HERESY?

[GodsGrace]

As you said, the problem is with us. One of my favourite hymns is "Follow, follow, I will follow Jesus..."

I agree with you Cooper.
I think I know what you mean.
So many teachings, so much dogma.
We read and discuss the bible and infinitum,,,
Mostly what paul and the others wrote

But we don't discuss those words in the color red too much .

Jesus was very clear in what He said and that is really all we should be concerned with.

 

[GodsGrace]

And Jesus taught everyone how to serve the true God-John 4:22-24--The FATHER is searching for ones to worship him in spirit and truth. The real Jesus pointed his followers to his Father. Like he said-No one comes to the Father except through me. The Father is the destination.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, although I don't know you enough to be sure of what your meaning is...

However, if Father is the destination, why does Jesus state that the Father will give the saved to Jesus?
John 6:37-39

 

[Cooper]

And Jesus taught everyone how to serve the true God-John 4:22-24--The FATHER is searching for ones to worship him in spirit and truth. The real Jesus pointed his followers to his Father. Like he said-No one comes to the Father except through me. The Father is the destination.

I don't know about you, but I am a Father and a Son, and the wonder of it is, the Son came before the Father
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[Cooper]

And Jesus taught everyone how to serve the true God-John 4:22-24--The FATHER is searching for ones to worship him in spirit and truth. The real Jesus pointed his followers to his Father. Like he said-No one comes to the Father except through me. The Father is the destination.

The mystery of the Trinity is that the One God became flesh, and came down from heaven.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13 KJV)
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[Taken]

Not sure where this should be...
the study of God seemed appropriate (maybe).

Every denomination has some teaching or doctrine that we would not agree with.

How would you explain the difference between an
incorrect teaching
and
a heretical teaching...?

IOW,,,when does an incorrect teaching become heretical?

Thanks.

HERESY...not complicated.

Standing Faith IN the Creator.
Or Heresy OF;
Standing Faith UPON the Created.

 

[Keiw]

That is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Jesus said his followers would be hated. They are no part of this world. Its not to hard to see.

 

[Keiw]

Name a modern teacher that teaches perfect truth...like Paul etc taught.

At the proper time means when God wills a truth to be known. Bad teachings started getting in after Jesus died. In the book of Peter, Titus was left behind to correct error teachings. All can see who makes correction, and has made correction because truth is what they want.

 

[Keiw]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, although I don't know you enough to be sure of what your meaning is...

However, if Father is the destination, why does Jesus state that the Father will give the saved to Jesus?
John 6:37-39

The Father sends one to Jesus to start with. Those who learn Jesus truth and obey him, those Jesus sends to his Father.
In the verses you shared you see Jesus telling all The Father sent him. And at John 17:1-6,26- a prayer to his Father Jesus tells all-the one who sent him is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)--

 

[Keiw]

I don't know about you, but I am a Father and a Son, and the wonder of it is, the Son came before the Father
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No the son did not come before the Father. You arent your Father. You might be his image as Jesus was his Fathers image. Coll 1:15

 

[Keiw]

The mystery of the Trinity is that the One God became flesh, and came down from heaven.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13 KJV)
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Right no one who died before Jesus went to heaven( Gods dwelling place), not Elijah nor Enoch as some blind guides teach they did.
Your teaching is that God is made up of 3. The Father was in heaven, the holy spirit descended from heaven at Jesus baptism. Jesus was sent by God. John 6:37-39--The Father sent Jesus, Jesus teaches, and further on at John 17:1-6,26--Jesus teaches-The one who sent him is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah) proving 100% no trinity exists. Jesus did not lie.

 

[Taken]

The mystery of the Trinity is that the One God became flesh, and came down from heaven.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13 KJV)
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The Mystery of God “should be” focused on, Acceptance of, His omnipresence...
Every place at once, CALLED BY whatever Name, Title, Description God Himself Decrees.

 

[Taken]

No the son did not come before the Father. You arent your Father. You might be his image as Jesus was his Fathers image. Coll 1:15

“THE” Father and “THE” Son....ARE One. No Beginning, No Ending.
No debate necessary According to Carnal thinking of human father / son relationships.

 

[Behold]

“THE” Father and “THE” Son....ARE One.

Use this verse to prove your point.

John 10:

30 : I and my Father are one.

The use this next verse to prove what you are dealing with... as its the same spirit in a person who wants to argue that "the bible is just a book, man made, like a phone book"... and also those who want to screech that "you can lose your salvations."...find all those here...:

31: Then the Jews (unbelievers) took up stones again to stone him.

 

[Keiw]

“THE” Father and “THE” Son....ARE One. No Beginning, No Ending.
No debate necessary According to Carnal thinking of human father / son relationships.

Not what Jesus teaches. Why do you refuse to believe him, and yet claim to be his follower? Jesus is the way--not errors in translations that contradict him.

 

[Jim B]

Not what Jesus teaches. Why do you refuse to believe him, and yet claim to be his follower? Jesus is the way--not errors in translations that contradict him.

John 10:30, " The Father and I are one.” Why do you refuse to believe him, and yet claim to be his follower?

 

[Keiw]

John 10:30, " The Father and I are one.” Why do you refuse to believe him, and yet claim to be his follower?

They are one in purpose-John 5:30, Collosians 1:15-- He also said-The Father is greater than i.

 

[Keiw]

“THE” Father and “THE” Son....ARE One. No Beginning, No Ending.
No debate necessary According to Carnal thinking of human father / son relationships.

Here is Gods master worker ( Jesus) speaking at Proverbs 8--tells all he was created, Collosians 1:15-The FIRSTBORN of all creation--talking about the beginning creation= 0 doubt. At Psalm 82 Jesus is speaking, in verse 8 he asks God to judge the earth proving he is not God. Psalm 110--( LORD)YHWH( Jehovah) said to my Lord( Jesus) proving he is not YHWH( Jehovah)

 

[Taken]

Not what Jesus teaches. Why do you refuse to believe him, and yet claim to be his follower?

The Father and the Son....are ONE....is precisely what Jesus taught!

John 10:30 “I” and “MY” Father are ONE.

Jesus is the way--not errors in translations that contradict him.

Your accusation is foiled!

 

[Cooper]

Not what Jesus teaches. Why do you refuse to believe him, and yet claim to be his follower? Jesus is the way--not errors in translations that contradict him.

Jesus said, "I and the Father are One." John 10:30.
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[Cooper]

Right no one who died before Jesus went to heaven( Gods dwelling place), not Elijah nor Enoch as some blind guides teach they did.
Your teaching is that God is made up of 3. The Father was in heaven, the holy spirit descended from heaven at Jesus baptism. Jesus was sent by God. John 6:37-39--The Father sent Jesus, Jesus teaches, and further on at John 17:1-6,26--Jesus teaches-The one who sent him is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah) proving 100% no trinity exists. Jesus did not lie.

You misunderstand. There is only ONE omnipresent God. By the way, magnetism is omnipresent also, and like God is invisible, but is always there and reveals itself in numerous ways. I cannot see the magnetism in my compass, but I can see the presence of magnetism revealed by it's works, and in that way the invisible is made visible the same as the invisible God made visible in Jesus. They are One. God in Christ. God with us. See Hebrews 1:3.
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