Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[dad]

Oh!!! So, billions of satanists are not wicked in your estimation?

We were talking about when Jesus returns and slays the wicked. How many people could exist that are not wicked who knows?? We do know the wicked are slain

 

[dad]

So, you believe Jesus was wrong about the Heaven and earth passing away at his coming?

He never said that. Heaven and earth will pass away. That will be at the end of the 1000 years.

So what is the point of ruling over the fallen earth with no wicked people for a thousand years?

There will still be nations...minus the wicked folks.

I thought he ascended to the Fathers House and prepared a place for us there.

Correct. Then we also come back with Jesus here to the earth. He rules here for 1000 years as do we with Him. We will have work to do on earth. We also have our home in heaven of course. Did you think we, in our immortal bodies would have some sort of trouble commuting??

He promised to come back so we could be with him in that place forever. So be encouraged.

And so we shall and He and we also shall rule this ol planet.

 

[dad]

No Scripture.

Already posted

 

[covenantee]

Already posted

Not.

 

[jeffweeder]

He never said that. Heaven and earth will pass away. That will be at the end of the 1000 years.

Are you for real?

1. Matthew 24:35
   Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
   
   
2. Mark 13:31
   Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
   
   
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4. Luke 21:33
   Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
   
   
5. Revelation 20:11
   

   The Final Judgment​

   And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].
   
   
6. Revelation 21:1
   

   The New Heaven and Earth​

   Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished), and there is no longer any sea.

There will still be nations...minus the wicked folks.

Correct. Then we also come back with Jesus here to the earth. He rules here for 1000 years as do we with Him. We will have work to do on earth. We also have our home in heaven of course. Did you think we, in our immortal bodies would have some sort of trouble commuting??

And so we shall and He and we also shall rule this ol planet.

No place is found for this ol planet...just except it brother.

11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].

 

[dad]

Not.

Yes it was zec 13

 

[WPM]

The coming in the air is a coming that we see. His return to earth is a coming every eye shall see

So, the catching away is indeed the second coming. I agree. Your 3rd coming is of course fiction. We are caught up, and the wicked are destroyed. We return to a regenerated earth. It all happens at the one time. Your teachers have deceived you.

 

[WPM]

We were talking about when Jesus returns and slays the wicked. How many people could exist that are not wicked who knows?? We do know the wicked are slain

Your invented millennium is a farce. It is overrun by the wicked. Why not admit it? The reality is, it will never happen.

 

[dad]

Are you for real?

1. Matthew 24:35
   Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

Yes and if you don't know when that is I just told you. At the end of the 1000 years

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2. Revelation 20:11
   

   The Final Judgment​

   And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].

In case you missed it this is when that happens


Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison

No place is found for this ol planet...just except it brother.

He burns it with fire and makes it new. A new earth. The heavens also will be new.

 

[dad]

So, the catching away is indeed the second coming. I agree. Your 3rd coming is of course fiction. We are caught up, and the wicked are destroyed. We return to a regenerated earth. It all happens at the one time. Your teachers have deceived you.

Believe what you like.

 

[dad]

Your invented millennium is a farce.

It is what God told us will be. Clearly. Believe it or not

It is overrun by the wicked. Why not admit it? The reality is, it will never happen.

Some rebels thinking about attacking saints at the end of the millennium is not being overrun. It is a final rebellion attempt that is quashed. Proving for one thing that man, even in a paradise run by Jesus cannot be happy or good unless they have God in their hearts
Did you think the nincompoops would be allowed to kill even one saint then??

 

[WPM]

It is what God told us will be. Clearly. Believe it or not

Some rebels thinking about attacking saints at the end of the millennium is not being overrun. It is a final rebellio

n attempt that is quashed. Proving for one thing that man, even in a paradise run by Jesus cannot be happy or good unless they have God in their hearts
Did you think the nincompoops would be allowed to kill even one saint then??

Where in Revelation 20 does it call the millennium paradise? The millennium started with Christ's first resurrection 2000 years ago.

 

[jeffweeder]

Are you for real?

1. Matthew 24:35
   Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

dad replied,​

Yes and if you don't know when that is I just told you. At the end of the 1000 years

Why listen to you?
Jesus told us when that is....,

lk 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
34 “But be on guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down and depressed with the giddiness of debauchery and the nausea of self-indulgence and the worldly worries of life, and then that day [when the Messiah returns] will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth. 36 But keep alert at all times [be attentive and ready], praying that you may have the strength and ability [to be found worthy and] to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man [at His coming].”

Mark 13
31 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 32 But of that [exact] day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone.

33 “Be on guard and stay constantly alert [and pray]; for you do not know when the appointed time will come. 34 It is like a man away on a journey, who when he left home put his servants in charge, each with his particular task, and also ordered the doorkeeper to be continually alert. 35 Therefore, be continually on the alert—for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning— 36 [stay alert,] in case he should come suddenly and unexpectedly and find you asleep and unprepared. 37 What I say to you I say to everyone, ‘Be on the alert [stay awake and be continually cautious]!’”

Matt 24
35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.

 

[dad]

Where in Revelation 20 does it call the Millennium paradise?

I called it that. The descriptions in the bible include fast growing plant life, super long lifespans for man, peace and plenty and direct rule of Jesus etc. Of course I would call that a paradise. Especially for believers that live in New Jerusalem in heaven and have eternal bodies!

You make it up as you go. This is all affection. The Millennium started with Christ's first resurrection 2000 years ago.

The 1000 years could not have started over two thousand years ago! I take it math is not your strong suit

 

[CadyandZoe]

How are spiritual truths imaginary?

Spiritual truth is not imaginary. However, "spiritualized" scripture passages are inventions born in the imagination.

What did Paul say earlier?

You claim that the New Testament doesn't teach that Israel will be saved. Paul argues that Israel will be saved in Romans chapters 9-11. When does God save Israel? He will save Israel when he removes ungodliness from Jacob.

Romans 11:26-27 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.” “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”

Paul describes a physical event, not a spiritual event. God will remove ungodliness from Jacob in the manner predicted by Malachi. A sun of righteousness will rise: It will heal those among Jacob who fear the Lord but incinerate those who are arrogantly evil.

What was his argument?

In Romans chapters 9 through 11, Paul argues why God has not broken his promise to save all of Israel. He argues that a promise of salvation to a nation does not contradict God's choice of individuals. Not all of Jacob's descendants will benefit from the promise. He also argues that God's promise to save a nation doesn't contradict God's choice to make faith in Jesus the essential marker of those whom he is saving. He argues that God's promise to save Israel doesn't conflict with his holiness and righteousness. Even Israel's rejection of Messiah Jesus didn't cause God to change his mind about his promise to save Israel. He will save Israel, but only a remnant will be saved, and before then, a partial hardening will remain until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in.

What doesn't fit?

Your position spiritualizes the concept of Israel, understanding the term contrary to it's dictionary definition, assigning the term to the church instead. But this innovative concept doesn't fit into Paul's argument.

How do you know more of what Paul means to say than what Paul knows of what Paul means to say?

We know what Paul means to say through his writings.

What context are you referring to?

We understand Romans 11:26-27 from within the argument he presented in Romans chapters 9 through 11, paying special attention to the rhetorical questions he asks. If an interpretation fails to answer the questions he raised, then it is incorrect and needs work.

I said to leave it for those who understand it.

So leave it for those who understand it.

Special knowledge or special understanding is the practice of cults. The practice of Jesus and the Apostles is to reveal God's will for Israel and all of human kind.

 

[RLT63]

So, is your rapture not a coming of Christ?

I appreciate the knowledge that y'all have, you have really studied but did you become a Christian so that you could argue about this?
Do you love your neighbor, take up your cross and follow Christ and witness to people?
Just wondering because you spend a lot of time arguing about this.

 

[WPM]

I called it that. The descriptions in the bible include fast growing plant life, super long lifespans for man, peace and plenty and direct rule of Jesus etc. Of course I would call that a paradise. Especially for believers that live in New Jerusalem in heaven and have eternal bodies!

The 1000 years could not have started over two thousand years ago! I take it math is not your strong suit

Where in Revelation 20 does it teach "fast growing plant life, super long lifespans for man, peace and plenty and direct rule of Jesus" on earth?

Do you understand the whole concept of symbolism and figurative language in Revelation?

 

[covenantee]

Yes it was zec 13

Link to your post so I can see how you interpret zec 13.

 

[dad]

Where in Revelation 20 does it teach "fast growing plant life, super long lifespans for man, peace and plenty and direct rule of Jesus" on earth?

Do you understand the whole concept of symbolism and figurative language in Revelation?

Where in this thread did anyone claim that in that chapter all that was written? Does this mean that you are actually unfamiliar with such basic Scripture?

 

[dad]

Link to your post so I can see how you interpret zec 13.

Zechariah 13:8
In the whole land, declares the Lord , two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive.

Zechariah 13:9
And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people'; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.'"

If anyone doesn't know the time this is speaking about, the verses before make it clear



Zechariah 12:9
And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

This is the end time