Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Doug]

He needs to read the New Testament. I can tell he has never read it closely if he has ever read it at all. He comes across like he is a religious Jew and part of Judaism and is trying to learn about Christianity.

I talk alot about Israel because there are those who think they are Israel......Israel has to be separated from the church today the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

I cited four Scriptures showing that they qualified in every respect as Israelites.

You still don't believe those Scriptures.

I just dont believe they will be priests in the kingdom.......you are free to disagree with me

 

[covenantee]

I just dont believe they will be priests in the kingdom.......you are free to disagree with me

Then provide Scripture that disproves what I provided and supports your belief.

 

[shepherdsword]

I am still looking for that "indisputable proof". All I see is bad interpretation, arrogant posturing and a cherry picked selective assignment of metaphoric symbolism...

 

[Doug]

He needs to read the New Testament. I can tell he has never read it closely if he has ever read it at all. He comes across like he is a religious Jew and part of Judaism and is trying to learn about Christianity.

[Rev 2:7 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Here is why I think the church of Ephesus is a Jewish church. a believing remnant

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Israel had to keep his commandments to enter the city

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant of Israel keeps the commandments

 

[Doug]

Then provide Scripture that disproves what I provided and supports your belief.

[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

[Isa 61:6 KJV] 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

He is speaking to Israel

 

[Doug]

Then provide Scripture that disproves what I provided and supports your belief.

All the scriptures refer to Gentiles as strangers.......there is a distinction between those born in the land (Israelites) and strangers....the strangers are only to be treated as born in the land but not considered to be so

[Exo 12:19, 48 KJV] 19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. ... 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
[Lev 19:34 KJV] 34 [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.
[Lev 24:16 KJV] 16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death.
[Num 9:14 KJV] 14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.
[Num 15:30 KJV] 30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

 

[covenantee]

All the scriptures refer to Gentiles as strangers.......there is a distinction between those born in the land (Israelites) and strangers....the strangers are only to be treated as born in the land but not considered to be so

[Exo 12:19, 48 KJV] 19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. ... 48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
[Lev 19:34 KJV] 34 [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.
[Lev 24:16 KJV] 16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death.
[Num 9:14 KJV] 14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.
[Num 15:30 KJV] 30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Where is your Scripture that explicitly excludes faithful obedient Gentiles from a Covenant relationship with God?

 

[Doug]

Where is your Scripture that explicitly excludes faithful obedient Gentiles from a Covenant relationship with God?

Please show me one that says Gentiles will be if they become proselytes ........Paul nowhere says we Gentiles are kings and priests either

 

[covenantee]

Please show me one that says Gentiles will be if they become proselytes ........Paul nowhere says we Gentiles are kings and priests either

Why do you continue to ignore Scripture that has already been presented?

John tells us. Don't you believe him?

Revelation 1
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Doug]

Where is your Scripture that explicitly excludes faithful obedient Gentiles from a Covenant relationship with God?

[Eph 2:12 KJV] 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Gentiles prostyles or not were strangers from the covenants

 

[Doug]

Why do you continue to ignore Scripture that has already been presented?

John tells us. Don't you believe him?

Revelation 1
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

what makes you think this applies to us the body of Christ

 

[covenantee]

what makes you think this applies to us the body of Christ

Who do you think it applies to? Who was John writing to?

 

[Doug]

Who do you think it applies to? Who was John writing to?

To the seven churches which are Jewish churches I will give you examples along the way

hold on

 

[Doug]

Who do you think it applies to? Who was John writing to?

[Rev 2:7 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Here is why I think the church of Ephesus is a Jewish church. a believing remnant

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Israel had to keep his commandments to enter the city

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant of Israel keeps the commandments

 

[covenantee]

[Rev 2:7 KJV] 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Here is why I think the church of Ephesus is a Jewish church. a believing remnant

[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Israel had to keep his commandments to enter the city

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant of Israel keeps the commandments

Who kicked the Gentiles out?

Scripture please.

 

[covenantee]

Here is why I think the church of Ephesus is a Jewish church. a believing remnant

It contained Gentiles.

Ephesians 3
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

 

[Doug]

I gave 2 verses

Who kicked the Gentiles out?

Scripture please.

I did here is another which shows Israel was to keep the commandments..................[Deu 11:22 KJV] 22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

 

[covenantee]

I gave 2 verses

I did here is another which shows Israel was to keep the commandments..................[Deu 11:22 KJV] 22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

And Israel contained Gentiles.

 

[Doug]

It contained Gentiles.

Ephesians 3
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

the church in ephesus during Paul's ministry is not the ephesus church at that time in revelation