For those who think Christ is not God.

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Is Christ God?

  • God

    Votes: 32 78.0%
  • Lesser than God

    Votes: 7 17.1%
  • A mere Son/Man of God.

    Votes: 2 4.9%

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Johann

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He was not God until the Col 2:9 effect happened to him, bodily, after his God raised him from the dead.

There He was transfigured before them. - His - face shone like the sun, and His - clothes became as white as the light. 3 Suddenly - Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus. 4 - - Peter - said - to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters—1 one for You, - one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While Peter was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and - a voice from the cloud said, “This is My - beloved - Son, in whom I am well pleased.2 Listen to Him!” 6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown - - - - in terror. 7 Then - Jesus came over and touched them. “Get up,” He said. “ - Do not be afraid.” 8 And when they looked up - -, they saw no one except - - Jesus. 9 As they were coming down - the mountain, - Jesus commanded them, “Do not tell anyone - about this vision until - the Son - of Man has been raised from the dead.” 10 - The disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 - - - Jesus replied, “Elijah does indeed come, and he will restore all things. 12 But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and - they did not recognize him, but have done to him whatever they wished. In the same way, the Son - of Man will suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.


Mat 17:2. Μετεμορφ.] was transfigured, in the way about to be described. That is to say, His external aspect was changed (“non substantialis, sed accidentalis fuit transformatio,” Calovius); His face gleaming like the sun, and His raiment being so white that it shone like light. He appeared in outward heavenly δόξα, which μεγαλειότης (2Pe 1:16) was the foreshadowing of His future glorified state (Joh 12:16; Joh 12:23; Joh 17:5; Joh 21:24; 2Co 3:18; Mat 13:43). The analogy presented by Exo 34:29 comes short in this respect, that, whereas the brightness on the face of Moses was the result of God’s having appeared before him, in the case of Christ it proceeded from His own divine nature and life, the δόξα of which radiated from within.
ὡς τὸ φῶς] The aspect of it, therefore, was luminous, radiant.
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Proof to you? Truth is not subjective.

We all know why you cannot cite the verse that says you have to believe Jesus is God to be saved; it does not exist.

I have never, ever, made that claim.

Then what is the theological significance of violating the 1C, of holding that Jesus is God?

God looks into our hearts.

Meaning what, salvation independent of Jesus? Then why did he have to die on the cross?
 

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Then what is the theological significance of violating the 1C, of holding that Jesus is God?



Meaning what, salvation independent of Jesus? Then why did he have to die on the cross?
Your questions are not worthy of an answer.
 

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Your questions are not worthy of an answer.
They are the only questions worth answering in this thread! I think the importance of Jesus NOT being God cannot be over-stated from a theological perspective. You don' think its worthy to even answer the theological importance of Jesus being God! Good grief sister.
 
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So, when he spoke of his God, it was actually God's human nature acting like an individual with a God?


The one born in Bethlehem’s manger was “the mighty God” (<230906>Isaiah
9:6), “Immanuel” (<400123>Matthew 1:23), “the great God and our Savior”

Uh, that's what the Scriptures is trying to say..
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4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

και μετεμορφωθη εμπροσθεν αυτων και ελαμψε το προσωπον αυτου ως ο ηλιος τα δε ιματια αυτου εγενετο λευκα ως το φως
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They are the only questions worth answering in this thread! I think the importance of Jesus NOT being God cannot be over-stated from a theological perspective. You don' think its worthy to even answer the theological importance of Jesus being God! Good grief sister.
So what about Jesus being the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end? What about him being the Everlasting Father? What about him being Immanuel - god with us?
 

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That's not true because 'you' are not comprised of an unfertilized ova.
I didn't understand the question. I didn't know what it had to do with Jesus being God.
 

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How many worlds do you know of?
John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
Jesus here identified the Jews of his time as the world.. would you agree.
 
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So what about Jesus being the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end? What about him being the Everlasting Father? What about him being Immanuel - god with us?
Immanuel - god with us?

Don't forget...

Isa 9:6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Everlasting Father), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).
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John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
Jesus here identified the Jews of his time as the world.. would you agree.
No idea what your point is.
 

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Don't forget...

Isa 9:6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Everlasting Father), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).
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Yes I quoted that passage a while back. But to a non believer it mans nothing.
 

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So what about Jesus being the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end? What about him being the Everlasting Father? What about him being Immanuel - god with us?

What about these points? Isaiah said I am the first and the last. This is what prophets do, speak for God. It does not make them God.

Not sure why are you connecting the OT verse of God with us to Jesus? Are all Immanuel’s God or just that one and why? HINT: Saying ‘God is with us’ is NOT the same as ‘is God.’

Sadly, you have not answered my question on the theological significance violating the 1C, of believing Jesus is God.