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Matthias

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When was the last time you killed someone?

Old man, lay down your weapon and surrender to Messiah Jesus. Those who live by the sword / gun perish by the sword / gun. Put down your sword / gun and live, even if you die.
 

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“War does not determine who is right - only who is left.” - Bertrand Russell
 

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I studied it in a military science class. Thank God.

It’s a doctrine alright, but it’s not a Christian doctrine. It’s a doctrine of the world.
 

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“Don’t fight fire with fire. Fight fire with the living water that Messiah offers and provides.” - me
 

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Dehumanizing is the key to desensitizing, to searing, the conscience.
 

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You asked your question about an unrelated hypothetical circumstance in response to my question about clergy in the military being armed and killing their enemies. He may or may not respond to my question. Will you?
I had you on ignore so I didn't notice your post. I normally have people on ignore who do not believe in the deity or Godhood of Jesus Christ. It may have been a different reason.

Anyway ...I wanted to see where you stood on protecting your wife and children from harm. Simple question.

As far as military ...I suppose it depends. Most of the wars our nation has engaged in have been for reasons of greed and not protecting our safety. It may come down to men AND women being forced into the military now ....which is just evil. The powers that be want to bring down the US, and all these "wars" and threats/rumors of wars is a means to that end. The military as it is and has been for a long time ....is a tool for terrorism.

Soap box, sorry....
 

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I had you on ignore so I didn't notice your post. I normally have people on ignore who do not believe in the deity or Godhood of Jesus Christ. It may have been a different reason.

Anyway ...I wanted to see where you stood on protecting your wife and children from harm. Simple question.

I would defend my wife and children from harm without resorting to lethal violence.

As far as military ...I suppose it depends. Most of the wars our nation has engaged in have been for reasons of greed and not protecting our safety. It may come down to men AND women being forced into the military now ....which is just evil. The powers that be want to bring down the US, and all these "wars" and threats/rumors of wars is a means to that end. The military as it is and has been for a long time ....is a tool for terrorism.

Soap box, sorry....
 

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I’m a child of God. If someone was murdering me in his presence, would God and Jesus do absolutely nothing?

“Now when they heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at him. But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said, ‘Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.’ But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!’ Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, ‘Lord, do not hold this sin against them!’ Having said this, he fell asleep.”

(Acts 7:54-60, NASB)
What does God require of YOU where your family is concerned?
 

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What does God require of YOU where your family is concerned?

God requires me to love them and provide for their needs.

What do YOU expect God to do where your family is concerned?

”You seek from the Almighty, - seek something great.” - Augustine

 
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God says that if we dont provide for our family, we are worse then an "infidel"...

"Provide for", also means to keep them safe, .. to protect them from Harm.

And the reality is... throwing a KJV Bible at armed gunmen who are not invited into your home at 3am, because your wife is pretty and your daughters are also, is not going to keep them from Harm.
And asking them to "kneel and Pray" is not going to have the desired effect.

But there is a way, and its Legal if you do it right, to put a stop to their EVIL... and you must do it.
You must stop them.... Reader.
Amen!! As a mother who was often in a position that required standing for my children where my husband refused .... I'd say, if I don't put myself in danger for their sakes, I don't truly love them!!

John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

And I'll say right now that I have suffered persecution and continue to suffer persecution because I have come out of the intended purpose that the cult (I was born into) had planned for me. And they threaten my loved ones as well.

I do pray for them. But I pray that God will use me if need be to bring them to repentance, to Christ ...but if they will not turn, that He will remove them however He sees fit. That does NOT mean that I willingly place myself in danger, nor does it mean that I would not place myself between them and my loved ones, or use force if they were asserting themselves against my loved ones. (Stating these things for the benefit if @Matthias.)

I've never had anyone stand up for me and protect me. And honestly, I have zero respect for a male who calls themselves a man who excuses themselves from the responsibility to protect their wife, children, or loved ones. That was Adam's downfall too. He didn't keep the garden. He allowed the serpent (satan) into the garden and stood by while she was deceived.
 

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God requires me to love them and provide for their needs.

What do YOU expect God to do where your family is concerned?

”You seek from the Almighty, - seek something great.” - Augustine

Love involves this ....and does not exclude it. Are you willing to lay down your life FOR your friends, or loved ones? Jesus said this ...

John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

 

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Love involves this ....and does not exclude it. Are you willing to lay down your life FOR your friends, or loved ones? Jesus said this ...

John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Yes, and I would do it without killing anyone. Would YOU?
 

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Yes, and I would do it without killing anyone. Would YOU?
I have.... and have done it to the point where they were afraid of me. And yet, I have also suffered harm for my refusal to do what they want ...with no man to stand for me. BUT GOD.

Now, tell me ....how would you do it without killing anyone?
 

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You’re still alive.



How did you?
Yes, I am ....and that does not negate the fact that God requires certain things of men and women.
I told the man who was coming to my daughter's window at night to take her and force/use her that he'd better not show up again because I'd be waiting for him with a gun ... that's what I did. I wouldn't think twice about aiming right between his legs. That would give him time to cry out to Jesus.
 
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Yes, I am ....and that does not negate the fact that God requires certain things of men and women.
I told the man who was coming to my daughter's window at night to take her and force/use her that he'd better not show up again because I'd be waiting for him with a gun ... that's what I did. I wouldn't think twice about aiming right between his legs. That would give him time to cry out to Jesus.

I would do the same, but probably without saying that I would be waiting for him with a gun next time.

You’ve demonstrated my point in real time.
 
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I would do the same, but probably without saying that I would be waiting for him with a gun next time.

You’ve demonstrated my point in real time.
Depending on the circumstances, I have done both ...because that wasn't the first, nor the last time I have had to stand up for, protect, or place myself between my children and an aggressor. In fact, I have had to place myself between an aggressor and a grown man who should have done so for me. :(
 

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Depending on the circumstances, I have done both ...because that wasn't the first, nor the last time I have had to stand up for, protect, or place myself between my children and an aggressor.

How many have you killed?