Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[dad]

The remnant of Israel is saved today. That is the only Israel that is and shall be saved. Wake up.

Not the remnant that will be saved that constitutes all Israel in the end. There have always been some Jewish people saved. That is not the prophesy of Dan 9 in any way

 

[covenantee]

Not the remnant that will be saved that constitutes all Israel in the end. There have always been some Jewish people saved. That is not the prophesy of Dan 9 in any way

It doesn't.

It's called "remnant" for a reason.

The reason is that it's not the entire nation.

 

[dad]

It doesn't.

It's called "remnant" for a reason.

The reason is that it's not the entire nation.

The few survivors in the end will not be the entire nation, yet they will be the remnant that is all saved. They will also happen to be all Israel at the time.

 

[covenantee]

The few survivors in the end will not be the entire nation, yet they will be the remnant that is all saved. They will also happen to be all Israel at the time.

Scripture?

 

[jeffweeder]

No one overuns anything ever after Jesus returns.

Very true. Only believers are left.

There are some rebels at the end of the 1000 years stupid enough to surround a camp of saints

I thought you just said no one rebels / over runs after Jesus returns. There are billions not just some.

The saints get raptured I would think,

The saints get raptured again?

and the rebels get fried. (along with the planet and He makes it new) End of rebellion.

That is the second coming when Jesus said heaven and earth pass away.
Jesus comes in a flame of fire....,

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of [c]everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


End of rebellion.

 

[dad]

Scripture?

You need direction to find how 2/3 of Israel will die according to prophesy?

 

[dad]

Very true. Only believers are left.

That is a matter of debate

I thought you just said no one rebels / over runs after Jesus returns. There are billions not just some.

No, I said that any rebellion will be quashed like a mosquito.

The saints get raptured again?

I don't see why not! There was the Rapture. Later the second coming to earth of Jesus when old testament saints and trib saints are raised.

That is the second coming when Jesus said heaven and earth pass away.
Jesus comes in a flame of fire....,

Nope. The earth will be here and nations.

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of [c]everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


End of rebellion.

That is when He returns to earth, and destroys the wicked and takes over. That is not the end of the 1000 years when the earth is burned by fire and a new one created.

 

[covenantee]

You need direction to find how 2/3 of Israel will die according to prophesy?

You're unable to show how 2/3 of Israel will die according to prophecy?

 

[WPM]

That is a matter of debate

No, I said that any rebellion will be quashed like a mosquito.

I don't see why not! There was the Rapture. Later the second coming to earth of Jesus when old testament saints and trib saints are raised.

Nope. The earth will be here and nations.

That is when He returns to earth, and destroys the wicked and takes over. That is not the end of the 1000 years when the earth is burned by fire and a new one created.

So, is your rapture not a coming of Christ?

 

[WPM]

That is a matter of debate

No, I said that any rebellion will be quashed like a mosquito.

I don't see why not! There was the Rapture. Later the second coming to earth of Jesus when old testament saints and trib saints are raised.

Nope. The earth will be here and nations.

That is when He returns to earth, and destroys the wicked and takes over. That is not the end of the 1000 years when the earth is burned by fire and a new one created.

Where do all the billions of wicked come from in your millennium then?

 

[dad]

You're unable to show how 2/3 of Israel will die according to prophecy?

Yes I am quite able. Are you saying that is news to you?

 

[dad]

So, is your rapture not a coming of Christ?

Not a coming to the earth

 

[dad]

Where do all the billions of wicked come from in your millennium then?

Good question, although I never said billions. We can eliminate some people though. The wicked. The false prophet. The AntiChrist. There is some opinion involved in guessing the answer to that question. How about, I don't know?

 

[covenantee]

Yes I am quite able. Are you saying that is news to you?

So why the refusal?

I don't follow dispenews.

 

[WPM]

Not a coming to the earth

Stop avoiding. Is it a coming of the Lord?

 

[WPM]

Good question, although I never said billions. We can eliminate some people though. The wicked. The false prophet. The AntiChrist. There is some opinion involved in guessing the answer to that question. How about, I don't know?

Oh!!! So, billions of satanists are not wicked in your estimation?

 

[jeffweeder]

Nope. The earth will be here and nations.

So, you believe Jesus was wrong about the Heaven and earth passing away at his coming?

That is when He returns to earth, and destroys the wicked and takes over.

So, do the heaven and earth pass away that time? What exactly is he taking over?
There are no wicked as you say, because they are all destroyed.
Looks like the ideal time for a NHNE where God dwells with the righteous.

That is not the end of the 1000 years when the earth is burned by fire and a new one created.

So what is the point of ruling over the fallen earth with no wicked people for a thousand years?
I thought he ascended to the Fathers House and prepared a place for us there.

He promised to come back so we could be with him in that place forever. So be encouraged.

 

[covenantee]

You need direction to find how 2/3 of Israel will die according to prophesy?

No Scripture.

 

[dad]

So why the refusal?

I don't follow dispenews.

OK



Zechariah 13:8
In the whole land, declares the Lord , two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive.





Zechariah 13:9
And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people'; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.'"

 

[dad]

Stop avoiding. Is it a coming of the Lord?

The coming in the air is a coming that we see. His return to earth is a coming every eye shall see