Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[WPM]

Did I say there were racial favors? Take the requite time to understand.

Yes you did. That what you are promoting. There is no ethnic favor today as you suggest.

 

[WPM]

So did I.

You are quoting OT Scripture and trying to take us back there.

 

[CadyandZoe]

To convince them that their New Covenant "has never happened".

Wouldn't you want to share your truth with them?

Sorry, I'm just not following you.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea...

That's the nation.

...a remnant shall be saved:

That's the remnant.

Both exist concurrently.

As they exist concurrently here:

Romans 11
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

They continue to exist concurrently today, and will continue to exist concurrently until Christ returns.

Israel exists today in the land of Palestine. Some of them fear the Lord. Others are arrogantly evil.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are quoting OT Scripture and trying to take us back there.

You mentioned to Old Covenant. I didn't.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes you did. That what you are promoting. There is no ethnic favor today as you suggest.

Jacob I loved; Esau I hated.

 

[covenantee]

Sorry, I'm just not following you.

So then leave it for those are.

 

[covenantee]

Israel exists today in the land of Palestine. Some of them fear the Lord. Others are arrogantly evil.

Yes, some are the faithful believing remnant in Christ.

Most are not.

 

[WPM]

You mentioned to Old Covenant. I didn't.

It is not just that. You are trying to take us back to that arrangement of racial distinction and favor. That wall has been broken down by the cross.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes, some are the faithful believing remnant in Christ.

Most are not.

The point is, one day God will save the nation of Israel.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is not just that. You are trying to take us back to that arrangement of racial distinction and favor. That wall has been broken down by the cross.

That isn't true. I am not taking us back to anything. I have proven to you that God has always kept the family of Jacob to be a people for himself. He has never rescinded that.

 

[covenantee]

The point is, one day God will save the nation of Israel.

He will save the remnant (Romans 9:27) and no others.

 

[WPM]

I disagree. In Romans 3, Paul argues that the unfaithfulness of Israel will not nullify the faithfulness of God. In Romans 11, Paul argues that Israel did not stumble so as to fall when she put the Messiah to death. With regard to the ethnic physical nation today, he has kept for himself a remnant, while hardening the others. Finally, Paul asserts that the gifts and he calling of God are irrevocable.

I agree with you here.

I disagree with you here. The Bible does not teach that the NT Church is true Israel. God is dedicated to both the Israel of God and the New Testament church.

Hello! We have entered the new covenant. The old is gone forever. Race means nothing today. It is all about grace. The Gospel is open equally to Jews and Gentiles alike. There is no racial favoritism any more. Thank God!

• We have moved from the old to the new covenant. The rules have therefore changed.
• We are not going back to racial favor.
• People who reject Christ are not God's chosen or His children, they are children of the devil.

The only way your arguments are sustained are by removing the whole New Testament teaching on this subject from off the table.

There has only ever been one people of God. We have been grafted into faithful Israel. You are trying to make 2 out of 1, when Scriptures clearly make 1 out of 2. I prefer Scripture to your theories.

Romans 2:25 tells us: “if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.”

Romans 2:28-29 plainly states, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh.”

Paul explains in Romans 9:8: “they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

Romans 10:12 states: “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”

I Corinthians 7:17 declares, “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing"

Colossians 3:11 declares, “there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Galatians 5:2 declares, “if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing."

Galatians 5:5 declares, "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Galatians 6:15 reinforces that, saying, “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.”

Race means nothing any more – forever, it is all of grace. Being natural means nothing when it comes to salvation. That is a myth that conflicts with New Testament teaching.

The fact is, there is (and only has been) one people of God from the beginning. Whilst they were largely found within the nation of Israel before the cross, that was broadened out after the cross to embrace all nations. Race means nothing under the new covenant. The New Testament outlines clearly and repeatedly that "there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He will save the remnant (Romans 9:27) and no others.

Did I say otherwise?

 

[WPM]

That isn't true. I am not taking us back to anything. I have proven to you that God has always kept the family of Jacob to be a people for himself. He has never rescinded that.

That special favor finished with the termination of the old covenant.

 

[covenantee]

Did I say otherwise?

Yes. The nation is not the remnant.

 

[covenantee]

That isn't true. I am not taking us back to anything. I have proven to you that God has always kept the family of Jacob to be a people for himself. He has never rescinded that.

He has kept faithful obedient Israelites irrespective of their families.

He has slain unfaithful disobedient Israelites irrespective of their families.

God is not a racist.

Nor can He be contorted into one.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Hello! We have entered the new covenant. The old is gone forever. Race means nothing today.

I agree that the New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant. But it isn't true that God has abandoned his people Israel.

It is all about grace. The Gospel is open equally to Jews and Gentiles alike.

I agree.

There is no racial favoritism any more.

I disagree for the reasons I have already given. God chose a family to be his people. Deuteronomy 7:6

Thank God!

• We have moved from the old to the new covenant. The rules have therefore changed.
• We are not going back to racial favor.
• People who reject Christ are not God's chosen or His children, they are children of the devil.

God chose Israel before Christ and according to the Apostle Paul, God has not rejected them.

The only way your arguments are sustained are by removing the whole New Testament teaching on this subject from off the table.

This is not true.

There has only ever been one people of God. We have been grafted into faithful Israel.

Paul says the Gentiles have been grafted to the root of the Olive Tree. Contrary to your assertion, he does not specify that Israel is the Olive Tree. What does the Olive Tree represent?

Romans 11:28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;​

The Holy Olive Tree represents the fathers: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the promise God made to these men. The basis on which the Gentiles are grafted to them is God's promise to Abraham, "n you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

We are not grafted onto Israel. We are grafted onto God's promise to bless Abraham.

Race means nothing any more – forever, it is all of grace.

God is faithful. Therefore race does matter.

Being natural means nothing when it comes to salvation.

This isn't true. Paul asserts that Salvation BELONGS to his kinsmen of the flesh. Romans 9:4.

Race means nothing under the new covenant. The New Testament outlines clearly and repeatedly that "there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles.

I agree with Paul's assertion that "In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile." He eliminates the distinction regarding individual election, but he does not suggest that God has removed the national distinction. He spends 3 whole chapters arguing that God has not abandoned natural Israel.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes. The nation is not the remnant.

That isn't true. Paul speaks about a remnant of the Jewish people.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He has kept faithful obedient Israelites irrespective of their families.

This is not true. Israelites are born from a single family.

He has slain unfaithful disobedient Israelites irrespective of their families.

So what?