How do you reconcile "the gates of Hell will NOT prevail" with Satan supposedly taking most of mankind to Hell with him?

[Eternally Grateful]

Who created hell?

who was it created for?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How about this?

The U.S. Navy remains on location waiting for those who rejected their help to come to their senses and, eventually, all choose to go to the boats.

That's what Jesus does. He waits. That's why Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that Jesus MUST rule until ALL of his "enemies" are "under his feet". In other words, the U.S. Navy must remain on location until ALL of those in the water have gotten into the boats.

Jesus will not force you against your will

Those who are delivered to Christ for judgment, WILL be sent to the lake of fire. that is the second (and final death)

hey believe me, it would be great if you were right. I would go out and have fun the rest of my life. and sin it up

but its not true..

 

[ScottA]

I think you and I agreed to disagree and moved on.

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I am not here to agree or disagree. This is a time of correction and the revealing of the whole mystery of God unto all truth. There is no debating.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

St. SteVen said:
Has everyone had the opportunity? (throughout history)

It says that a creator is revealed in creation. There is no excuse to deny this fact.
Which has nothing to do with my question. You used the standard bogus apologetic.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, [l]sexual immorality, wickedness, [m]covetousness, [n]maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 [o]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, [p]unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, not everybody has been permitted to hear, let alone believe, in the word of God and in Jesus. I believe that, for most, they will not know Jesus until they pass away and are greeted by him and that they will immediately embrace him. The truly wicked, however, will have a different experience, or so I believe.

No one gets a pass,

everyone comes to God consciousness, It is how they respond to that.

People have come to christ who never even heard of him, We have example after example of missionaries who went into uncharted land, and when they Got their the people said God would send them

God prepairs the hearts of those who WILL repent. Those he knows will never repent. He has no obligation to send his children into that area to teach them what they will hear

 

[Patrick1966]

Jesus will not force you against your will

Correct, and that's why he patiently waits. He wouldn't need to wait if he was simply sending them off to spend forever in a Nazi-style torture chamber. He waits for them to repent and go to him. Jesus heals. Sometimes the healing process is unpleasant but it's ultimately corrective and rehabilitative in nature. Jesus saves. He is the Savior of ALL people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct, and that's why he patiently waits. He wouldn't need to wait if he was simply sending them off to spend forever in a Nazi-style torture chamber. He waits for them to repent and go to him. Jesus heals. Sometimes the healing process is unpleasant but it's ultimately corrective and rehabilitative in nature. Jesus saves. He is the Savior of ALL people.

He only waits for so long..

He said there will come a day when he will let lose fury on this earth. and put an end to evil.. Those who reject him, he will kill. the bodies will be so vast the birds will feast on them for a year.

Those people will not get a second chance it is over for them

 

[Patrick1966]

No one gets a pass,

everyone comes to God consciousness, It is how they respond to that.

People have come to christ who never even heard of him, We have example after example of missionaries who went into uncharted land, and when they Got their the people said God would send them

God prepairs the hearts of those who WILL repent. Those he knows will never repent. He has no obligation to send his children into that area to teach them what they will hear

Ok. I gotta run. May God bless us all my brother! No hard feelings!

 

[St. SteVen]

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, [l]sexual immorality, wickedness, [m]covetousness, [n]maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 [o]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, [p]unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

So... at least half the people attending church these days?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So... at least half the people attending church these days?

and the rest of the world. who reject God.

 

[Raccoon1010]

There are the fallen angels chained in hell, and certainly some demons. But there are still demons roaming the earth. I expect that guardian angels are responsible for protecting defenseless humans against direct attack from the demons.

But when someone sins in such a way as to submit to the demon, the guardian angel is limited on how much they may interfere in accordance with some unclear set of rules.

I don't know, I know spirit prison awaits souls that won't come around and commit crimes against others and also deny Christ.

And I don't believe Satan has any rights here against humans. He was cast out of heaven because he is an accuser. But does he have the right to judge or accuse? Certainly not. So I would tend to think angels and God defend people against their unrighteous attempts at dominion.

People on the other hand, when they perpetrate crimes against mankind sometimes get Gods wrath. I've seen it myself.

 

[ScottA]

A lot of scriptures states it. Here's one.

1 Timothy 4:10 ESV
“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. . . ”

You are violating context against many other scriptures that say just the opposite.

Again, you are not reconciling all scripture, simply to support your own doctrine and desire. But it is not bad to have such a desire--even God has that same desire...but He also states that all are not saved and some perish, and these things you have rejected.

 

[ScottA]

Has everyone had the opportunity? (throughout history)

Yes, it is written "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." Romans 1:20

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's my interpretation pretty much.

Well we are not entitled to have our own interpretation! IN Peter we are told Scripture is not of any persons "opinion". We must accept as written according to the rules of Grammar God created so we can under4stand each other correctly.

Jesus sspecifically referred to teh church when He said the gates of hell will not prevail.

 

[ScottA]

How about this?
The U.S. Navy remains on location waiting for those who rejected their help to come to their senses and, eventually, all choose to go to the boats.
That's what Jesus does. He waits. That's why Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that Jesus MUST rule until ALL of his "enemies" are "under his feet". In other words, the U.S. Navy must remain on location until ALL of those in the water have gotten into the boats.

And about this:

So the Lord God said to the serpent:​

​

“Because you have done this,​

You are cursed more than all cattle,​

And more than every beast of the field;​

On your belly you shall go,​

And you shall eat dust​

All the days of your life.​

15 And I will put enmity​

Between you and the woman,​

And between your seed and her Seed;​

He shall bruise your head,​

And you shall bruise His heel.”​

Again you forget who the enemy is, and his fate, and those who are his.

 

[Patrick1966]

Again you forget who the enemy is, and his fate, and those of those who are his.

Satan is doing exactly what God intended him to do.

 

[Patrick1966]

You are violating context against many other scriptures that say just the opposite.

Bad translations result in Bibles that contradict themselves. That's the problem with the KJV and most other English Bible translations and that's why you and many others believe in forever punishment. Properly translated versions don't contradict themselves.

 

[St. SteVen]

and the rest of the world. who reject God.

I think we mistake, or redirect, the rejection of the institutional church as the rejection of God.

Most of those who have left the church tell me they still believe in God.
And many times, that is what led them away from the institutional church.

They still accept God but aren't ready to be institutionalized again. - LOL

@Nancy (thought you might like this, and/or have an awesome comment)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think we mistake, or redirect, the rejection of the institutional church as the rejection of God.

Most of those who have left the church tell me they still believe in God.
And many times, that is what led them away from the institutional church.

They still accept God but aren't ready to be institutionalized again. - LOL

@Nancy (thought you might like this, and/or have an awesome comment)

they reject the institutional church.. which many are. Not God.. thats the point I did the same at one time

 

[bluedragon]

Hell is death. Jesus was saying that Death will not prevail. But, most Christians are taught (and believe) that the majority (vast majority) of people are going to "eternal" damnation.

Of course, that is a false doctrine taught by Christian leaders that lack discernment and understanding.

The Gates of Hell will NOT prevail because, in the end, Jesus will defeat death and then ALL people who have ever lived will be "under his feet" and then ALL will be given to God the Father, according to 1 Corinthians 15.

There are far more atheists than there are believers. Just take a walk at a local University or better yet Washington DC.