only Jewish believers born of God and keep God's commandments and not Gentile believers?

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's because the basis of the false Amil theory is from an 'allegorical' style interpretation of The Bible, like what Origen did in 2nd century A.D. in the Alexandria, Egypt school, and it got him ex-communicated.

LOL. This is a lie from the pit of hell. The Amill doctrine is based on literal, straightforward scriptures which teach that Jesus reigns now (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-23), that we are priests now (1 Peter 2:9, Rev 1:5-6), that all believers will be changed to put on bodily immortality at the same time (1 Cor 15:50-54), that all living unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13), that all of the dead are resurrected at generally the same time (Daniel 12:1-2, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15) and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am still looking for that "indisputable proof". All I see is bad interpretation, arrogant posturing and a cherry picked selective assignment of metaphoric symbolism...

All I see from Premills like you "is bad interpretation, arrogant posturing and a cherry picked" selection of twisted scripture passages.

 

[WPM]

If Christ didnt ascend into heaven yet then where did his spirit go until his resurrection?
I dont have scripture that directly says paradise is Abraham's bosom .........scripture has to be compared to scripture to form opinion....you are free to disagree with mine, but I will state my opinions....scripture doesnt come right out and state everything

Sadly, opinions seem to sum up your theology. Who cares about the Book!

 

[WPM]

I am still looking for that "indisputable proof". All I see is bad interpretation, arrogant posturing and a cherry picked selective assignment of metaphoric symbolism...

LOL. How about reading the Op and addressing it? The reason you do not is: it forbids Premil.

 

[WPM]

It contained Gentiles.

Ephesians 3
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Checkmate! No NT text is safe with his ad-hoc Zionist hermeneutics.

 

[WPM]

Why do you continue to ignore Scripture that has already been presented?

John tells us. Don't you believe him?

Revelation 1
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

When you show him Scripture, he explains it away.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

the church in ephesus during Paul's ministry is not the ephesus church at that time in revelation

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I gave 2 verses

I did here is another which shows Israel was to keep the commandments..................[Deu 11:22 KJV] 22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

Do Gentiles not have to keep God's commandments?

Is the following only about Jews?

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Eph 2:12 KJV] 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Gentiles prostyles or not were strangers from the covenants

That was in Old Testament times. But, Gentile believers in New Testament times are no longer strangers from the covenants (Ephesians 2:11-22)!

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[shepherdsword]

LOL. How about reading the Op and addressing it? The reason you do not is: it forbids Premil.

I have been destroying your arguments for years. This has been your constant position:

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have been destroying your arguments for years.

 

[shepherdsword]

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