Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[covenantee]

You made that up. It was God through Gabriel answering a prayer about Daniel's people and Jerusalem. Nothing is fulfilled with Israel being free from sin, in everlasting righteousness etc etc.

There is a saved remnant even today. NOTHING to do with Israel as a whole being saved or righteous etc.

What to believe?

3 Scripture references to the salvation of the remnant of Israel
0 Scripture references to the salvation of the nation of Israel

Who needs a hint?

 

[RLT63]

Peter disagrees with you in Acts 2:29-36, saying: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ” (Acts 2:25-31).

The whole context here is expressly speaking about the One that would assume David's throne. It is speaking about the only One that could gloriously take it. Christ was that man. He was of course the promised offspring of David (the fruit of his loins). None else would take such a final place of authority. Christ was indeed the fulfilment of the Davidic promise. He now reigns supreme.

Christ already came physically and revealed the kingdom of God to Israel. The problem was, it just wasn't what they expected. The fact is the Messianic kingdom is here. Messiah has come. The kingdom is found everywhere Christ reigns in sovereign control. The kingdom is here on this earth now in the hearts of God's people (the Israel of God).

Peter shows us that Psalm 110:1 is currently being fulfilled since Christ destroyed the power of the grave, and ascended to the right hand of majesty on high. No objective Bible student could fail to see the focus and message of this narrative. This reading is concentrated upon the victory of the resurrection of Christ nearly 2,000 years ago and the resulting current kingly Messianic reign of Christ at “the right hand of God exalted” in heaven. It confirms that Israel’s Messiah now sits enthroned upon David’s throne, and locates the timing of His assumption of the same to after “the resurrection of Christ.” As Messiah, Christ fulfilled every human demand of Him, thus rightfully assuming the kingship of Israel through His impeccable life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection.

Nope, not on David's throne

 

[WPM]

Nope, not on David's throne

You are fighting with the Word of God then! It overrides your opinion.

 

[covenantee]

Nope, not on David's throne

David's literal physical throne was destroyed in the first destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar in 589 BC.

How will Jesus sit on it?

 

[dad]

You are fighting with the sacred text.

I know you are but what am I?

It is very clear that everything and everyone is under His sovereign feet.

No need to return and take over and slay the wicked then. I see.

They are under His supreme control. He opens and no man closes. He closes and no man opens. He is king of kings and Lord of lords.

But not king of the hearts and lives of wicked men and nations. Otherwise there would be no rebellion. The world is in rebellion

Permitting man to be, do and say evil does not in any way negate Christ's current kingship

So the prince of the world is powerless here. Got it. Funny he offered Jesus the kingdoms. Did Jesus say 'I have kingship over them all already'? No. He is coming to take care of that bit soon.

It does not negate His divine authority. It does not negate His sovereign power. He allows evil and uses it for His ultimate glory. There would have been no cross if there had never been a Fall. The greatest evil that was ever done - nailing God to a tree- ended up the greatest blessing that ever happened in history.

The rebellion of man and nations has nothing to do with God's power. It has to do with man's choices. The world does not know Him. The world chooses evil. If God did not allow that there would be no evil! There is. Notice? If there were no wicked people and nations why would He come to take vengeance and take over? Why would He send the plagues etc?

Get real

 

[dad]

What to believe?

3 Scripture references to the salvation of the remnant of Israel

Notice WHEN they get saved. In the end and only a remnant. You are taking the choices of a tiny minority of Israel and trying to use that as some excuse for the extreme wickedness of the nation. Those who have escaped as burning brands from the fire are the exception today. Not the rule. The events of the tribulation have nations and armies attacking actual physical Israel. Not some spiritual one.

0 Scripture references to the salvation of the nation of Israel

All Israel shall be saved. They shall mourn as for an only son when they see Him. God will fight for them and restore them. Etc

 

[WPM]

I know you are but what am I?

No need to return and take over and slay the wicked then. I see.

But not king of the hearts and lives of wicked men and nations. Otherwise there would be no rebellion. The world is in rebellion

So the prince of the world is powerless here. Got it. Funny he offered Jesus the kingdoms. Did Jesus say 'I have kingship over them all already'? No. He is coming to take care of that bit soon.

The rebellion of man and nations has nothing to do with God's power. It has to do with man's choices. The world does not know Him. The world chooses evil. If God did not allow that there would be no evil! There is. Notice? If there were no wicked people and nations why would He come to take vengeance and take over? Why would He send the plagues etc?

Get real

Your teaching blinds you to so much truth. It is a shame that you reject so much truth showing that He is currently king sovereignly reigning over creation, His people and over His enemies. There is nothing that is not under His feet.

 

[WPM]

I know you are but what am I?

No need to return and take over and slay the wicked then. I see.

But not king of the hearts and lives of wicked men and nations. Otherwise there would be no rebellion. The world is in rebellion

So the prince of the world is powerless here. Got it. Funny he offered Jesus the kingdoms. Did Jesus say 'I have kingship over them all already'? No. He is coming to take care of that bit soon.

The rebellion of man and nations has nothing to do with God's power. It has to do with man's choices. The world does not know Him. The world chooses evil. If God did not allow that there would be no evil! There is. Notice? If there were no wicked people and nations why would He come to take vengeance and take over? Why would He send the plagues etc?

Get real

Paul confirms:

1 Corinthians 15:25-26: “For he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”

Here he shows that Christ is reigning now. It is written in the present, active infinitive sense. How long does he reign? He confirms: “till he hath put all enemies under his feet.” Again, this couldn’t be clearer! Every last enemy will be subjugated and subdued at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The last enemy is identified as death!

There you have it! The second coming sees the final subjugation of all:

· rule
· authority
· power
· death

Paul then reinforces this thought:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 “For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to) all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotasso) subdued (or subordinated or submitted to) unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (hupotasso or subordinated or submitted to), that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

Paul, again, repeats the great truth that God “hath put all things under his feet” as He reigns in majestic glory upon high. The reign described here is aorist active indicative, meaning it is ongoing. He also shows, whilst Christ is reigning over His enemies as Lord and God, they will NOT be made His footstool, subdued and put down until the second coming.

The whole focus here is the current reign of Christ upon the heavenly throne that will culminate in the final downfall of all his enemies when he appears. Then we'll his enemies finally be subdued, put down, and made his footstool.

Hebrews 1:2, 3, 2:9 says, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.”

There it is! He is the supreme power. He is the government. He carries all authority. Whilst new enemies are being born every day, while new wicked regimes continually arise, Christ determines what He allows and what He doesn't. There is nothing that is not under Him. The world is NOT out of control. God has a plan and that plan will be fulfilled, when God sees fit.

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God (now!!!); angels and authorities and powers being (currently!!!) made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds. They also circumvent clear New Testament writings that teach Christ is reigning now.

 

[dad]

Your teaching blinds you to so much truth. It is a shame that you reject so much truth showing that He is currently Ki g sovereignly reigning over creatiob, His ppl and over His enemies. There is nothing that is not under His feet.

The truth is Jesus is coming back. He is coming to destroy the wicked and judge the nations and save His people and to rule with us. Right now the whole world lies in wickedness. Far from Him. In darkness. Soon to be ruled by the direct agent/man of Satan. Your la de da willing ignorance of this is not my problem. No, He is not going to come to rule this planet by believers doing a good job and converting everyone or whatever delusion you are peddling.

 

[dad]

Paul confirms:

1 Corinthians 15:25-26: “For he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”

Guess when that is??

Here he shows that Christ is reigning now. It is written in the present, active infinitive sense. How long does he reign? He confirms: “till he hath put all enemies under his feet.” Again, this couldn’t be clearer! Every last enemy will be subjugated and subdued at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The last enemy is identified as death!

There you have it! The second coming sees the final subjugation of all:

· rule
· authority
· power
· death

Paul then reinforces this thought:

He reigns in heaven and also will rule here when He comes. Any pretending otherwise is foolishness and delusion

The whole focus here is the current reign of Christ upon the heavenly throne that will culminate in the final downfall of all his enemies when he appears. Then we'll his enemies finally be subdued, put down, and made his footstool.

The earth is what we are talking about here. Not whether God is God and rules heaven

Hebrews 1:2, 3, 2:9 says, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.”

Nothing in heaven. If the earth was also in obedience He would not be coming in fire and power and vengeance. The issue is not what He could do. What He has power to do. The issue is when He will do it here. We know when. When He comes.

There it is! He is the supreme power. He is the government.

No. He is coming to slay governments and leaders! He is coming to depose the AntiChrist and false prophet. He is coming to take over and then be the government here.

Without a doubt Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down.

God is not directing the nations of the world in policies actually, or wars or much of anything else! Your idea seems to be that it gets better and better and God rules earth now, and all we wait for is a little tweak in the end to get rid of a few stinkers. No. It gets worse and worse until the end. He comes to destroy all the wicked and actually take over and rule all the nations. If He ruled HERE now that would not need to happen.

 

[WPM]

The truth is Jesus is coming back. He is coming to destroy the wicked and judge the nations and save His people and to rule with us. Right now the whole world lies in wickedness. Far from Him. In darkness. Soon to be ruled by the direct agent/man of Satan. Your la de da willing ignorance of this is not my problem. No, He is not going to come to rule this planet by believers doing a good job and converting everyone or whatever delusion you are peddling.

The word for "rule" you are talking about is "shepherd." This is what happens when He comes. He separates the sheep from the goats.

 

[WPM]

Guess when that is??

He reigns in heaven and also will rule here when He comes. Any pretending otherwise is foolishness and delusion

The earth is what we are talking about here. Not whether God is God and rules heaven

Nothing in heaven. If the earth was also in obedience He would not be coming in fire and power and vengeance. The issue is not what He could do. What He has power to do. The issue is when He will do it here. We know when. When He comes.

No. He is coming to slay governments and leaders! He is coming to depose the AntiChrist and false prophet. He is coming to take over and then be the government here.

God is not directing the nations of the world in policies actually, or wars or much of anything else! Your idea seems to be that it gets better and better and God rules earth now, and all we wait for is a little tweak in the end to get rid of a few stinkers. No. It gets worse and worse until the end. He comes to destroy all the wicked and actually take over and rule all the nations. If He ruled HERE now that would not need to happen.

Total avoidance of the detail of the inspired text, because you have to support Dispensatanism at any cost. It seems like you are in love with a doctrine bro, not the truth. It comes across in your posts.

 

[WPM]

Guess when that is??

He reigns in heaven and also will rule here when He comes. Any pretending otherwise is foolishness and delusion

The earth is what we are talking about here. Not whether God is God and rules heaven

Nothing in heaven. If the earth was also in obedience He would not be coming in fire and power and vengeance. The issue is not what He could do. What He has power to do. The issue is when He will do it here. We know when. When He comes.

No. He is coming to slay governments and leaders! He is coming to depose the AntiChrist and false prophet. He is coming to take over and then be the government here.

God is not directing the nations of the world in policies actually, or wars or much of anything else! Your idea seems to be that it gets better and better and God rules earth now, and all we wait for is a little tweak in the end to get rid of a few stinkers. No. It gets worse and worse until the end. He comes to destroy all the wicked and actually take over and rule all the nations. If He ruled HERE now that would not need to happen.

Giving man a free will to sin is part of His sovereign will. The fact that the majority are on the wrong road is part of His sovereign will. The fact there are few that find Him is part of His sovereign will. Notwithstanding, man cannot do what he wants to do. He is subject to the will of God. God lifts one up, and puts one down. He gives life and He takes it away. He opens and no man closes. He closes and no man opens. He is totally sovereign!

What is the alternative?

Believing in man-centered devil-exalting teaching?

 

[covenantee]

Notice WHEN they get saved. In the end and only a remnant.

Romans 11
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul wasn't writing in the end. He was writing in his present time.

All Israel shall be saved.

"All Israel" is identified and described by Paul.

It is the remnant.

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[dad]

The word for "rule" you are talking about is "shepherd." This is what happens when He comes. He separates the sheep from the goats.

No. I am talking about ruling. No one starts any wars, makes any policies or teaches anything or etc etc that He does not like. No more pride parades, vile school teachings, wars, etc etc. Not some namby pamby pretend government

 

[dad]

Giving man a free will to sin is part of His sovereign will. The fact that the majority are on the wrong road is part of His sovereign will. The fact there are few that find Him is part of His sovereign will. Notwithstanding, man cannot do what he wants to do. He is subject to the will of God. God lifts one up, and puts one down. He gives life and He takes it away. He opens and no man closes. He closes and no man opens. He is totally sovereign!

What is the alternative?

Believing in man-centered devil-exalting teaching?

You are the one trying to pawn off this wicked world as being directed and run by Jesus now.

 

[WPM]

No. I am talking about ruling. No one starts any wars, makes any policies or teaches anything or etc etc that He does not like. No more pride parades, vile school teachings, wars, etc etc. Not some namby pamby pretend government

You are scoffing at God not me.

 

[WPM]

You are the one trying to pawn off this wicked world as being directed and run by Jesus now.

The reason you reject this truth is because you have been sold a false bill of goods by Premil. The millennium that they portray is false. It will never happen. Contrary to what you have been taught, it is overrun at the end by billions of millennial rebels. It is not what you've been taught.

Christ reigning over all mankind does not mean that they are all loyal. It does not mean that they are all submitted to Him.

In any kingdom there are always many who do not accept the rule of the king. That does not negate the king's authority or power.

 

[dad]

Romans 11
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Yes, there is also a remnant getting saved in this age. Nothing to do with the final remnant of all Israel that will come to Him in the end. Nor does the few getting saved now make Israel righteous now! That means that your Dan 9 theory is busted

Paul wasn't writing in the end.

"All Israel" is identified and described by Paul.

It is the remnant.

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

You conflate time periods. Now only the few Jews are saved. In the end all the nation of Israel will be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Yes, you know what 'Sion' is? That is where Jesus is returning to. Right now Israel is not turned away from but more into ungodliness. You almost seem to be saying that He turned them away from ungodliness the first time He came as a man. Not what the verse is saying

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

In the end they all will believe. Now, only a few will believe, not all. We can call those few a remnant. Yes. We also can call the relatively few survivors of Israel in the end who all get saved the remnant. Do not think you can grab onto the word remnant and try to omit the greatest and final meaning.

 

[dad]

The reason you reject this truth is because you have been sold a false bill of goods by Premil.

The reason you call some ignorant obviously false fantasy that Israel is now righteous and God is now ruling planet earth 'truth' is because you do not know the difference between lies and truth.

The millennium that they portray is false.

Thanks for displaying your unbelief.

It will never happen. Contrary to what you have been taught, it is overrun at the end by billions of millennial rebels. It is not what you've been taught.

Did I say that? No. If you want to introduce some new complete fantasy about God's kingdom in the 1000 years being 'overun by billions' I suppose you should clarify

Christ reigning over all mankind does not mean that they are all loyal. It does not mean that they are all submitted to Him.

It means He will be the dictator, the government. It does not mean what we have today.

In any kingdom there are always many who do not accept the rule of the king. That does not negate the king's authority or power.

No comparison to His coming kingdom. No weapons allowed. They beat their swords into farm instruments. No false teachings or wars or murders or etc etc etc allowed period. NOTHING like today